DY and TY feel this was planned ahead of time.

[Kat010]

Thanks for the nice reply and welcome, WhyaDuck--and for identifying yourself re: that comment. There was no way I could find that post again in all the miles of verbiage!

Also agree re: your reservations about LE focus. None of us are really sure about what they're reall doing. However, I do have concerns re: that "sting" with the yard guy, ignoring the little friend's statement, and the connection from DY (and KH as they circled the wagons) to hubby to cops.

Trudge. Trudge. Did anyone bring a cooler for the trudgers?

 

[chasing.halos]

Off topic a bit, but are there any "remote phone booths" anymore? Most of the ones I have seen are missing the actual phone.

I really don't know, but I don't see many actual working phone booths anymore.

 

[gliving]

Good post Kat010, thanks for sharing.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

I really don't know, but I don't see many actual working phone booths anymore.

I can only speak for up here, of course, but there are still some - as to whether they work, or not, I'd be skeptical. (You can almost always find one in front of hospitals, though.)

(As a side thought, I hadn't realized it, but the loss of phone booths might be having a serious impact on the abilities of people to leave anonymous tips in cases nowadays.)

 

[Kimster]

I'm going to use my logic here and say that there is something DY and TY know that we don't know. Each time they've made a new statement, something follows to back it up. If they say TH planned something, then there quite possibly might be evidence that LE shared with them.

I'm seeing a trend here of release a bit of information, put more stress on TH, then release more information, and on and on it goes.

With that said, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop!

 

[nyvictoria]

ITA. If my child were changing, getting tearful about leaving, I would make it a point to find out why. Maybe everyone was too busy leading their own lives to be bothered?

I know this sounds hateful and hurtful, but sometimes you gotta look at it from the child's point of view instead of your own.

My opinion only

I understand your point. I've been there. I don't take it as hateful or hurtful. As a parent, you do everything you can to find out why your child doesn't want to go back to Dad's or Mom's. Nearly every weekend, my daughter would be tears about going home. She'd cry about coming to my house and cry about going back to her Dad's. Sometimes, it was as simple as missing out on a party or a play date. Sometimes, it was the rule changes. Things for which she'd be reprimanded or punished while at her father's house weren't necessarily a major infraction at mine and vice versa. If I had to call my ex to ask if there was a problem at home, his wife would be in the background screaming because I dared to intrude on their life or question their parenting style. If she answered the phone, he'd never know I called. If it's true what DY says about Terri's truth-telling abilities (and I'm not saying it is or it isn't), that would have hindered D's ability to get to the bottom of any issues. Desiree probably never got a straight answer and Terri didn't tell Kaine that D was concerned about anything.

Shared custody requires cooperation and compromise. It sounds like there wasn't a lot of that going on here and poor Kyron got lost in the middle of the dysfunction.

in keeping with the topic of this thread, I think it was planned to coincide with the date of the Science Fair and I think, IF Terri is involved she had help. Sorry to have strayed so far off topic!

 

[shorty42404]

I also think this was planned ahead of time, but by TH.. still uncertain.

 

[chasing.halos]

(As a side thought, I hadn't realized it, but the loss of phone booths might be having a serious impact on the abilities of people to leave anonymous tips in cases nowadays.)

I know! I had never thought of that before today!

 

[ClueMeIn]

Originally Posted by human
~Snipped~

But he was acting out at school to the point that it had been brought up by the teacher to the parents.


This is interesting. I hadn’t heard about this before.

That is because Kaine never said that Kyron was acting out. Those were not his words.

 

[cluciano63]

i am just waiting for MCSO to come out with a statement that whatever the Youngs are saying did not come from them.

 

[JSR]

I don't think the logical progression goes from seeing an unhappy child to imagining that the SM could possibly cause him to disappear. How could they NOT be blindsided by something of this magnitude, if TH is involved? There can be red flags indicating problems all day long, but to anticipate that the child will drop off the face of the earth would be extraordinary.
Hindsight is always 20/20.

Well said JBean.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

When I divorced the father of my two daughters, after a year or so one of them wanted to go and live with him - I believe she was 12 or so. As much as it broke my heart, I let her move without any nasty scenes. I loved my daughter enough to let her go for her own happiness.

O/T but yes, I totally understand this. My ex was transferred to Milan, Italy by the company we both worked for, and he asked if our 13 year old daughter could go with him. As much as it hurt me I let her decide if she wanted to try it (she did) & I let her go. I did it mainly for the educational opportunities there, that we don't have here, but I was devastated to say the least. I cried at the drop of a hat for the entire first year she was gone. She's 17 now, third year of high school (they have 5 years high school there) and she speaks fluent Italian, French & Spanish & has traveled all over Europe. She is also taking law classes in high school! So, yes, it hurts like crazy but sometimes it's what's best.

P.S. She's here now, for the summer & I hug her like every 5 minutes LOL

ETA: If she was ever unhappy or was being abused in any way, she would have a return ticket home in a FLASH

 

[keeponsearching]

I am so shocked, surprised that they have said everything directly to the media. This is crazy.... You can't help but wonder what evidence they have, if any, and why are they even talking so openly. If this goes to court, wouldn't they have issues, something along the lines of guilty before even going to court. I understand they want to keep Kyrons name out there, and they think he is alive thats great, wonderful. I don't want to see issues down the road if TH is convicted, and I don't want TH life to be ruin if she is not... kwim?
I want Kyron to be found. He deserves it.

 

[TopTop]

I really , really don't like this 'I knew it all along' attitude.

Everything points to TH being involved, being unstable etc. I agree that KH and DY are 100% convinced that TH is involved, responsible. I don't see what announcing it continuously will get them. I don't see how it will convince TH to give up any information. I think it will just make her madder and more vindictive.

It also causes me to ask why DY didn't get her butt over there and protect Kyron. If she lived in the area, even if she did not have custody I bet she would have been at that science fair that morning.

MOO

 

[cluciano63]

I am so shocked, surprised that they have said everything directly to the media. This is crazy.... You can't help but wonder what evidence they have, if any, and why are they even talking so openly. If this goes to court, wouldn't they have issues, something along the lines of guilty before even going to court. I understand they want to keep Kyrons name out there, and they think he is alive thats great, wonderful. I don't want to see issues down the road if TH is convicted, and I don't want TH life to be ruin if she is not... kwim?
I want Kyron to be found. He deserves it.

I think by the parents calling out Terri so publicly they are at least making LE work harder (I hope) in exploring all other options, as it would be easy for a defense attorney to say that all the focus was always on Terri. Maybe this is partly why LE is said to be searching again near the school and out on SI again (this was posted today in a search thread, not sure if true.) LE may be going back to the beginning in this case.

I am concerned that if they eventually find Kyron near the school, they might never make an arrest, as being in that location will prove nothing against any specific person, unless Terri WAS seen leaving the school with Kyron. Clearly (to me, anyway) no one else was seen leaving with him, or the focus would not be so heavily on Terri

 

[azmama]

I am strongly thinking that Terri handed him off to a family...

This is my hope, I realize it is probably futile thinking, but even with Caylee Anthony, while I knew clearly that Casey was the reason Caylee was gone, I was hoping with all of my being that Caylee was really out there safe, just given away (or something similar). I have the same feeling for Kyron, my brain tells me this is probably not the case, but my heart is wishing and hoping it is true!

I had a revelation of sorts the other day.

I wondered (not that we'll ever know, I suppose) if Terri watches the soap Days of Our Lives (stay with me here)...one of the current storylines deals with a man who had his child kidnapped and then presumed dead by all (he had some bloody clothes left near a river bank), merely to punish the child's mother, whom he felt deserved it. Later, after he felt she'd suffered enough, he "found" the child himself, and was able to play the part of the "hero".

Snipped respectfully. Normally I would roll my eyes at these soap story lines (who wouldn't), but you are right, these things happen! Wow, that is a weird coincidence! Thanks for pointing this out.

I just can not think of who on earth would risk themselves for TH? Who would do that?

"Without a doubt," Desiree Young said, Terri Horman plotted the boy's disappearance.

"I think it was very planned," she said, sitting next to her husband, Medford police detective Tony Young.

Tony Young agreed.

"I absolutely believe that Terri Horman is responsible for Kyron's disappearance," he said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_1.html

Snipped respectfully. I have been wondering about Tony's take on all of this, him being a detective and all.

I think his agreeing to this statement probably also reflects the opinion of the LE working the case.

 

[gitana1]

I am strongly thinking that Terri handed him off to a family...

Gosh, I really pray you are right. However, why would any family just keep this kid with so much scrutiny out there, the massive investigation, etc. Keeping him opens them up to serious criminal charges. It seems inconceivable. Nevertheless, although signs look very bad, IMO, I am not giving up hope. Miracles happen. I can see him walking through the door one day and coming home.

As to his crying after visits, yes, this is very, very typical in divorced families. The child may cry before or after visits. They love everyone and feel sad about saying goodbye, even though they love the person they are going to see or are saying goodbye to.

But, if his crying is a sudden development, a behavior that was not present before, that may be concerning. It is possible that it's just his age and growing awareness that he does not live with his bio mom, but the fact that he is now missing and the person he lived with is the focus of the investigation may mean the sudden crying is a red flag.

 

[cluciano63]

What family member of Terri's could possibly be unaccounted for at this stage of the investigation? And since they have her phones and computer data, what other person she had been in contact with could be so clever, so impossible to track down, so diabolical, that not even the FBI could track them down? I just cannot find a way to make this theory work for me. I still think that either Terri did something all on her own, or someone else, somehow took Kyron for nefarious purposes and may never be identified or caught, unless some clue is found when/if Kyron is.

I would love to believe in a scenario, for everyone's sake, that has Kyron alive, but I can't wrap my mind around one. I don't like being so cynical and negative, but I can't make anything else work for me. I believe that Desiree and Tony truly believe Terri is the culprit, but that does not make it automatically so. Detectives are not always right either.

 

[coopzoo]

I'm still having such a hard time wrapping my brain around "planning" something like this. What do you do, take notes? Look at your calendar for good dates for an abduction? I can better understand a "heat of the moment" type of thing, but a cold, calculated plan by an otherwise stable and normal-appearing mother and wife??

BBM. Remember, this is the same woman who allegedly tried to have her husband killed. I would call that a cold, calculated plan...and not one to be entered into by a stable, normal woman.

JMO

 

[Littleone48]

I really , really don't like this 'I knew it all along' attitude.

Everything points to TH being involved, being unstable etc. I agree that KH and DY are 100% convinced that TH is involved, responsible. I don't see what announcing it continuously will get them. I don't see how it will convince TH to give up any information. I think it will just make her madder and more vindictive.

It also causes me to ask why DY didn't get her butt over there and protect Kyron. If she lived in the area, even if she did not have custody I bet she would have been at that science fair that morning.

MOO

The one thing that bothers me about this new information is that Terri has been in their lives for 7 years. 7 years is a long time and if D felt uncomfortable or had doubts about how Terri was raising her son why didn't she attempt to have Kryon live with her full-time?

I would also be interested in how many times she attended any of Kryon's activities? I know she lived 1 1/2 hours away but she makes a point to say that she had to work that day. I am just wondering how much she was involved in Kryon's life outside of when he was with her.

If this is something recent Kryon is old enough to ask. Maybe he wouldn't have said anything but I would make damn sure I was comfortable as to who was helping me raise my child!

I dunno first we have the PPD story and now this? Something smells in this case and I just can't put my finger on it.

I want to add that I really don't believe D has anything to do with this. I think she is a heartbroken mother.