Does Anybody Believe George Sexually Abused Casey? POLL ADDED

[WillenFan21]

No I don't believe it. However I am watching TruTV right now and there is a defense lawyer that is on there. The lawyer was just saying that she thinks the defense they chose is a perfect explanation for 31 days. She also said that she had a case where a victim was molested by her father since she was 3 years old that she too would act like nothing was wrong. She said she found out halfway into the case that her client was molested by her father. She said it is typical for incest victims to act as if nothing is wrong therefore thinks the defense chosen was perfect.

 

[athy]

sorry, haven't read all 6 pages so don't know if this was brought up. i'm not sure GA sexually abused ICA. but i do remember near the beginning on one of the tapes from the jail they were talking about her seeing a psychitrist and ICA said, "don't worry i haven't told them anything". i can't help but think this family is totally dysfunctional, just not sure to what extent.

 

[lyrasong]

as a sexual abuse survivor it pisses me off that someone who claim these horrible things.

survivor here, too, and in agreement 100%. It would not surprise me if she was abused by someone, but I don't believe it was George or Lee. That family is dysfunctional, though, but there are many reasons for dysfunction.

 

[Jolynna]

I do not know whether any sexual abuse happened because ICA lies and so does George. As there are other reasons people disassociate (like they are cheating, stealing or doing something else they are trying to hide) BESIDES a history of sexual abuse, ICA's behavior doesn't establish anything as fact.

I ABSOLUTELY, do not believe George was with ICA and found Caylee's body on June 16. That is not consistent with him continuing to use the Henkel tape on his gas cans or him using Henkel tape to hang up Missing Caylee posters. The story that George would do that to FRAME ICA is ridiculous! George would send KC to Death Row before he would admit Caylee died in an accident that was caused by ICA not watching her? No way!

Nothing about the evidence supports anyone but ICA knowing Caylee was gone on June 16. The way Caylee's remains were disposed is pure ICA.

If ICA would lie about that now, with her LIFE on the line, that makes the her sexual abuse claims less credible. I am sick that ICA cannot own up to ANYTHING (she even made not calling 911 George's fault) and that she would throw innocents under the bus to make herself look better even when she doesn't need to.

She is a sociopath to the core, in my opinion, without a single redeeming quality.

 

[Cowboy Fan]

No, don't believe it. Such a shame that ICA would try to destroy her own father and brother this way to try to save herself.

 

[gitana1]

sorry, haven't read all 6 pages so don't know if this was brought up. i'm not sure GA sexually abused ICA. but i do remember near the beginning on one of the tapes from the jail they were talking about her seeing a psychitrist and ICA said, "don't worry i haven't told them anything". i can't help but think this family is totally dysfunctional, just not sure to what extent.

casey was also told repeatedly not to say anything to incriminate herself. Her parents knew that and were trying to protect her at the time.

Another thing, when casey heard the narrative from JB about how she, the poor victim, was forced to go to school with a smile after performing sex acts on her dad, she bawled at the sad story of poor casey the victim.

But, when her dad was on the stand denying this lie, casey did not cry. She did not look upset. She did not meet his gaze with a pleading look or with incredulity. Instead, she did the same negating head shake, "no", that she did during the state's opening even when the state was saying things we know the evidence proves! So when she shook her head no as to her dad's denial, to me, it was a lie, the same lie as when she shook her head "no" to statements about her stealing, or lying to LE, or whatever.

I think GA was the only family member who ever tried to put his foot down and call casey to account. I think he might have gotten physical with her in anger at times, when he caught her in lies or other bad behavior, until her mom stopped him from daring to step in and discipline case. And I think casey remembers that, resented that and thus I think it is somewhat easy for her to accuse her poor dad.

 

[Wisteria]

I don't believe it. I do believe that she is a cold hearted liar, willing to ruin anyone she can to save herself from the needle.
She proved that she had no other defense than an accident. She needs someone else to be there so it is not just her word. This crazy story makes no sense. And therefore, I do not believe anything she says. At all.

 

[santos1014]

I do not believe it, but defense team is counting on those 2 magic little words....REASONABLE DOUBT. I am counting on the fact that they will recall George's breakdown when he was suicidal, and say that he could not deal with what HE had done...such BS.

All it takes is one, just one juror to fall for this..

 

[tiredofthis]

Even if the abuse did happen it is not an excuse for murder.

 

[capoly]

No, do not believe. Does anyone know if that was a photo of Caylee that George placed on stand's edge when he took the stand? He placed something and (to me) it looked like he gave a nod to it....was thinking it may have been Caylee's photo.

 

[missm]

Here's what I know for sure, speaking from personal experience.

There are some very common threads running through families where abuse takes place- specificially sexual abuse. This type of abuse in particular is like a mold that grows in secrecy in families that operate on a foundation of denial. The pattern in families where this type of incestuous abuse most commonly takes place many times has a primary care figure (usually female) that is highly controlling & critical coupled with a secondary caregiver (typically male) that is domineered and the brunt of the other spouse's insults and callous behavior. The marital relationship usually lacks a sexual connection, and very typically there is another form of addiction present (alcohol, drugs, gambling) present that shadows the denial/abuse dynamic. The entire equilibrium of the family is off, because the family itself is built on a foundation on sickness. Like a hanging mobile, when one family member acts out, all the others have to re-adjust to make the entire group balance.

The abuse is as much about power over someone as it is about sexual gratification. It is an outlet for the henpecked and ridiculed spouse to exert a bit of power in the family, in addition to making up for the lack of physical contact & intimacy in the marriage. When we see how controlling CA is, and how GA dances to her every tune and instruction, and also the fact that we know he had a gambling problem and was trolling online for escorts... I believe all of that speaks for itself.

I am an abuse survivor, and I know so much of this from my own experience and from the experience of other sexual abuse survivors, and also from the things I have learned through healing with excellent therapists over the course of many years. Do I think it is plausible that ICA suffered sexual abuse at the hands of her father? Knowing what we know of her family dynamics, her relationships within her family, her behavior, lying and promiscuity... Yes, I would say it sounds very plausible.

Do I think that any of the above matters one iota in the fact that she murdered her own baby daughter? NO, I do not. Not a chance.

There are tens of thousands of people like myself who have survived abuse by people who were supposed to be figures of love, care & trust. If anything, it makes you hyper-viligant and sensitive like radar to others who may have that one sad thing in common with you. The last thing it does is make you murder your own child. If anything, it makes you a more aware and cautious parent who would NEVER, EVER let your child suffer at the hands of ANY other human being, least of all your own!

The fact that the DT is using this as an excuse for why the inmate murdered her own helpless daughter is a disgusting farce and a slap in the face to sexual abuse survivors everywhere.

uke:uke:uke:

 

[Velouria]

Even if the abuse did happen it is not an excuse for murder.

If she had murdered GEORGE when he tried to assault her again, then I might buy this as a defense. IF the allegations were proven to be true.

But she's accused of killing CAYLEE, her innocent, beautiful baby girl - not some child molester. :maddening: The whole cover-up story is beyond ridiculous - it's an insult to the intelligence of anyone with an IQ above room temperature.

 

[Elphaba]

I don't think he sexually abused her... and as much as I have disliked some of his actions in the last 3 years: right now I feel sorry for him because her accusations are going to haunt and follow him for the rest of his life. There will be people suspicious of him and hold it against him from here on out...

 

[txsvicki]

I know it's possible, but absolutely do not believe that he did it just based on what little we've known and seen of the family during a period of extremely high stress. The only person who has been said to have criminal and immoral behavior is Casey as an adult. There has so far not been one word of bizarre or criminal behavior coming from Casey as a child or young teen. The only thing was that she lied about walking the dog, and she might have even been talking very literally saying that it was not her dog. No way Jose do I believe a child will start being sexually molested at age 8. I think it would have begun in some form earlier. That is just probably the beginning age she was when George was home during the day when Cindy was at work. If it began at the older age of 8 she would have shown sexual acting out with other kids, at school, her grades would have been affected, tantrums, running away, expelled or suspensions from school, etc. Maybe they think an older child of 8 would be more controllable. There has to be a reason why they chose that age. Not one word about one thing of behavior of that nature has ever been reported. A few episodes of getting smacked and, or being yelled at by George probably did happen during her manipulations and other sociopathic behavior though, because George does have a reputation of being explosive and is very dramatic.

 

[crucibelle]

The whole family is a bunch of liars, so I don't know who to believe.

 

[crucibelle]

Here's what I know for sure, speaking from personal experience.

There are some very common threads running through families where abuse takes place- specificially sexual abuse. This type of abuse in particular is like a mold that grows in secrecy in families that operate on a foundation of denial. The pattern in families where this type of incestuous abuse most commonly takes place many times has a primary care figure (usually female) that is highly controlling & critical coupled with a secondary caregiver (typically male) that is domineered and the brunt of the other spouse's insults and callous behavior. The marital relationship usually lacks a sexual connection, and very typically there is another form of addiction present (alcohol, drugs, gambling) present that shadows the denial/abuse dynamic. The entire equilibrium of the family is off, because the family itself is built on a foundation on sickness. Like a hanging mobile, when one family member acts out, all the others have to re-adjust to make the entire group balance.

The abuse is as much about power over someone as it is about sexual gratification. It is an outlet for the henpecked and ridiculed spouse to exert a bit of power in the family, in addition to making up for the lack of physical contact & intimacy in the marriage. When we see how controlling CA is, and how GA dances to her every tune and instruction, and also the fact that we know he had a gambling problem and was trolling online for escorts... I believe all of that speaks for itself.

I am an abuse survivor, and I know so much of this from my own experience and from the experience of other sexual abuse survivors, and also from the things I have learned through healing with excellent therapists over the course of many years. Do I think it is plausible that ICA suffered sexual abuse at the hands of her father? Knowing what we know of her family dynamics, her relationships within her family, her behavior, lying and promiscuity... Yes, I would say it sounds very plausible.

Do I think that any of the above matters one iota in the fact that she murdered her own baby daughter? NO, I do not. Not a chance.

There are tens of thousands of people like myself who have survived abuse by people who were supposed to be figures of love, care & trust. If anything, it makes you hyper-viligant and sensitive like radar to others who may have that one sad thing in common with you. The last thing it does is make you murder your own child. If anything, it makes you a more aware and cautious parent who would NEVER, EVER let your child suffer at the hands of ANY other human being, least of all your own!

The fact that the DT is using this as an excuse for why the inmate murdered her own helpless daughter is a disgusting farce and a slap in the face to sexual abuse survivors everywhere.

uke:uke:uke:

BBM. Respectfully, I did not hear the DT blame a murder on Casey being abused. They said there was no murder, that it was an accident. What the DT is using the abuse as an excuse for, is the fact that ICA did not report an "accident". Not saying I believe the story, but to say the DT is blaming Caylee's murder on ICA's abuse is not accurate.

 

[SassyBenton]

Here's what I know for sure, speaking from personal experience.

There are some very common threads running through families where abuse takes place- specificially sexual abuse. This type of abuse in particular is like a mold that grows in secrecy in families that operate on a foundation of denial. The pattern in families where this type of incestuous abuse most commonly takes place many times has a primary care figure (usually female) that is highly controlling & critical coupled with a secondary caregiver (typically male) that is domineered and the brunt of the other spouse's insults and callous behavior. The marital relationship usually lacks a sexual connection, and very typically there is another form of addiction present (alcohol, drugs, gambling) present that shadows the denial/abuse dynamic. The entire equilibrium of the family is off, because the family itself is built on a foundation on sickness. Like a hanging mobile, when one family member acts out, all the others have to re-adjust to make the entire group balance.

The abuse is as much about power over someone as it is about sexual gratification. It is an outlet for the henpecked and ridiculed spouse to exert a bit of power in the family, in addition to making up for the lack of physical contact & intimacy in the marriage. When we see how controlling CA is, and how GA dances to her every tune and instruction, and also the fact that we know he had a gambling problem and was trolling online for escorts... I believe all of that speaks for itself.

I am an abuse survivor, and I know so much of this from my own experience and from the experience of other sexual abuse survivors, and also from the things I have learned through healing with excellent therapists over the course of many years. Do I think it is plausible that ICA suffered sexual abuse at the hands of her father? Knowing what we know of her family dynamics, her relationships within her family, her behavior, lying and promiscuity... Yes, I would say it sounds very plausible.

Do I think that any of the above matters one iota in the fact that she murdered her own baby daughter? NO, I do not. Not a chance.

There are tens of thousands of people like myself who have survived abuse by people who were supposed to be figures of love, care & trust. If anything, it makes you hyper-viligant and sensitive like radar to others who may have that one sad thing in common with you. The last thing it does is make you murder your own child. If anything, it makes you a more aware and cautious parent who would NEVER, EVER let your child suffer at the hands of ANY other human being, least of all your own!

The fact that the DT is using this as an excuse for why the inmate murdered her own helpless daughter is a disgusting farce and a slap in the face to sexual abuse survivors everywhere.

uke:uke:uke:

Excellent post!! :rocker:

It seems like people on here so badly want to believe she wasn’t abused and is just an evil person. I too am an abuse survivor and have thought for along time that Casey showed traits of someone who was sexually abused as a child. In some ways she reminds me of myself before I got counseling, very chaotic life, lots of lying, lots of boyfriends, never took responsibility for anything and blamed everyone else for stuff.

I am in no way making excuses for what I believe she did with Caylee. I don’t think being abused is an excuse and I believe she knew right from wrong, I am just saying that I think there is a possibility that she was sexually abused. I think this may be why she is now trying to say GA was involved with Caylee’s death, it’s her way of punishing GA for what he (may have) done to ICA as a child. Just my opinion….

 

[LinasK]

IF KC were not at the very end of the trial hallway staring into death row, I would have believed her. But the little girl has been crying wolf for 3 years and now on the eve of her accountability, she's an abused waif surrounded by mitigation specialists using her to forward their own careers and causes.
Sorry ICA but I'm not buying into it. Not when it's being offered up as an excuse for murdering your own child. It's a very convenient revelation however.
I hope she gets therapy for it. You'd hope that a woman who only had vague dreams of something inappropriate that maybe involved GA a few months ago, would be receiving intensive therapy now that she has full recall of fellatio at age 8. The fact she doesn't appear to be, at least from her jail visitation log, speaks volumes.
I don't believe AF or DCS would allow her to go without treatment for a real concern. JB and CM might, but the women no.

It's fascinating to watch a woman facing the DP defend herself by laying blame on everyone in her family for everything. No accountability and certainly no remorse. Doesn't she owe the State of Florida 100's of thousands of dollars in investigative and prosecution costs by now while she sat on her secrets???

Agreed! I too am a sexual abuse survivor. Up until yesterday, I was willing to give Casey the benefit of the doubt, because she's cried wolf and survivors usually aren't believed, and bad things can happen to bad people.
But seeing that opening statement that was so full of BS, her abuse was just lumped in there for shock and awe value- to accuse George in open court- like a Perry Mason moment, ala "he did it" kind of thing and using the "p" word, now makes me totally disbelieve any abuse claims coming from her. *That's not why she lies, cheats, steals, and covers-up- it's because she's a sociopath, trying to pin Caylee's death on anybody but herself. No personal responsibility whatsoever! And if George was such a threat, why did she let him witness Caylee's birth, continue to live with him, and let him babysit Caylee??? I kept my perp. uncle as far away from my baby daughter as possible!!!
* If they had waited until the penalty phase and quietly brought the issue up in a dignified way as a mitigating factor, I might have continued to believe them. But this way, NO WAY!

 

[LinasK]

By the way, the defense is not using the allegations of molestation as an excuse Casey is using for the murder of Caylee; they are using it as an excuse for her to cover up the accidental drowning of Caylee. An example of the disfunctionality of the family.

Except that it's not an accidental drowning, and even if it was- sexual abuse doesn't cut it for not reporting her death, or even not calling 911!!!

 

[LadyL]

I think George is very ashamed that he & Cindy raised a liar and murderer. I think his lowering his head when asked these questions is due to that shame ... that they didn't stop it before it got to this point. I think he also has survivor's guilt about Caylee. I don't think he or anyone else sexually abused KC. She has no conscience ... that is for sure ... but it has nothing to do with being sexually abused IMO.