Dr Phil w/ George and Cindy Anthony (Show airs 9.13.2011)

[OneLostGrl]

I believe you! I also believe in that era, many psychological illnesses were poorly defined, and even more poorly diagnosed. Some symptoms certainly overlap and I can see hoe they could be confused.

(Sorry for the somewhat OT, but I feel folks here are interested in knowing these things....)

The DSM-IV defines schizophrenia
http://www.sacdhhs.com/CMS/download/pdfs/AMH/Diagnostic%20Criteria%20for%20Schizophrenia%202008.pdf

PTSD
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/37/20/25.2.full

Here is a decent explanation of the transition of shell-shock to PTSD.
http://www.ptsdsupport.net/evolutionof_ptsd.html

This is interesting too:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/shellshock_01.shtml

Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing!

 

[pip]

i think the internet gambling and the nigerian scam are both lies. no proof of course but i have a feeling it was *advertiser censored*, paid webcam viewing, or escorts. i would almost bet on it. they both are liars i just think george is less looney and thinks more realistic.

I 100% agree and have always believed that to be the truth.

 

[octobermoon]

Anthonys' Dr. Phil interview is worst case of ratings-grabbing tabloid TV

http://www.tampabay.com/features/me...t-case-of-ratings-grabbing-tabloid-tv/1191408

 

[Whisperer]

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but there is nothing else really open. And it's not MSM. Mods move to a more appropriate thread if need be.

TMZ Headlines

Jose Baez
Casey's Lawyer Now Defending
Aruba Suspect Gary Giordano

Casey Anthony's attorney Jose Baez must love a challenge -- because he's been retained to help defend the main suspect in a Maryland woman's disappearance in Aruba.


http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/13/casey...-giordano-aruba-murder-suspect-robyn-gardner/

:thud:

 

[LCoastMom]

Hi, Whisperer. Even under much less pressing scrutiny, parents (especially mothers) can be defensive or in denial about their children's wrong-doing. In this, Cindy is grasping at straws. I wonder, for instance, if the "grand mal seizures" might have been the after-effects of chemical or alcohol self-indulgence.

I wonder if grand mal seizures is a Cindism for OCA having temper tantrums - you know when she gets so frushtrated she can't even shwallow...

 

[LCoastMom]

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but there is nothing else really open. And it's not MSM. Mods move to a more appropriate thread if need be.

TMZ Headlines

Jose Baez
Casey's Lawyer Now Defending
Aruba Suspect Gary Giordano

Casey Anthony's attorney Jose Baez must love a challenge -- because he's been retained to help defend the main suspect in a Maryland woman's disappearance in Aruba.


http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/13/casey...-giordano-aruba-murder-suspect-robyn-gardner/

:thud:

:thud: :thud:

 

[Whisperer]

The felon has an anxiety disorder. Whenever she is under stress, she gets physical symptoms. Being a narcissist, she is acutely tuned in to her body. When ever she has a nervous tick, she thinks she is going to die...typical for an hysteric narcissist.

She doesn't experience too much anxiety...she is immuned from most of it. She is the type that casuses stress....she seldom is on the receiving end. She doesn't process it like the rest of us.,,but when she does, it is of major proportions. Natch.

 

[crimesnooper]

Has everyone seen this article? Very interesting!

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/09/13/psychology-george-and-cindy-anthony/?test=faces

I read his book on Scott Peterson and it was a complete waste. He is, IMO, on he same level aas Dr. Phil..a media hound with nothing really to offer. He just recyles media info and has no real inside information. And without actually spending time with Peterson or Casey, can't offer anthing other that what has been already stated. He also co-authored a book with Glenn Beck...enough said

 

[lauriej]

Thank you to those who have updated us on the show today - I did not watch it.

Regarding CA's answer during the show about the calls FCA made on June 16 to her...
Q All right. Starting then with June 16th of 2008, tell me what contact you had with Casey.
CA: I think we played phone tag. I believe she called me on my cell.
---------snipped-------

btw - I also noticed that CA's depo is 666 pages. Dear Lord - almost everything about this case and these people is bizarre and scary.

..it gets worse----cindy did her state depo over the course of 2 days.
..july 28/09 was 241 pages already
..july 29/09 was an additional 666 pages.

..can you imagine---over 900 pages of listening to that run-around?

..( i do see where you're going with the --666---just thought i'd throw in the unbelievable LENGTH of that depo.)

 

[Ravens_Tears]

I have never even heard of post traumatic schizophrenia! Is that real? Or did Cindy just make up her own medical terminology? Good Lord, that woman is unbelievable!

Perhaps they meant post-partum psychosis? It is a real condition. Some times Schizophrenics go into psychosis but having a psychotic episode does not mean someone is schizophrenic.

Also, in regards to seziures, apparently some types of seziures can cause some people to go into psychosis.

 

[Melanie]

I wonder if grand mal seizures is a Cindism for OCA having temper tantrums - you know when she gets so frushtrated she can't even shwallow...

I felt that, too, was a Cindism. I admit I watched it out of morbid curiosity, and that Cindy really emphasized "Grand Mal Seizure". Not just seizure, but she was very pronounced in how she said it. Not once, not twice, but three or 4 times. It reminded me to similar interviews when she said "half-truths" or "mis-truths". Almost as an attempt that if she says it loud and clear enough we're sure to buy it. KWIM?

MOO

Mel

 

[MsMacGyver]

Perhaps they meant post-partum psychosis? It is a real condition. Some times Schizophrenics go into psychosis but having a psychotic episode does not mean someone is schizophrenic.

Also, in regards to seziures, apparently some types of seziures can cause some people to go into psychosis.

Per Nancy G...Dr. Saunders was on and said post-partum schizophrenia..NO SUCH THING EXISTS...She said maybe CA meant post-partum psychosis..You are correct. This condition she says doesn't last a few days and is easy to spot, patient goes into full blown crazy, hears voices, etc.
Very easy to spot someone suffering with this condition.
Also Drew Kesse was on..he says if it was his child that had done something like this, two would be in a room and one would have come out and gone straight to jail. This poor man has had a daughter missing for 5 years in Florida. What upsets him the most is Dr. Phils donation to the A's, Kesse said...I'm not a fool, money trail feels fragulent to him. He also called Dr. P interview a powder puff interview...Wow

 

[MsMacGyver]

CA says the felon was an awesome mother, if thats the case I was a double awesome mother because as a single mom I actually worked to give my 3 kids food, clothes, roof over their heads and medical & dental.
Nancy G also said if the donation from Dr. P has not been disclosed, it's a lie.
GA commented on the felons emotional state during third 911 call, says she was very calm. GA also said he didn't believe 2/3 of what the felon was telling them when out on bail.

 

[MarthaM]

The A's were photographed on a plane with Lippman, destination Houston..They were there three days IIRC...I believe it was around the first or third of Aug. First class accomadations.

I think you're right. I just read an ABC article that has a picture of Dr Phil interviewing the Anthonys, with a caption saying it is from August 3rd. Cindy has on a different dress, so I would guess it was from a second (or third) day of taping.

Then again, the caption also says they're in Los Angeles. Maybe they did go to Houston first and then fly on to L.A. with Dr Phil and it was taped there. Or the caption could be wrong.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cindy-anth...tum-illness-caseys-behavior/story?id=14512067

 

[chakti]

Is todays interview on youtube yet ?
link if ya have it.
Thanks, Pam

 

[AZlawyer]

Thanks...CA is claiming on June 16th, 2008 she received 6 calls in 4 minutes from the felon. That was the day Caylee died!. CA is saying that she talked to the felon THAT DAY! This is news to me. I thought no one picked up. CA claims she doesn't remember the conversation. Am I wrong here or is this a big deal?

My recollection is the same as yours. I thought those seemingly frantic calls went unanswered.

As I said up thread - I don't believe CA actually said she talked to her - she said FCA sounded upset, but can't remember what the conversation was about. To me this is a huge red flag of a mistruth - what we would call liar liar pants on fire -in other words she didn't answer or pick up any of the calls but listened to a message or two much later.

I think she was either still very angry with FCA or thought she was going to beg her to babysit. I don't believe FCA was calling for help - I think she was planning what she had to do with Caylee and didn't want to be interrupted.

I'll have to rewind and watch it again. Maybe because CA used the word "conversation" instead of "message" I thought she was saying she had talked to the felon that day. I was paying more attention to their body language than listening to what they were saying...Thanks LG

And I could be wrong and slipped into transference as we know from depositions and hearings CA did not actually speak to FCA that day - so my brain might just have gone :ignore: maybe that 's how I'm starting to deal with CA's many lies ... :woot:

Cindy might have spoken to Casey that afternoon (June 16, 2008), but not for long:

Casey calls Cindy's office at 4:10 pm, less than 1 min.
Casey calls Cindy at 4:11:25 pm, 0 min.
Casey calls Cindy at 4:11:49 pm, less than 1 min.
Casey calls Cindy at 4:13:04 pm, 0 min.
Casey calls Cindy at 4:13:29 pm, less than 1 min.
Casey calls Cindy's office at 4:14 pm, 1 1/2 min.
Casey calls Cindy at 4:25 pm, less than 1 min.

Cindy calls Casey at 5:56 pm--goes to voicemail

Casey calls Cindy at 6:31 pm, 0 min.
Casey calls Cindy at 6:32:10 pm, less than 1 min.
Casey calls the house at 6:32:54 pm, less than 1 min.

Casey calls the house at 7:06 pm, 1 1/2 min

 

[RANCH]

Cindy might have spoken to Casey that afternoon (June 16, 2008), but not for long:

Casey calls Cindy's office at 4:10 pm, less than 1 min.
Casey calls Cindy at 4:11:25 pm, 0 min.
Casey calls Cindy at 4:11:49 pm, less than 1 min.
Casey calls Cindy at 4:13:04 pm, 0 min.
Casey calls Cindy at 4:13:29 pm, less than 1 min.
Casey calls Cindy's office at 4:14 pm, 1 1/2 min.
Casey calls Cindy at 4:25 pm, less than 1 min.

Cindy calls Casey at 5:56 pm--goes to voicemail

Casey calls Cindy at 6:31 pm, 0 min.
Casey calls Cindy at 6:32:10 pm, less than 1 min.
Casey calls the house at 6:32:54 pm, less than 1 min.

Casey calls the house at 7:06 pm, 1 1/2 min

If anyone called me that many times in such a short period, I would probably ring there neck.

 

[DairyGirl]

She said she was a very good Mom and she has told her she'd never take Caylee away from her. Didnt seem to mind that something changed in kc after Caylee was born. said they didnt find out about Caylee until she was 5 mo pregnant.

I thought they said 7 months at the trial? Can't they even get their lies straight?

 

[AZlawyer]

I thought they said 7 months at the trial? Can't they even get their lies straight?

Wellllll, they THOUGHT she was 5 mos along because they found out in June and January was the "first time she had sex"--with Jesse.

But then Caylee was born 2 months later and was clearly full term, so......

 

[TrY]

I don't buy the grand mal seizure theory that Cindy put forward. I think she made up that Casey had a grand mal seizure when she was on bail at home and made up that Casey had a seizure in jail. Where are the medical records to back her up? When did the media report that Casey had any seizures after she was arrested and on bail? There's no police reports, 911 calls or anything indicating anything of the sort.

The brain tumor theory and postpartum schizophrenia -- Cindy will make up any medical problem in order to shift the blame from Casey.

The only things I learned was how much money George gambled away - $30,000 (which he minimized in my opinion) and that Casey did not want George to move back into the Anthony home after he and Cindy separated.

But give me a break about Dr Phil claiming that Cindy and George didn't ask for any money for their interview..why should they ask for money -- they have an attorney to do their bidding for them.