Does Skyline school bear any responsibility?

[Astrella613]

Don't want to be OT here but since it has been brought up a few times, I just have to say if Kyron was exhibiting strange behavior for two weeks, did his father and mother know this? Also if he was, why would they even send him to school? Mini seizures, I would have had him in the ER and had all kind of tests run to see what the problem was as I think any parent would. So I am having a hard time believing this information. Has this been verified by anyone else or is this just from her email?

 

[Really]

...it's from an email that Terri sent to a friend. The friend released it to KATU news who published it...do a search. You'll find it. No mention of anyone else knowing or hearing about this behaviour. My issue is that if it is real, she shouldn't have left him in the school unsupervised. Period. And I would take him to the dr before having him go anywhere else too, EXACTLY! On the other hand, this could have been a made-up issue to bring up for a 'dr' appointment or to say maybe he wandered. This is a key issue for me since it uses her very own words and actions.

 

[Astrella613]

...it's from an email that Terri sent to a friend. The friend released it to KATU news who published it...do a search. You'll find it. No mention of anyone else knowing or hearing about this behaviour. My issue is that if it is real, she shouldn't have left him in the school unsupervised. Period. And I would take him to the dr before having him go anywhere else too, EXACTLY! On the other hand, this could have been a made-up issue to bring up for a 'dr' appointment or to say maybe he wandered. This is a key issue for me since it uses her very own words and actions.

I find this whole email very strange. I remember when he first went missing one of the news reporters said that a classmate was asked if he noticed anything different about that day and he said, Kyron wasn't on the bus, he took the bus everyday. I don't have a link and have tried looking for it again but can't find it. So I find it hard to believe that they were still sending him on the bus everyday if he was really having these problems. Many strange things in this case.

 

[RubyRed]

Sept. 2--Skyline School parent meeting with school leaders

Sept. 7--School at Skyline begins with extra police, counselors

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...u-will-go-to-jail/bqbUvGhY4Ui_-6hsjxnJLA.cspx

 

[gwenabob]

The schools in the district where I live are very strict about a student's departure during school hours. If a child must leave campus at any time during the school day, the parent must go to the front office for a pass to the attendance office. Then, they must sign a log stating date, student's name, signature of parent and reason for leaving campus. There is absolutely NO way around this procedure and a verbal notice to a teacher or administrator isn't allowed. The notice/request must be made in the form of a note/email to the Attendance Clerk or in-person at the time the child is being picked up. All doors are locked EXCEPT for the front door which leads to the main office. All schools should have a similar process. Kyron's ability to "wander" off on his own or to be taken by TH for an "appointment" or to be "abducted" by some unknown person could have been prevented if there was a security process in place such as the one I mentioned above. Therefore, I do believe that Skyline has a responsibility in Kyron's disappearance, no matter how it happened. Of course, this is only MHO.

Skyline DOES have the policy that parents are to check their child out at the office. I am sure the teacher expected Terri to follow the school policy. Did the teacher really need to stop what she was doing and escort Terri to the office and watch over her shoulder while she signed Kyron out? Even though school had not officially even started yet?

What happens at your school if a parent is, say, volunteering and has to take their child and leave early? How do you GUARANTEE that the parent goes through the office and doesn't just go out a side door? Remember, this is a school built in the 1930s. Schools were built with the worry of fire, not kidnapping. Lots of exits.

 

[Charlie09]

I don't have time (or patience) to go through all the pages here....I heard this weekend (I'm in Salem/Portland for a wedding) and didn't realize that I knew someone who works at Skyline school.

Has it been confirmed about sign out sheets? Because what was told to me was there was a definite sign out process....but it seems like here that was still in dispute. Anyone know any "official" word on it?

 

[mmmagique]

Here during "normal" school times (that includes about an hour before and an hour after) parents and other visitors are MADE to sign in and out.

However, during a special day of some kind, I can see how it would be easy to slip past, especially on the way out, and especially if you're a familiar face (as someone who is a parent volunteer would be.)

ETA: Louisville KY, where I live, is not near Skyline school, of course. This was just for discussion's sake.

 

[loves2bmom]

I don't have time (or patience) to go through all the pages here....I heard this weekend (I'm in Salem/Portland for a wedding) and didn't realize that I knew someone who works at Skyline school.

Has it been confirmed about sign out sheets? Because what was told to me was there was a definite sign out process....but it seems like here that was still in dispute. Anyone know any "official" word on it?

"Officially" it's in the handbook that a sign out procedure exists. I'm sorry I can't find the post right now but one or two Skyline parents chimed in that it is normal protocol. It appears it wasn't followed on Science Fair day. Not that it would have mattered IMO because the criminal (whoever he/she may be) didn't follow the rules. Imgaine that!

 

[Billylee]

http://www.kptv.com/news/23816333/detail.html


Shelby said the school normally requires visitors and guests to sign in and wear a visitor badge, but did not comment if that was the case Friday morning.


If that is a requirement and it didn't happen, and someone other than TH took Kyron, then I say yes, there's a liability there for the school.

It all boils down to who took Kyron and when.

 

[Charlie09]

"Officially" it's in the handbook that a sign out procedure exists. I'm sorry I can't find the post right now but one or two Skyline parents chimed in that it is normal protocol. It appears it wasn't followed on Science Fair day. Not that it would have mattered IMO because the criminal (whoever he/she may be) didn't follow the rules. Imgaine that!

I am wondering if this is something that seems to be known within the school and hasn't been released. It was very specific....I don't have a link it was just a conversation, but it has in fact made the fence completely disappear for me.

 

[loves2bmom]

I am wondering if this is something that seems to be known within the school and hasn't been released. It was very specific....I don't have a link it was just a conversation, but it has in fact made the fence completely disappear for me.

What is known within the school? I'm not sure I'm following what you're getting at? I found one of the posts from a Skyline Parent:

As a parent of two Skyline students, it pains me to see these kinds of accusations, especially from those who have no knowledge of the school and its procedures. Skyline does have sign in and sign out procedures and they are very safety conscious. Terri took advantage of what was to be a very hectic day and did her evil deed. She took advantage of a situation and manipulated the situation to make it seem like the school's fault.

I have no problem with sending my kids back to Skyline this fall as this was a family tragedy, and certainly not a school tragedy.:banghead:

 

[gardeness]

Skyline DOES have the policy that parents are to check their child out at the office. I am sure the teacher expected Terri to follow the school policy. Did the teacher really need to stop what she was doing and escort Terri to the office and watch over her shoulder while she signed Kyron out? Even though school had not officially even started yet?

What happens at your school if a parent is, say, volunteering and has to take their child and leave early? How do you GUARANTEE that the parent goes through the office and doesn't just go out a side door? Remember, this is a school built in the 1930s. Schools were built with the worry of fire, not kidnapping. Lots of exits.

No--Terri or Kyron would have returned to his classroom to give his teacher the sign-out note from the office--apparently, this didn't occur.

 

[Charlie09]

What is known within the school? I'm not sure I'm following what you're getting at? I found one of the posts from a Skyline Parent:

Perhaps the sign out sheet was completed ...

 

[RubyRed]

I believe the school had less than adequate security measures. For that, they are responsible.

I was a PTA president for 10 years in an average size, suburban school district. The district has three K-2 sites, 2 3-5 sites, one 6-8 site and one 9-12 high school. Because of my children being in special dual languge programs I eneded up with kids in alll but one of the lower schools. Buzzed in, sign in, sign out, id stickers were the norm in all of them. Security cameras probably first appeared in the HS and Middle school in 2000, coming to elementary and primary schools later. Attendance policies give HS parents a live person phone call of a cut or absence the evening of the day after it occurs. Middle school parents generally receive a live person call mid morning on the day of the absence. I have only received the occasional call the day of an absence from an elementary or primary school, and it varies by school, despite there being a policy in place. I think staffing played into not receiving calls, as well as the school feeling like they "knew" me. However, when I ran PTA sponsored programs after school (six week sessions of ballet, karate, cooking..) I had to pick up my charges at their classrooms, take attendance, deliver them to their instructor and then scurry down to the office to call a parent if the child was absent. If my student list contained two parent's names - indicating separate living arrangements - I had to call them both - even if the first one reached said "Johnny is home sick". It was the notification practice the district followed.

I can't help but wonder what would have happened if Skyline school had called DY that day

bbm

Very good post and yes I wonder what would have happened.

 

[gardeness]

Another reason why the doctor's appointment scenario doesn't fly for me is that a doctor's appointment wouldn't take all day. It would make sense for Kyron not to return to school if the appointment was in the afternoon, but not in the morning... So, if the teacher thought she was told that Kyron was going to an appointment, it seems she would have questioned when he would be returning. It seems she also would have questioned if he would be back in time for the talent show... moo

 

[mmmagique]

I can't help but wonder what would have happened if Skyline school had called DY that day

S and B by me

I think that's why there was such a tight timeline. Terri expected a call at some point. Heck, she even emailed the teacher to try to find out if Kyron was missed yet...I don't think it would have made a bit of difference. TH gave herself enough time by the doctor appointment excuse. She knew that sometimes kids don't come back after appointments, especially on special days of which this was one.

 

[goatman]

Perhaps the sign out sheet was completed ...

Aye, but wouldn't that be THE "smoking gun"? Why the heel would she still be free if that were the case?

S and B by me

I think that's why there was such a tight timeline. Terri expected a call at some point. Heck, she even emailed the teacher to try to find out if Kyron was missed yet...I don't think it would have made a bit of difference. TH gave herself enough time by the doctor appointment excuse. She knew that sometimes kids don't come back after appointments, especially on special days of which this was one.

Is the 'tight timeline' 90 minutes or 3 hour?

IMO, the school is complacent in the disappearance of Kyron because KNOWING who he left the school with is a key factor in this case. While we may never know what happened to Kyron...we would know who did it!
We might think we know who took Kyron, but having irrefutable proof would break this case wide, wide open.

IMO this is why there is a focus on the white truck in the parking lot at the school, even if we can't prove that TH harmed Kyron, if we can prove that she took him from the school-that greatly (IMO) increases the odds of her being convicted- which is the goal-if she is guilty.

 

[scandi]

Absolutly! IMO

ITA Astrella, I bet when Kyron is found and the story comes out for public knowledge, the school will be said to be extremely low key in their security measures.

They had or are having a public assembly for the parents of students attending there for this next school year. I would love to see exactly what changes they have made to keep the students safe, even from familial predators !!! I don't think they have invested in video surveillance to this point, which is simply astounding to me. They were offered used equipment at no cost with only the installation of it to pay for and still the new school year brings no change in that area, that I am aware of.

xox

 

[wondering1]

ITA Astrella, I bet when Kyron is found and the story comes out for public knowledge, the school will be said to be extremely low key in their security measures.

They had or are having a public assembly for the parents of students attending there for this next school year. I would love to see exactly what changes they have made to keep the students safe, even from familial predators !!! I don't think they have invested in video surveillance to this point, which is simply astounding to me. They were offered used equipment at no cost with only the installation of it to pay for and still the new school year brings no change in that area, that I am aware of.

xox

They installed it this week, I think. There is an article about it somewhere. It was donated by a security company.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Question for Skyline parents or Portland Schools parents, in general.

On a typical Friday at the end of the school year or even right before a holiday vacation, what percentage of students might not attend school because their families are leaving on trips? Given the busy-ness of the day on June 4 with both the Science Fair and afternoon Talent Show, would some students just not come to school because so little classroom time was scheduled? Maybe some students and/or parents weren't interested in the Science Fair or Talent Show and decided that it wasn't worthwhile to be at school that day. jmo