Emergency custody papers filed by mother of JI's son 11/14/11

[ThoughtFox]

Has anyone seen a pic of baby lisa being held by mommy all i have seen she is alone in a seat or standing at the door. Usually they give out a pic of the child with Mommy.

I never take pics of myself, and never took pictures of myself with the kids, and my husband is terrible with a camera. The only pics I have of myself with the kids are on Christmas morning, or at the family party.

 

[linajoy]

Sorry if this has been covered... but is it possible LE could be "pushing buttons" behind the scenes to speed up the custody battle and get the boy to the mother. They then MAY have full access to question the boy about the events of Lisa's disappearance with no lawyers(JT) involved. Just a thought...IMO!!

 

[OneLove]

While we know just about nothing about custodial issues in this specific situation, I have previously listed several reasons why SOME people maliciously deny custodial rights to the other parent. There is one BIG one that I left out, partly because it is close enough to home that it is hard to discuss. My stepdaughter's husband is very open about retaining his custodial rights primarily because he says he will NEVER pay his ex-wife a cent of child support. He is rude and obnoxious about it and I can tell you that he is adamant to the point of obsession. He has not ONE concern for what is in his son's best interests and is only concerned for his bank account He primarily ignores his children and my stepdaughter has raised his children for him. She loves the kids and knows they are innocent victims. She was willing to overlook this character flaw in him until she began to think about divorce and now she realizes he will fight HER tooth and nail for custody for the very same reason and then ignore HER children too.

I don't know if this is what happened in this case, just know that it happens. Have we heard this father speak out in opposition to his son having a relationship with his mother, or has he not spoken about the situation at all?

 

[Nixie]

While we know just about nothing about custodial issues in this specific situation, I have previously listed several reasons why SOME people maliciously deny custodial rights to the other parent. There is one BIG one that I left out, partly because it is close enough to home that it is hard to discuss. My stepdaughter's husband is very open about retaining his custodial rights primarily because he says he will NEVER pay his ex-wife a cent of child support. He is rude and obnoxious about it and I can tell you that he is adamant to the point of obsession. He has not ONE concern for what is in his son's best interests and is only concerned for his bank account He primarily ignores his children and my stepdaughter has raised his children for him. She loves the kids and knows they are innocent victims. She was willing to overlook this character flaw in him until she began to think about divorce and now she realizes he will fight HER tooth and nail for custody for the very same reason and then ignore HER children too.

I don't know if this is what happened in this case, just know that it happens. Have we heard this father speak out in opposition to his son having a relationship with his mother, or has he not spoken about the situation at all?

I haven't seen where Debbie or Jeremy have spoken out about custody issues, just the exes (well Debbie isn't divorced but they have been separated for years so assume calling him her ex is ok).

 

[Dr. Know?]

Plus DNA. I think, if they have Debbie's DNA, Mitochondrial DNA, they can link or disqualify her bio brother, herself possibly & Lisa's DNA, to who did what plus identify Lisa, if found. But they would need JI son or mother's (Mitochondrial DNA) from her to help id DNA in the house. So, I was so hoping the mom would step up to help save the son from having to have DNA taken. I hope she can. sorry, wiki link

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA"]Mitochondrial DNA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Dr. Know?]

Wouldn't it just be the friggin' pits if no one would submit to DNA test for the boys to be eliminated possibly? No words.

 

[Whisperer]

Okay, who's keeping track of the attorneys guided or retained? Here comes another one needed to argue custody.

1. O'Brian
2. Short
3. Joe T.
4. Joe P.
5............

Have I forgotten any? I know one of these had a bunch of law students on board to discuss case as some time.

 

[Whisperer]

1. BF works the night shift, comes home @ 3:40 or so to find his daughter "gone".
2. GF is blacked out/passed out, didn't hear a thing.
3 GF has brother and they both want to party after significant other leaves for work.
4. GF fails poly.
5. They move out of the residence where the child was kidnapped.
6. They hire three attorneys, stop talking to LE.
,,,,,,,,,,, and now we have a custody battle approaching.

Are we in Kansas City or Satsuma? :waitasec:

 

[Whisperer]

Possibly if DB was the only parent here, the other children might be temporarily removed, but since the father is there and presumably was not negligent himself, that may be part of why the children are deemed safe at home.

Not another custody discussion. :anguish:

 

[hambirg]

I just want to say in the defense of this bio mom. . .I think you all need to go back and read the court dockets.

It's a pretty good outline of what happened.

There's an administrative order filed in 2008 which gets denied.

Two months later is the hearing where RR didn't appear. . .but neither did her attorney! What does that tell us? Attorneys show up for court hearings unless there is a scheduling snafu.

A week later RR files for temporary custody through her attorney. (I take that to mean that JI had physically custody at that time. What does that mean? Maybe he kicked her out. Maybe she left.)

A few days later JI is served with the summons to appear and both JI and RR are sent a parenting plan, booklet and pamphlet.

Another hearing is missed by RR AND her attorney.

Shortlly after that an answer to the motion for temporary custody is filed by JI's attorney.

Several months later we have "Parent Education Not Excused" with regards to both JI and RR. I take that to mean that they were both ordered to take parent education classes, but hadn't yet.

A month late we have the same "Parent Education Not Excused"

Three months later we have a motion to dismiss by JI's attorney for "failure to prosecute." My question is failure to prosecute what??? I have my suspicions. All MOO but my brother is a family court prosecutor and tries mostly DV cases. . .and nothing pisses him off more than "failure to prosecute."

Three months later we have a hearing, which btw JI didn't show up to either, only the attorneys present, where the motion to dismiss was sustained. Idk what the story is but the court didn't grant the temporary custody to RR because of the "failure to prosecute" filing.

A month later the motion is sustained "without prejudice."

Sooooo. . .it doesn't sound like RR didn't want her son and just didn't care or show up. I don't know what the ins and outs of the story is, but there are things that can be inferred from the court dockets. . . none of which support some of the things that have been thrown around here.

MOO

 

[Whisperer]

Sounds just like Crystal Sheffield. People raked her over the coals for two years and still would if given the chance. She fought hard and many were saying terrible things about her and that she didn't "really" love her children. OMG! I don't think I could tolerate that process again. It was wicked....real real wicked..

 

[shrek]

I never take pics of myself, and never took pictures of myself with the kids, and my husband is terrible with a camera. The only pics I have of myself with the kids are on Christmas morning, or at the family party.

LoL, I always imagine my daughter will say 'where were you?' :bang: in all the pictures of her everywhere and with everyone else... BECAUSE I'M the one taking ALL the pics!:bang:

 

[starburst]

I have tried to read as many posts as I can to see if my questions/thoughts have been covered, but there are SO many. Please forgive me if I am rehashing. I have not been on since Lisa went missing. I live in the KCMO area so have followed since the beginning.
First: I too have wondered if anyone saw Lisa that night other than the parents? (ie: the neighbor drinking with mom on porch)
Second: I really dont buy much into the dog sniffing death in the bedroom, mainly because I thought they were trained on decomposition. Surely the baby wasnt already decomposing? I wondered if it was possible that the baby rolled off the bed and broke her neck? Mom fearing for her drunken state, disposes of body. If the dogs hit on fluids, it would have to be from the mouth (Vomit) because the baby would have on a diaper. I dont think they are trained to hit on vomit smell, are they?
My other thought is, if it was a random robbery and he stumbled upon the baby, why would he take her? Possibly thinking he could sell her? Or perhaps much like the people that stalk pregnant woman and cut the babies out, someone stalked her and wanted her baby and waited for the right time? Whatever scenerio...we know we are NOT dealing with wealthy, smart people so they would certainly mess up somewhere or say something to someone? Such as the phone call made from the cell phone. What worries me about that is that, once a bumbling criminal discovers its not that easy to sell a baby, or hide one from the public...they probably panic and kill the victim. How sad.

My big question is, and we wont know the answer...Did they find the wine box? I know it would not be big enough for a baby to fit inside, but if the wine box was gone, then the trash was taken somewhere. Was it in the house anywhere?

This one perplexes me. I dont like the first time I saw the mom on tv...didnt like her comments. As a devastated mom, I would be unable to communicate. Her husband was doing just fine talking, and she butted in to his statement, as if to bring attention to herself. It was too contrived. I have felt suspicious of her story, and the fact that the child disappeared on the first night the husband was working the overnight shift. I would want to know how long it was known to them that he would be gone overnight on that night...for the first time?

Sadly, my guess is we may never know.

 

[JohnBull]

What worries me about that is that, once a bumbling criminal discovers its not that easy to sell a baby, or hide one from the public...they probably panic and kill the victim. How sad.

Either that or they abandon the child somewhere and it dies of exposure.

 

[serveitup]

The timing is awful for this poor little guy who has enough going on in his life. Good question about custody, it always speaks volumes when a mother does not have custody or visitations with a child, who does that. I could not go a day without seeing my kids, let alone have someone else raise them. It would be interesting to hear how or why JI got custody of this son.

You are right. So now "mom" is going to do the little guy justice and take him away from his brother and the life he has known? There is a lot more to being mother than giving birth. So DB took a night off and is paying the price (but I can't say it would have changed anything). What about this woman who has been away for years? Chances are she doesn't have a leg to stand on. The judge will want to see evidence and will not take all these allegations flying around.

 

[stilettos]

You are right. So now "mom" is going to do the little guy justice and take him away from his brother and the life he has known? There is a lot more to being mother than giving birth. So DB took a night off and is paying the price (but I can't say it would have changed anything). What about this woman who has been away for years? Chances are she doesn't have a leg to stand on. The judge will want to see evidence and will not take all these allegations flying around.

DB did not just "take a night off". Taking a night off is leaving another responsible party to care for your children. DB left three minor children without care, one an infant who she failed to protect by her actions. As a parent, you don't get to do that. IMO, that is called neglect and there are provisions in MO law to remedy that.

 

[serveitup]

DB did not just "take a night off". Taking a night off is leaving another responsible party to care for your children. DB left three minor children without care, one an infant who she failed to protect by her actions. As a parent, you don't get to do that. IMO, that is called neglect and there are provisions in MO law to remedy that.

I don't drink and I raised 5 kids; most my own. But I can tell you if they take away peoples children because they drink (not to mention worse) get ready because they are going to take away half or more of the populations children. I don't excuse her for doing so but at least she put her down for the night before starting the wine party. I've heard of people being so messed up they baked their kids in the oven, cooked them in the microwave and all kinds are crazy stuff or just didn't know any better than leave them to explode in the car in hot weather while they visited a hospital patient. I just don't think drinking wine to the point of maybe being drunk equals killing your child.

 

[stilettos]

I don't drink and I raised 5 kids; most my own. But I can tell you if they take away peoples children because they drink (not to mention worse) get ready because they are going to take away half or more of the populations children. I don't excuse her for doing so but at least she put her down for the night before starting the wine party. I've heard of people being so messed up they baked their kids in the oven, cooked them in the microwave and all kinds are crazy stuff or just didn't know any better than leave them to explode in the car in hot weather while they visited a hospital patient. I just don't think drinking wine to the point of maybe being drunk equals killing your child.

BBM No it doesn't. What it does = is a parent who cannot drive a child to the hospital in the case of an emergency. A parent who has no idea of her child lay in a feces filled diaper all night. A parent who cannot be responsible for the welfare of two little boys. A parent who is so drunk that they fail to protect (if it was an abduction) their baby. Since she admits a black-out drunk...there is no way for her or us to know what she might do to her children. That is why you never leave minor children unprotected in the sole care of a person over the legal limit of consumption or in the care of one who admits to her drinking to the point of blackout drunk. For the life of me I cannot figure out why it is acceptable for some in our society to be so drunk you cannot care for your children.

 

[cityslick]

BBM No it doesn't. What it does = is a parent who cannot drive a child to the hospital in the case of an emergency. A parent who has no idea of her child lay in a feces filled diaper all night. A parent who cannot be responsible for the welfare of two little boys. A parent who is so drunk that they fail to protect (if it was an abduction) their baby. Since she admits a black-out drunk...there is no way for her or us to know what she might do to her children. That is why you never leave minor children unprotected in the sole care of a person over the legal limit of consumption or in the care of one who admits to her drinking to the point of blackout drunk. For the life of me I cannot figure out why it is acceptable for some in our society to be so drunk you cannot care for your children.

It's not acceptable, but do you have any proof that she's a raging alcoholic? That this kind of thing happens on a frequent basis, where the kids are being neglected all the time? If you got some proof that DB was known to buy and drink wine multiple times during the week while she was watching the children, then you got a case (pretty strong one).

It's not acceptable, but it does happen in isolated incidents. If we start taking away kids for every indiscretion that we deem as 'neglect' then there are going to be a ton of kids either a) in foster homes or b) with non-custodial parents.

 

[tehcloser]

My thoughts on this? The judge will handle it, this side show does nothing to bring Lisa home.