Dr. Keith Ablow on Websleuths Radio Dec. 4th, 2011

[Horace Finklestein]

He mentioned psychoanalysis...I have to wonder what century he's living in.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I just listened to the interview and I'm relieved to read that others feel about it the same way I do. Creepy is a good word for it. The doctor himself sounded rather obsessed with Casey's looks and her body, yet he claims George was all that!

For crying out loud -- hamburger! He was so descriptive! How disturbing was that?

The doctor trashes George, makes diagnoses and accusations without having met the people, blames Casey's grandparents, plus George and Cindy, yet gives Casey a pass because it "wasn't her fault". Give me a break. So he wants us to believe Casey killed Caylee because grandpa Plesea was placed in an orphanage as a boy? Yeah, sure, that's plausible. :banghead:

Does this "doctor" not understand the concept of people taking charge of their own lives, being responsible for their own actions? Does he not realize that many grandchildren of "orphans" don't kill their own children? Does he not realize Casey alone was responsible for her actions, whether or not she had been abused as a child?

Didn't like his snide remarks about Jeff Ashton, not one bit.

Gotta, hand it to our Tricia for keeping cool in an absurd situation.

So he writes a book about people he's never met, about situations he didn't examine closely, about "facts" he's embellished, and overlooked key material. Plus he disses Jeff Ashton. :shakehead:

Some people will do anything for a buck...and 15 minutes of fame.

:cow: All my opinion, of course.

 

[Intermezzo]

I just listened to the interview and I'm relieved to read that others feel about it the same way I do. Creepy is a good word for it. The doctor himself sounded rather obsessed with Casey's looks and her body, yet he claims George was all that!

For crying out loud -- hamburger! He was so descriptive! How disturbing was that?

The doctor trashes George, makes diagnoses and accusations without having met the people, blames Casey's grandparents, plus George and Cindy, yet gives Casey a pass because it "wasn't her fault". Give me a break. So he wants us to believe Casey killed Caylee because grandpa Plesea was placed in an orphanage as a boy? Yeah, sure, that's plausible. :banghead:

Does this "doctor" not understand the concept of people taking charge of their own lives, being responsible for their own actions? Does he not realize that many grandchildren of "orphans" don't kill their own children? Does he not realize Casey alone was responsible for her actions, whether or not she had been abused as a child?

Didn't like his snide remarks about Jeff Ashton, not one bit.

Gotta, hand it to our Tricia for keeping cool in an absurd situation.

So he writes a book about people he's never met, about situations he didn't examine closely, about "facts" he's embellished, and overlooked key material. Plus he disses Jeff Ashton. :shakehead:

Some people will do anything for a buck...and 15 minutes of fame.

bbm
And I thought I was the only one who thought that way about Mr Ablow...glad to see I wasn't alone.
This was the first time I heard him speak and my first impression of him is as you say "creepy"

 

[krkrjx]

I just listened to the interview and I'm relieved to read that others feel about it the same way I do. Creepy is a good word for it. The doctor himself sounded rather obsessed with Casey's looks and her body, yet he claims George was all that!

For crying out loud -- hamburger! He was so descriptive! How disturbing was that?

The doctor trashes George, makes diagnoses and accusations without having met the people, blames Casey's grandparents, plus George and Cindy, yet gives Casey a pass because it "wasn't her fault". Give me a break. So he wants us to believe Casey killed Caylee because grandpa Plesea was placed in an orphanage as a boy? Yeah, sure, that's plausible. :banghead:

Does this "doctor" not understand the concept of people taking charge of their own lives, being responsible for their own actions? Does he not realize that many grandchildren of "orphans" don't kill their own children? Does he not realize Casey alone was responsible for her actions, whether or not she had been abused as a child?

Didn't like his snide remarks about Jeff Ashton, not one bit.

Gotta, hand it to our Tricia for keeping cool in an absurd situation.

So he writes a book about people he's never met, about situations he didn't examine closely, about "facts" he's embellished, and overlooked key material. Plus he disses Jeff Ashton. :shakehead:

Some people will do anything for a buck...and 15 minutes of fame.

Wow! What a great post!

 

[Zoe Bogart]

According to the 1930 Census, County Children's Home, Warren, Ohio, grandpa Plesea wasn't there alone. His two older brothers and older sister were with him. The doctor made it sound as if Grandpa was dumped there without his siblings.

So my question is: Did those other siblings grow up to have grandchildren who murdered their young children?

The census can be found at Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest. I don't know if I'm allowed to post my file here. They're listed on the census page as "Pelesea". Ancestry lists them as "Pellesea". I've submitted a name correction but the errors will remain.

 

[logicalgirl]

I just read a part of Ablow's book ..in it he says George was so happy with the birth of Caylee he did not take an interest in who her father was etc.....

What is being forgotten or missed by Mr Ablow is that Casey had told Jesse and her parents that he, Jesse, was the father of her baby and until the paternity tests came back that proved otherwise, George and Cindy both thought Jesse was the father during that time in the delivery room.

Oh sure - I can see it now - George and Cindy for whom appearances are everything and fall into the "old fashioned morals at least for appearances" category - easy to see both would be angry and frustrated to have their "beautiful" daughter show up as an "unwed mother" with all of the negative implications that title used to have.

I have no doubt both grandparents fell in love with Caylee the minute when she was born, but doubt either was ever proud or boastful of the circumstances or were so "happy" they "didn't know or care" who the father was. I mean get real! This is George and Cindy.....who wanted to appear better than most at least to their family and neighbours...

 

[logicalgirl]

According to the 1930 Census, County Children's Home, Warren, Ohio, grandpa Plesea wasn't there alone. His two older brothers and older sister were with him. The doctor made it sound as if Grandpa was dumped there without his siblings.

So my question is: Did those other siblings grow up to have grandchildren who murdered their young children?

The census can be found at Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest. I don't know if I'm allowed to post my file here. They're listed on the census page as "Pelesea". Ancestry lists them as "Pellesea". I've submitted a name correction but the errors will remain.

Thanks for the Info Zoe, I didn't realize he wasn't the only child in the family who was there. Re the name spelling, I note my grandparents and great grand parents changed the spelling of their last names from European to more Anglicized spellings as the generations went along, without benefit of name changes so perhaps that's what the spelling is all about.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Thanks for the Info Zoe, I didn't realize he wasn't the only child in the family who was there. Re the name spelling, I note my grandparents and great grand parents changed the spelling of their last names from European to more Anglicized spellings as the generations went along, without benefit of name changes so perhaps that's what the spelling is all about.

It's true name changes occurred. On census records however, mistakes happened all the time. My point was to give all versions of the name in case anyone wanted to search for them. My addition to ancestry.com was to add today's version of the spelling so it could be found more easily by anyone searching.

Also on the 1930 census, the four children are in the orphanage while daddy and his new wife are living alone.

 

[logicalgirl]

It's true name changes occurred. On census records however, mistakes happened all the time. My point was to give all versions of the name in case anyone wanted to search for them. My addition to ancestry.com was to add today's version of the spelling so it could be found more easily by anyone searching.

Also on the 1930 census, the four children are in the orphanage while daddy and his new wife are living alone.

Sorry Zoe, wasn't trying to do a correction on you if that's what it sounded like - more musing on name changes and you've done some great sleuthing.

My mother's family name in three generations went from whaaa? to easily North American. Do you think the children were in the orphanage because the parents didn't want them or was it a case of "the dirty 30's" when we didn't have a social structure like welfare, food stamps or food banks and people who didn't live on a farm were often literally starving. This is when men began hopping trains to criss cross the country looking for work and were known as "hobo's".

 

[Tulessa]

According to the 1930 Census, County Children's Home, Warren, Ohio, grandpa Plesea wasn't there alone. His two older brothers and older sister were with him. The doctor made it sound as if Grandpa was dumped there without his siblings.

So my question is: Did those other siblings grow up to have grandchildren who murdered their young children?

The census can be found at Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest. I don't know if I'm allowed to post my file here. They're listed on the census page as "Pelesea". Ancestry lists them as "Pellesea". I've submitted a name correction but the errors will remain.

That happened a lot during the depression. Google it. I live closest to a small town , population of only 1100. I know an entire family that was put in an children's home as they call it here. One of their sons is Mayor of our small town and the others are retired or productive citizens. They didn't murder anybody! Thanks Zoe for that information.

ETA, there was 13 of them and they are wonderful, caring human beings.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Sorry Zoe, wasn't trying to do a correction on you if that's what it sounded like - more musing on name changes and you've done some great sleuthing.

My mother's family name in three generations went from whaaa? to easily North American. Do you think the children were in the orphanage because the parents didn't want them or was it a case of "the dirty 30's" when we didn't have a social structure like welfare, food stamps or food banks and people who didn't live on a farm were often literally starving. This is when men began hopping trains to criss cross the country looking for work and were known as "hobo's".

I understand.

Orphanages had many half-orphans in them even before the Great Depression. It was probably a convenient way to have the children looked after if the remaining parent had to travel for work, had many children to take care of, or had very young children, plus it was a way for the children to have food, a roof over their heads, and schooling. I've seen more cases of widowed fathers placing their children in orphanages than mothers, but it happened both ways, for sure.

I couldn't begin to guess why the Plesea children were there after their father found a new wife. It was just a fact. I brought it up because Dr. Ablow made it sound like Cindy's dad was the only child of that family placed there and he wasn't. :waitasec:

 

[krkrjx]

I understand.

Orphanages had many half-orphans in them even before the Great Depression. It was probably a convenient way to have the children looked after if the remaining parent had to travel for work, had many children to take care of, or had very young children, plus it was a way for the children to have food, a roof over their heads, and schooling. I've seen more cases of widowed fathers placing their children in orphanages than mothers, but it happened both ways, for sure.

I couldn't begin to guess why the Plesea children were there after their father found a new wife. It was just a fact. I brought it up because Dr. Ablow made it sound like Cindy's dad was the only child of that family placed there and he wasn't. :waitasec:

It's called a lie by omission and can be even worse than an outright lie because a made up story can be disproved. In a true statement that tells only half the story, some people might attempt to verify it but often no one goes beyond that to get the whole story. Often what a person doesn't say is as relevant as what they do say. Thanks Zoe for exposing that this doctor is capable of lying by omission.

 

[wonders]

So this good doctor thinks it was a mercy killing? (Just read that in the Current News thread.)
Do gumball machines dispense degrees?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

So this good doctor thinks it was a mercy killing? (Just read that in the Current News thread.)
Do gumball machines dispense degrees?

None of his conclusions are based in evidence. Nothing he has said is supported by research...I simply do not understand how he is even licensed.

 

[LambChop]

So this good doctor thinks it was a mercy killing? (Just read that in the Current News thread.)
Do gumball machines dispense degrees?

Maybe he is right for all the wrong reasons. What WOULD life have been like living with KC???? I think when KC did not have an audience Caylee may not have faired too well and I base this on watching those videos where KC is filming and Caylee is the only one talking. Caylee looks as if she is trying to figure out why her mother will not answer her. jmo