Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

[asyousay]

Wow...just reading through the thread a bit. I'm so glad there is some movement in Dylan's case, and hopefully it is a movement toward justice.

It is interesting some of the things that catch my eye, and this is neither here nor there really, but I read a couple of posts citing Dylan's mom not sending him with a jacket in November as an example of her own flaws as a parent.
Now, mind you, I would rather step barefoot in a pile of dog shet than to try and take either side in a contentious divorce, but my thoughts in the jacket are this: Dylan was fourteen. Old enough to know that if he doesn't pack his jacket, it's possible he may get cold. As a parent, I would leave the responsibility of packing a jacket up to him. I mean, I'd suggest it and have it cleaned and ready, but if a fourteen year-old doesn't bring his jacket on a trip, I wouldn't necessarily blame the parent.

Has something new happened today ?

 

[Bayou Mistress]

When Dylan was very young they did get along great. But as he was growing up, and hitting the teen yrs, things were getting rocky.

Mark was estranged from his 3 older sons. [Check your PMs Steely]

What evidence is there that Dylan and his father had anything "rocky?" Dylan had the opportunity to tell a judge if he wanted to spend less time with his father and to me, it looks like he was able to spend a great deal of his time with his father after his mother took him 5 hours away from where he grew up. She moved Dylan with the court's permission, but my guess is that Dylan would have preferred to stay where his dad was, where his friends were.

 

[imamaze]

Ok... If you all can't discuss this case without accusing and attacking I'm going to lock the thread for a while and start giving time outs. Its ridiculous!

Stop telling others how or what to post, stop acting as if something is wrong with each other for thinking the way you think.

If you don't like a post or feel its against TOS alert!

I'm going thru the thread now and I'm going to be giving time outs.

 

[Hejlena]

Has something new happened today ?

Asyousay, I'm a bit late to lunch--I'm just talking about the finding of some of poor Dylan's remains that happened earlier this month.

 

[Lordeebee]

I would really like to know why it was stated as fact that flesh was found. I have not heard this -- can anyone direct me to this information?

 

[asyousay]

Does anybody know if Mark or anybody will be on the radio show tonight?

 

[asyousay]

Asyousay, I'm a bit late to lunch--I'm just talking about the finding of some of poor Dylan's remains that happened earlier this month.

Oooo thank you

Just being in totally different time zones its hard to keep up so i thought i had missed some news.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Does anybody know if Mark or anybody will be on the radio show tonight?

I hope not. No need to feed the fishies.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I agree. In this specific case, Dylan packed a large hooded sweatshirt. It is not technically a 'coat' but it does provide warmth. When my DS was 13 he wore shorts, even in the rain. And he wore hoodies, not coats. It is not that unusual, imo.

Same with my son. He's a polar bear. I was proud to talk him into a thick hoodie (says the woman sitting here wrapped in a blanket while the a/c blasts and her now-grown visiting son is on the couch in shorts and a tee shirt).

 

[margarita25]

I'm not sure about your stats. That's not at all what I'm seeing with missing teen cases:
And let's talk about the specifics of this case:
1. Dad with a history of a volatile temper, abductions of his own kids or violations of child custody orders, domestic violence.
2. A bitter and long divorce case that culminated in the missing child speaking in chambers with the judge about a month before he disappeared, that talk resulting in essentially no communication until the visit during which he disappeared.
3. A kid who did not want to go to his dad's at all.
4. A kid who was a crazy, voracious texter, who suddenly stopped all texting at 9:37 p.m. the night he arrived at his dad's, even though his regular bedtime was between 11:00 p.m. and midnight.
5. A dad who did not contact LE until several hours after he returned home from a morning errand and noticed his newly arrived child was not home. Oh, also, he took a nap before contacting the police.
6. A dad who refused to speak with the mother after Dylan went missing, for months. He notified her by text that Dylan was missing.
7. A dad who reportedly failed his LE polygraph "miserably".
8. A dad who squirmed out of a taking a second one sponsored by the Dr. Phil show.
9. The child went missing in a remote area where not many people live.
10. No credible sighting of Dylan after he arrived at his dad's has been established.
11.A dad who refused to participate in most search efforts or efforts to find Dylan.
12. A dad who has seemed very flat emotionally and concentrating mostly on bolstering his own character or story and bashing the mother, rather than expressing fear or grief about Dylan and who never took responsibility for the fact or expressing remorse that Dylan disappeared in his custody. This is in contrast to a panicky and tearful mother who has been relentless in her efforts to locate her son.
13. A second son who believes the father could have harmed Dylan.
14. Another ex-wife who believes the father could have harmed Dylan.
15. A dad who casually remarked about the condition of his little boy's remains, on the very day it was revealed that the body had been found.
16. A statement by LE that the community has nothing to fear.
17. Zero evidence that LE chose a suspect and forced the evidence to fit.
:moo:

Gitana1, this is a great post.

However, if MR is guilty, none of these factors can convict him in a court of law, I don't think. Isn't all of this considered circumstantial? Unless there is some evidence that LE physically has now which they are not revealing (which I think is highly possible), then IMO not one of these 17 points includes anything concrete which can directly and certainly link MR to Dylan's death.

*I would say #1 is one of the strongest points.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Can anyone, from all the pictures, all the video, show me one picture with Dylan having a cell phone in his hand?

I have sat here for 7 months listening to Dylan being tech savvy, generational, and in ONE interview, Cory stated he loved hiking, throwing the football, camping.

7 months of listening to this. Then in a 3 minute clip, from Cory's own mouth, he liked hiking, camping, throwing the football????????????

:stormingmad:

Well let's see... Dylan grew up in one of the most picturesque areas in the U.S., maybe the world. He played baseball, IIRC he was involved in wrestling, hung out with friends, participated in family events. What's there to take a picture of? What's there to take a picture of? Oh! How about him sitting on a couch texting?

There is multiple MSM quoting various sources who knew Dylan and said he was a prolific texter.

 

[Eileen730]

As well, during the DP show, Mark was trying to indicate a different place, but was interrupted so many times, he never got a chance to clarify what he was trying to state.

In fact for someone that is to be such a "hothead", he never "LOST IT" once. Conversely, I did see other get hot under the collar.

So much for the characterizations so many have blindly accepted, with out proof.

Even LE completely dismissed the one report of DV over 20 years ago. Why is no one asking themselves why we have not even heard who took Dylan to the airport? Anyone?

Have we seen even remotely one timeline of anyone other than Mark? No we have not. Why is no one asking why?

He always indicates a different place because he does not want anyone searching MM
and as I see it this is why he left town... he knew they would find Dylan!

As for him not getting angry on Dr P its possible he was hungover. Violent ppl do not let the public see their violent side only those that violence is directed at. To everyone else hes a nice guy. Who cares who took Dylan to the airport we know he arrived there saf and sound still breathing all in ONE piece.
Mark is the only person we need a timeline for!

 

[Perodicticus potto]

I feel like none of the adults involved in this case have come across particularly well. Poor Dylan!

 

[gitana1]

I believe Mr himself stated that he would now ( a few weeks back) put it on his calendar to remind himself to check in with LE once a week. I know it boggled my mind that a parent would have to do such a thing to remember to check if any progress had been made in finding his child.

Regardless of FB...if you see anyone "spewing vitrol" here, as is so often alluded to, alert on the posts. I have not seen it, or not for long. What I see is a number if people questioning the circumstances of a child who vanished under the supervision of a parent who has behaved in an IMO unusual manner, and also many people question Dylan basically falling off the face of the communicative earth as of Sunday night, to the extent of having ignored texts from his friend with whom he made firm plans, always assuming he was alive to ignore these texts.

Yes, people are suspicious of MR. Even he said he is at the top of LE's suspect list.

And I too believe that LE found Dylan due to cell phone pings.

Yes, and IIRC he said that directly after stating he agreed to contact LE for updates one per week during mediation. Weird. Like that was a compromise.

As well, during the DP show, Mark was trying to indicate a different place, but was interrupted so many times, he never got a chance to clarify what he was trying to state.

In fact for someone that is to be such a "hothead", he never "LOST IT" once. Conversely, I did see other get hot under the collar.

So much for the characterizations so many have blindly accepted, with out proof.

Even LE completely dismissed the one report of DV over 20 years ago. Why is no one asking themselves why we have not even heard who took Dylan to the airport? Anyone?

Have we seen even remotely one timeline of anyone other than Mark? No we have not. Why is no one asking why?

No, he never lost it on stage. But he did say he was so enraged afterward that he had to drink that night and was incapable of taking the poly as a result.

But when it comes to his ability to control, himself and not get hot under the collar in public versus mom's ability, mom's baby disappeared under dad's care. Isn't it reasonable that she would be furious and hot under the collar in her first face to face with the dad?

And is it reasonable for a father to remain that controlled when someone is in his face accusing him of harming his precious child?

Finding random bones? Are you sure of that?

Elaine brought up Dylan's scattered bones in the DP show. Think on that.

I think mom was fully aware of LE's delayed search on the mountain and what they would possibly find there when the search resumed, due to weather, wildlife and passage of time.

Are you sure? I don't believe one can be. Can anyone explain the drain part for me? I think much has been assumed for far too long.

Can you link me to where it states that Dylan's remains were found in a drain?

I don't discount the possibility. Reports thus far indicate scattered remains due to wildlife activity. I can see a wild animal talking part of a body to consume in a covered drain or open ditch.

Then where did he murder him?

Think on that for a while.

I have. In the house. The phone and computer activity and lack thereof of Dylan, as well as forensics taken from the house, and no credible sighting of Dylan by anyone other than dad after he arrived at dad's home, indicate that is the likeliest possibility.

MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO

I've been pondering some of the aspects of the case that bother me most and tried to come up with a narrative that feels consistent to me. I have one that I will outline below, but I will freely admit that others are possible. However, IMO, MRDI provides the most flexibility in explaining some of the otherwise incongruous aspects. But this is just one possible narrative and portraying these as a plausible sequence of events is MOO. I will toss in some IMO's just to reiterate that point.

IMO: MR & Dylan did have a close relationship when Dylan was young (from an interview with RN, the friend he planned to see). Dylan is MR's last form of familial validation.
But Dylan has become a teenager, less interested in nerf football, Dad/son talks at restaurants, and watching movies together (I think most parents of teens have seen this transition). Plus, any respect Dylan may have once had would likely be undermined by the photos.

IMO: They would both be frustrated by the day's delay of the flight, MR because he wanted to see his son, and Dylan because he wanted to see his friends. So, things would likely get off to a bad start, with Dylan wanting to immediately see his friends that very night. MR refuses because he wants bonding time, and there are signs that there were negative consequences to a tiff, at least mood-wise if not physical, in the Walmart footage.

IMO:
Afterwards, MR tried to make it work, letting Dylan pick out the movies and getting McD's takeout instead of the sit-down he had planned. I believe they got home. The search warrant seems to point to at least a few possessions of Dylan's in the house. Maybe Dylan took off his shoes to be more comfortable. They try to watch the movie, but neither is really interested in it and both are in a bad mood.

IMO: MR might become more frustrated by Dylan's continued sullen silence and texting instead of being engaged with him, especially as MR sees himself as making a big effort. I suspect that as a result of that frustration, MR confiscated Dylan's phone before the convo with Ryan was completely finished (which is why Dylan didn't ack the last two msgs). At some point, Dylan starts using the ipod-touch to text, and perhaps MR is initially unaware of that capability. It would be useful to know who those were to and what they said.

IMO: Maybe when MR realized that Dylan is still texting some time soon after 9:37, he flew into a rage. Perhaps Dylan uber-dissed him by bringing up the photos. There may have been a physical scuffle. Dylan may have been accidentally killed on the couch. Maybe there was some evidence of that on or in the backpack (if not blood, which would presumably have gotten elsewhere, then maybe something got smashed inside it or maybe a strap/buckle/cord was visibly damaged in a tussle). At any rate, I am guessing for some reason it was necessary to remove it from the house, and MR had to figure that folks would think he just took it with him.

IMO: Another possibility is that MR confiscated the ipod at 9:37+ and a blow-up happened sometime later, possibly even the next morning.

IMO: In the forensics thread, I noted that I find the missing shoes quite odd, since the laces and a sock were found. You'd think at least one of the shoes would be found in that case. Assuming that info (list of found items) is correct, it makes me think that maybe Dylan wasn't wearing his shoes. Further, we know LE thinks it's a homicide, and while the bones could conceivably bear marks that would make them think that, I think it's more likely the laces are the source of that certainty. Perhaps they were used as staged bindings. Perhaps they were used to make carrying easier (a use for laces I saw suggested on a completely different homicide website). In either case, it wouldn't make sense to put the shoes back on and I suspect they are with the backpack, wherever that is.

IMO: In this scenario, the fishing pole is used to create the impression that Dylan had gone fishing (and subsequently been abducted) and the search would hopefully be concentrated in the wrong location near the lake at least until winter had a chance to erase some of the evidence on the body.

Comments, criticism, and alternatives welcome.

MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO

My theory is very close to yours. If dad killed Dylan, I don;t think it was planned or intentional.

BBM

* That's not helpful. You'd need to be calm and work together to get things done. If all she did was yell at him, that doesn't accomplish anything. JMO

That's very true. But I wouldn't characterize much of what she said on stage as "yelling". Also, I think it is a bit unrealistic or unfair to expect a mother whose son has disappeared and hasn't been seen for 3 months to be calm in the presence of the father who had custody of him at the time of the disappearance, who she believes could have harmed Dylan, especially when it is the first time they have met face to face. I mean, couples who don't suspect one another divorce over the strain of a missing child. This lady suspects him.

** When he brings it up neither their son or her contradicts him.

Yes but again, the court's final orders granting primary physical custody to mom and limited visitation to dad indicate there was ultimately not a serious concern in this regard.

*** I wasn't aware he had limited rights. Do you know why that is?

No. I can only speculate based on the allegations bantered back and forth, the court's orders, the move, dad's schedule, the chamber's conference in which Dylan spoke directly to the judge at the last hearing before the final orders were made, Cory's comments about the type of dad Mark was, Cory's refusal to see his dad or call him dad, past abduction allegations involving Dylan and kids from a previous marriage, and Dylan's reported (by dad) refusal to communicate with his father at all from the time after the hearing until the day before he was reported missing.

I want to add that this was the first time father and son had seen each other or even communicated since that fateful chamber's conference and custody ruling and that that occurred after years or protracted and bitter litigation. I have seen in many cases that the time right after a parent loses a custody battle can be the most dangerous when it comes to possible murders of the children or parental abductions of those children. It is noteworthy to me that this was the first communication since then and that, based on Dylan's last text to mom and his dad's radio statements about what occurred when he landed, this was not a jubilant reunion.

**** Maybe I phrased it wrong. What I meant is she's not blameless for the lack of work by her husband in finding Dylan.

Oh okay. That makes sense.

He wasn't drunk the first day. He drank after the first night. I don't blame him. It was a get Mark episode. JMO

I kind of do. This was his chance to clear his name. He risked that by drinking half a pint and then after, refused to agree to reschedule the poly. And i think it is important to note he said he got drunk because he was essentially enraged by the lack of respect shown to him, the last person to see his son.

I never said people can't say things. I said I think they should back off til things are more clear. JMO

BBM

To respool it, or fix a kink in the line. There are reasons.

My responses in purple above.

This young man R, was Dylan's friend. What does Dylan's friend state about Dylan's relationship with his father? One has to love kids. This young man has NO agenda.

Take the time to listen to what he states.

http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico/alb ... index.html

A child's perception can be important but a few things:
1. Things had significantly changed since the boy could have possibly last seen dad and Dylan and he doesn;t say how long before the visit he saw them together. There is every indication that at one point, things were good between father and son. But that often changes when boys become teens, have stronger, more fully formed personalities and are no longer impressed by a game of catch and dad's attention.
2. People who were close to their children by all accounts, have also killed those same children.
3. People who were perceived to have been close with their children by some, were also perceived to be not close with their kids by others: (casey anthony, josh powell).

Looks can be deceiving.

There aren't too few questions asked. There are too many questions that get asked and then subsequently get deleted. That's why most of us on the fence have given up long ago on this place for fair and balanced analysis. It's also how a particular point of view, when left unchallenged, becomes hive like.

Posts get reported and deleted not when they are irrelevant, but when they challenge the status quo. I've had more posts deleted in these threads over the past 7 months than I have total posts in my profile. It's laughable.

Not sure how long you've been a member but posts get deleted not due to unfair censorship of contrary ideas but only for violations of the TOS.

wrong.

I don't find this to be a productive or amicable response. I made several points as to why I disagreed with yours. "Wrong." addresses none of those points.

I feel I have been polite, reasonable and calm in my posts. I kind of expect the same from others. But I am seeing a ton of anger on here now so I think I will bow out for now.

Take care friends. Love you guys!!!! IBBL!

 

[Eileen730]

Same with my son. He's a polar bear. I was proud to talk him into a thick hoodie (says the woman sitting here wrapped in a blanket while the a/c blasts and her now-grown visiting son is on the couch in shorts and a tee shirt).

Kids don't wear coats anymore! Hoodies!

That's how out of touch Mark is!

Dylan wasn't 5 any longer!

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Well let's see... Dylan grew up in one of the most picturesque areas in the U.S., maybe the world. He played baseball, IIRC he was involved in wrestling, hung out with friends, participated in family events. What's there to take a picture of? What's there to take a picture of? Oh! How about him sitting on a couch texting?

There is multiple MSM quoting various sources who knew Dylan and said he was a prolific texter.

And his phone records...which LE has poured over, yes?...would back that up.

 

[vasportsmom]

Same with my son. He's a polar bear. I was proud to talk him into a thick hoodie (says the woman sitting here wrapped in a blanket while the a/c blasts and her now-grown visiting son is on the couch in shorts and a tee shirt).

Mine too. My husband and I have been together nearly 15 years and I can count the times on 1 hand that I have seen him in pants (outside of work). Our youngest son is just like him. B would go to school in shorts year around if I would let him. The oldest and I will be bundled up like Eskimo's while I'm threatening B with not being allowed out the door if he doesn't at least put a hoodie on and we live in Southwest VA where the winters are generally awful. Some kids just pay no attention to the cold and have a much better tolerance for that sort of weather.

 

[*Lash*]

Just my opinion, and jumping off your post, not saying this directly to you, but...

I think its all too easy to jump on MR's words and make them fit into what people think of him. His comment that "no parent should have to go up there" is no different to what lots of people say at the death of a child - "no parents should have to bury their child". I've heard that said no end of times, but I don't think it means they are thinking about themselves.

I totally agree with you on the statement about "no parent should have to go up there". I was not quoting that interview. I was quoting what Mark chose to say during the vigil. These were his words while he had time at the vigil to speak about his son. Not an interview with a reporter.

"I reached out to Cory earlier. And to Elaine My heart goes out to you. I don't know what to say to you but I'm feeling the same pain that you and Cory are."

 

[Tink56]

Sorry if this has been covered as i have just got home for the evening but is Mark chuckling when he is talking about Dylan and locating all of him ? - it is about 1 min 3 secs in .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixUsq2rGTpQ

His focus is interesting for a father. He says he wants to keep looking for body parts that the experts have told him will probably never be found. He wants to have more parts to bury for a proper funeral.

He does not express an interest in finding the killer. IMO...MOO...most dads that I know would be tearing the countryside apart looking for whoever harmed their child.

"Different strokes" and all that taken into consideration, I find his presentation of his goal and the goal itself odd.

 

[asyousay]

His focus is interesting for a father. He says he wants to keep looking for body parts that the experts have told him will probably never be found. He wants to have more parts to bury for a proper funeral.

He does not express an interest in finding the killer. IMO...MOO...most dads that I know would be tearing the countryside apart looking for whoever harmed their child.

"Different strokes" and all that taken into consideration, I find his presentation of his goal and the goal itself odd.

This is just me and what i think

But i find it so morbid he wants to pick aside the country side to find bits of Dylan. Dylan soul is not in the bones and Dylan is long gone and its best IMO to remember Dylan as the fun , charming , peace keeping kid he was .

Why would any parent subject themselves to trying to locate bits of bone when its no longer the Dylan they knew and loved ?>

This is once again how i feel!!