Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

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I respectively disagree. I don't think Lee will have a problem at all allowing his sister to babysit his future should he choose to have them. IMO Lee believes as his mother does, that Miss Casey is completely innocent. And he might even believe the defense that his father had something to do with it.

Although if I were Lee I would play it safe and elect not to have any children. It appears that there is serious and I mean serious mental issues within this family and I would fear to pass them down if I were Lee.

IMO I think it best that Caylee be the last child this family is ever blessed with having. This "family" is the most completely diabolical, dysfunctional, and unhealthy family I've ever seen. This family just does not foster a healthy environment for children. So IMO they shouldn't be around any.

It is very rare that I disagree with you JSR - but I believe you are completely wrong! I think Lee has known since the late fall of 2008 that FCA killed Caylee. And I believe he demonstrated that each time he was on the stand.

What I think you are not taking into consideration is that Lee did not trust anyone, not the SA, not the Defense and not the LE because he knew that none of them would tell him the "whole story" just like his parents and just like his parents might end up tricking him.

So he offered nothing, answered what he was asked, and I definitely think he gave Baez fair warning NOT to go to the sexual abuse direction for him when he was on the stand. Baez was almost acting with servitude when LA was on the stand, because he (Baez) knew that Lee could be explosive and uncontrollable, and that he knew far more about FCA, the person, than Baez ever wanted anyone in a courtroom to go. I thought Jeff Ashton's question about Lee "going to the defense but not the SA" was silly and petulant, and didn't reflect what happened at all.
 
I first thought she misspoke too but replayed it and listened carefully. George also said he expected the molestation to come in but not like the opening statement.

This whole family is crazy. This whole trial was crazy and I feel crazy sitting here wasting my time trying to figure it out! Lol. Off to shine my sink (flylady.com)

Of course he did - from FCA's letters that were released long before the trial.
 
I first thought she misspoke too but replayed it and listened carefully. George also said he expected the molestation to come in but not like the opening statement.

This whole family is crazy. This whole trial was crazy and I feel crazy sitting here wasting my time trying to figure it out! Lol. Off to shine my sink (flylady.com)


BBM: I totally agree !

:waitasec: And these "grandparents" want to be "spokespersons" for "GrandParents Rights" ...

:ufo::ufo:
 
dog.gone.cute brings up alot of very good points. When I was watching the trial the day CA had her lieing face on, there was a reporter sitting on the right side of the court room. When CA said it was she who had made the chloroform searches, his head popped up..like wait a minute! The SA was surprised to say the least at what was coming out of CA's mouth. Whether CA was playing with SA or following the script her and JB cooked up it was clear that the SA office had just been hoodwinked!
 
Casey got in the car with Caylee and Caylee said something that triggered Casey to shake her like a rag doll. Before Casey's eyes the child appeared dead, instantly. Casey freaked out driving around trying to call everyone to no evail. The cover up was know in early stages. Must show how it was an accident if caught otherwise delay and deny everything was going to be the theme. Did she get advice from anyone...I don't know...I doubt it.
 
Casey got in the car with Caylee and Caylee said something that triggered Casey to shake her like a rag doll. Before Casey's eyes the child appeared dead, instantly. Casey freaked out driving around trying to call everyone to no evail. The cover up was know in early stages. Must show how it was an accident if caught otherwise delay and deny everything was going to be the theme. Did she get advice from anyone...I don't know...I doubt it.

Actually, Cindy said something the night before that triggered KC to chloroform Caylee with an ocean of chloroform and then put three pieces of tape around her mouth so she would not wake up EVA AGAIN. She got the advice from her very small brain.
 
dog.gone.cute brings up alot of very good points. When I was watching the trial the day CA had her lieing face on, there was a reporter sitting on the right side of the court room. When CA said it was she who had made the chloroform searches, his head popped up..like wait a minute! The SA was surprised to say the least at what was coming out of CA's mouth. Whether CA was playing with SA or following the script her and JB cooked up it was clear that the SA office had just been hoodwinked!

SA shouldn't have been surprised at that testimony since she had already said the same in her deposition.
 
Wait till you see the segment when they are talking about the OS. CA agrees with Dr. Phil that the molesation charge brought up in JB's OS is totally untrue. So Dr. P says to CA..So what your saying is that the jurys aquittals were based on mistruths?

Watch CA backpeddle...CA..No, I don't think so. I don't think the jury based their decision on that statement, I think the jury based their decision on the fact the SA didn't prove their case.
 
dog.gone.cute brings up alot of very good points. When I was watching the trial the day CA had her lieing face on, there was a reporter sitting on the right side of the court room. When CA said it was she who had made the chloroform searches, his head popped up..like wait a minute! The SA was surprised to say the least at what was coming out of CA's mouth. Whether CA was playing with SA or following the script her and JB cooked up it was clear that the SA office had just been hoodwinked!

I think JB lied to CA a lot. Told her things just to get her to change her testimony. Apparently he told her SA was going to go after GA about the molestation and she believed him. CA will have to live with it. jmo
 
After hearing Cindy say "what were we going to do with her anyway", George should give deep consideration to leaving Cindy - because Cindy is seriously damaged goods and to have someone say that about a dead grandchild to aid and abet her daughter's placing her there is serious material. If he is smart, he will start a new life without Cindy - really.
 
Casey got in the car with Caylee and Caylee said something that triggered Casey to shake her like a rag doll. Before Casey's eyes the child appeared dead, instantly. Casey freaked out driving around trying to call everyone to no evail. The cover up was know in early stages. Must show how it was an accident if caught otherwise delay and deny everything was going to be the theme. Did she get advice from anyone...I don't know...I doubt it.

OMG! Where is this from? Is this a possible scenario you thought up? If not, where did you read this? Thanks! it certainly COULD have happened!
 
OMG! Where is this from? Is this a possible scenario you thought up? If not, where did you read this? Thanks! it certainly COULD have happened!

There is still chloroform in the trunk that can't be explained. jmo
 
After hearing Cindy say "what were we going to do with her anyway", George should give deep consideration to leaving Cindy - because Cindy is seriously damaged goods and to have someone say that about a dead grandchild to aid and abet her daughter's placing her there is serious material. If he is smart, he will start a new life without Cindy - really.

I agree. He should run, not walk. Cindy will put him 6 feet under either by violence as Casey did to Caylee or by driving him to the brink of complete insanity.
 
There is still chloroform in the trunk that can't be explained. jmo

Sorry, I meant the post that talks about KC shaking Caylee to death, then driving around wondering what to do..... I thought I had it in my quote..... sorry!
 
I think JB lied to CA a lot. Told her things just to get her to change her testimony. Apparently he told her SA was going to go after GA about the molestation and she believed him. CA will have to live with it. jmo

I agree, in part. The SA had no logical reason to go after George for anything. Going after George makes no sense. It was Casey the SA was after, and then Cindy only after she lied. If anything, the SA tried to help George. I think JB did lie, but I also think that Cindy is not stupid either. I think she was willing to throw George under the bus to a certain point. Casey has always been more important to Cindy than George. If someone had to go down to free Casey, it was going to be George, not Cindy.

I think she and Baez plotted together - she would lie and manipulate, and he would bring up molestation allegations against George in the OS only. Baez was never going to prove those allegations, so that made it okay with Cindy. George is the scapegoat when things go wrong in that family, and it was no different at trial. And the sad part is, he continues to accept that role. All his denials mean nothing when he won't get himself out of a bad situation and make his life better. No one can do that for him; he can only do it himself, and he won't.
 
No one will ever convince me that George would follow a script for a murderer he wanted held accountable. Nor would he follow a script going along with being called a child molester, and if that wasnt bad enough, but to also be called the 'body dumper' of the very child he loved more than anyone, imo.

No way, imo.

George would not have his life ruined for his daughter. It is very evident he did not go along with the DTs charade and despised Baez, rightly so.

That is why George had to be brought down.

IMO

This is how I see it too. I think George has been "all over" Casey from the beginning, and she had her whole life of being busted by him to fuel her desire to bring him down.

Cindy may have thwarted George at every turn, but Casey knew he tried. George was her "enemy" from the very beginning.

My ex-husband is a small time sociopath/narcissist, able to go long periods of time successfully pretending to be "normal". I was a well educated and successful person before I met him, with a couple of very barbarian teenagers and other life stressors that made me vulnerable to a man who said "I just want to take care of you, I just want to be a Dad again."

Within seven years, I was agoraphobic, completely isolated and without a shred of my normal self-confidence. He never laid a hand on me.

As much as I HATE HATE HATE to admit it, his Chinese water torture put downs and contempt for me reduced me into a person I can hardly recognize as myself. I was a PSYCH NURSE for God's sake!! And no slouch in the brains department!

I see myself in George in many ways. I, too, became dishonest and capitulated to my ex out of sheer exhaustion (he was relentless). George has had many more years of this than I did.

I hold myself responsible for the appalling things I did, lied about, etc etc, and I hold George responsible for his, too. He is, after all, a grown man, an adult. But, there is a definite effect on a person who spends years living intimately with a spouse such as Cindy Anthony and God help him, his daughter Casey.

It reduces you to your lowest common denominator.

I understand how George just sits there and goes along with it all. I understand why he does it. It doesn't excuse him any more than it excused me. But it is a common manifestation of abused spouses, and you don't need to be smacked around either.

I'm a member of a very active community of DV survivors. George's "story" is not somehow unique to George, it is actually common to abused spouses, male or female. In spite of being the "abused one" we aren't lily white victims, either. We are capable of atrocities, too, very capable.
 
It is very rare that I disagree with you JSR - but I believe you are completely wrong! I think Lee has known since the late fall of 2008 that FCA killed Caylee. And I believe he demonstrated that each time he was on the stand.

What I think you are not taking into consideration is that Lee did not trust anyone, not the SA, not the Defense and not the LE because he knew that none of them would tell him the "whole story" just like his parents and just like his parents might end up tricking him.

So he offered nothing, answered what he was asked, and I definitely think he gave Baez fair warning NOT to go to the sexual abuse direction for him when he was on the stand. Baez was almost acting with servitude when LA was on the stand, because he (Baez) knew that Lee could be explosive and uncontrollable, and that he knew far more about FCA, the person, than Baez ever wanted anyone in a courtroom to go. I thought Jeff Ashton's question about Lee "going to the defense but not the SA" was silly and petulant, and didn't reflect what happened at all.

You're right. You and I rarely do disagree.

I'm not yet ready to trust that Lee is any different than any other Anthony. His speech at what should have been his nieces memorial does not allow me to trust Lee for as far as I can throw him.

And I still think his manner while being questioned by the SA shows where his loyalties are aligned. And it certainly isn't Caylee's. But I also know two people can watch/hear the same thing and interpret differently. I personally interpret Lee's testimony as being pulled from him. He was VERY VERY unwilling to testify at all for the state but his testimony when being questioned by JB really flowed very well, almost too well. He sounded very eager to assist the Defense in any way, with the exception of admitting to any molestation by himself.
 
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