Ebola outbreak - general thread #5

[Jersey*Girl]

About dogs?

Dogs but broad spectrum, showed they were asymptomatic completely but Ebolavirus was still found in their urine. Also showed its a definite possiblity that it can be spread by an asymptomatic dog that has Ebolavirus and licks a human. It's an incredibly interesting study directly done by the WHO.

 

[bettybaby00]

Per WKYC, Nurse infected is related to three Kent State employees. KSU is (or has) put out a statement to the KSU community.
www.wkyc.com

ETA: They're also saying Vincent never left the home she was visiting while she was here in Ohio. Also saying that when she noticed an increase in her temp, she immediately contacted the appropriate people.

She never visited the school? Did I read that earlier report wrong? Or was it false info?

And I find the "she notified the appropriate people" statement hard to believe. If true one would think they said, "hey get back here ASAP....on a plane? yea sure why not."

 

[Gypsy Road]

Are droplets from a sneeze considered "body fluids"?

 

[loveisthemovement]

She developed a fever, contacted the appropriate people, and THEN FLEW HOME??

 

[Gypsy Road]

I usually can, but then peri-menopause hit. Now I'm flushed more times than not! I will take my temp and it will be 97.something but I wll be burning hot!!! Arrrgh..

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Are droplets from a sneeze considered "body fluids"?

I believe so.

 

[bettybaby00]

She developed a fever, contact the appropriate people, and THEN FLEW HOME??

That's what I'm asking?????? Did she neglect to tell them she wasn't in Dallas when she contacted them? And how did her mom get to Dallas?

 

[Gypsy Road]

She developed a fever, contact the appropriate people, and THEN FLEW HOME??

Oh Jeeze! SMH!!!

 

[oh_gal]

Are droplets from a sneeze considered "body fluids"?

Yes, if someone infected sneezes on you, and your mouth is open, yes.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Or because she is really really sick.

Emory isn't a prison, no need to fly her to Georgia just to keep her in quarantine.

I don't think she was ever under any quarantine at all. CDC is trying to protect themselves. Passing the buck again. Who don't they stop criticizing everyone and do something positive, like HELPING us all.

 

[SweetT]

I'm guessing she contacted someone after arriving home since she had no symptoms prior to flying from what I read.. If she was symptomatic they wouldn't have had her fly home jmo

 

[thesepoorchildren]

Yes, if someone infected sneezes on you, and your mouth is open, yes.

Or if your eyes are open? Correct?

 

[SurfieTX]

This was posted by an ER nurse on Monday, 10/13/2014. She is not the first person I know who works in healthcare to say that there are literally NO plans or protocols in place even for simple things like disrobing protective gear.

I will give you an idea of what it is like right now to be an ER nurse. We have been referred to the CDC site and our own infection control information on the internet. We have 2 ebola packets with gown, face shield, booties in the triage area. We have been instructed to take the patient to an isolation room and expect to do little with them. No blood draws, nothing. That is assuming they are not unstable. Hard to believe that would happen.

So lets say the patient is unstable. I have to go in the room. I put all the gear on. I'm ready to come out. Where do I go to take it off? I'm assuming that we don't take it off in the room. So there is really no place to go to take it off. We can't go out in the hall. We can't walk through the ER to another area. So I guess we stay in the room forever. Little joke there, but essentially we have not been told what to do. Emailed someone about this. Haven't heard back....

http://emergency-room-nurse.blogspot.com/

 

[Gypsy Road]

I used to hold doctors and nurses in a higher regard...but after the stunt Nancy Snyderman pulled, and if the reports are true that this nurse knowingly flew with a fever....or even flew AT ALL knowing she could possibly have contracted Ebola - I totally need to rethink that! I mean I realize humans error all the time...but these are nurses and doctors and this is just basic common sense!

 

[bettybaby00]

Sonjay Gupta on CNN. Whether or not she was told not to fly, she should have known better.

 

[Redux]

Nrdsb4, from my understanding he could have been asymptomatic on the outside but internally the Ebola would be present, in which case it could show in his urine, excrement, spit, sweat. One sec & I'll find what I came across yesterday.

ETA - Found it. Looks like this actually kills 2 birds with one stone so to speak. Dogs definitely can carry the virus and pass to humans. Here's a PDF directly from the WHO and is from a study way back in 2000-2001. 6 pages - all is a must read.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf

I'm not nrdsb4, but just wanted to say thanks for this link Jersey*girl. I missed it the first time you posted.

When the dog of the Spanish nurse was euthanized, I really didn't know whether they were doing the right thing or jumping the gun, but that study sure points to the fact that dogs may be a concern in terms of transmission, or at the very least shouldn't be disregarded as such.

From your link:

Given the frequency of contact between humans and domestic dogs, canine Ebola infection must be considered as a potential risk factor for human infection and virus spread. Human infection could occur through licking, biting, or grooming. Asymptomatically infected dogs could be a potential source of human Ebola outbreaks and of virus spread during human outbreaks, which could explain some epidemiologically unrelated human cases. Dogs might also be a source of human Ebola outbreaks, such as the 1976 Yambuku outbreaks in Democratic Republic of Congo (19), the 1995 Kikwit outbreak, some outbreaks that occurred in 1996 and 2004 in Gabon and Republic of Congo (5), and the 1976 (6), 1979 (20), and 2004 (21) outbreaks in Sudan, the sources of which are still unknown. Together, these findings strongly suggest that dogs should be taken into consideration during the management of human Ebola outbreaks.

Though I'd think that they could have just quarantined the dog, but I'm no expert, so IDK.

 

[SweetT]

This was posted by an ER nurse on Monday, 10/13/2014. She is not the first person I know who works in healthcare to say that there are literally NO plans or protocols in place even for simple things like disrobing protective gear.



http://emergency-room-nurse.blogspot.com/

Sounds like in this case the person is just left to die who needs a hospital for that?

 

[cuffem]

I don't think she was ever under any quarantine at all. CDC is trying to protect themselves. Passing the buck again. Who don't they stop criticizing everyone and do something positive, like HELPING us all.

Dr.Friedmen needs to step down and put someone else in charge who will be proactive and not wait til a day later to take action.

 

[Sonya610]

Bump for nrdsb4. Did you happen to see this link?

). Other animals
such as guinea pigs (15), goats (16), and horses (17)
remain asymptomatic or develop mild symptoms after
experimental infection, but Ebola virus infection has never
been observed in these species in the wild. Thus, dogs
appear to be the first animal species shown to be naturally
and asymptomatically infected by Ebola virus.

If anyone even wants to THINK about blaming dogs for this mess, my dogs don't travel to distant ebola infected countries.

If my dogs get exposed to the Ebola virus it is because *I* messed up and got exposed to other contagious humans and then infected them.

 

[TexMex]

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/


“Those who have exposures to Ebola, she should not have traveled on a commercial airline,” said Dr. Frieden. “The CDC guidance in this setting outlines the need for controlled movement. That can include a charter plane; that can include a car; but it does not include public transport. We will from this moment forward ensure that no other individual who is being monitored for exposure undergoes travel in any way other than controlled movement.”
Frieden specifically noted that the remaining 75 healthcare workers who treated Thomas Duncan at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital will not be allowed to fly. The CDC will work with local and state officials to accomplish this.