Evidence #2

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

And, does anyone else find it odd that it doesn't appear that Raven was contacted for comment regarding the pregancy? Or if he was, he apparently declined to comment? But if someone has declined comment, don't they usually put that in the report?

Yes, they do. And that's a very good point. They would say that Mr. Abaroa couldn't be reached for comment or declined our request for an interview or something like that.

Perhaps they didn't reach out to him for comments since if he is innocent, it might be a bit on the insensitive side to do so. Then again, the media isn't often worried about being tactful.

 

[LTUlegal]

Yes, they do. And that's a very good point. They would say that Mr. Abaroa couldn't be reached for comment or declined our request for an interview or something like that.

Perhaps they didn't reach out to him for comments since if he is innocent, it might be a bit on the insensitive side to do so. Then again, the media isn't often worried about being tactful.

That's what I thought, too. I would've thought that at least ONE of them would have asked, "Mr. Abaroa, did you know your wife was pregnant at the time of her murder?" But maybe LE has told them not to, to let them hang him. Although, it would be sort of nice to see it recorded, sort of like the sp interviews. Let his own words hang him.

 

[terminatrixator]

I ain't wiz'n on anyone's wheaties today, I did that yesterday and felt like crud.

OMG that's the icon the icon I always and forever wanted for CTV is here - I swear that's so me....:doh::doh::doh:.

Anyhow, I believe the reporter is the same reporter that wrote on Raven's blog and I don't think Raven would want to talk to her, and I'm really wanting to hear a statement of any kind from Raven.

Raven, your wife and child were murdered. What do you have to say? When was the last time you you called LE to see how the case is going? Do you care?

Woops, guess I forgot that I wasn't to wiz on anyones wheaties today.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Anyhow, I believe the reporter is the same reporter that wrote on Raven's blog and I don't think Raven would want to talk to her, and I'm really wanting to hear a statement of any kind from Raven.

It's definitely the same reporter. I had forgotten all about Raven's apparent dislike of and/or disinterest in the reporter. So we can be fairly certain that Raven, himself, did not pass along to the reporter the position of Janet when he first discovered her that night.

 

[golfmom]

It's definitely the same reporter. I had forgotten all about Raven's apparent dislike of and/or disinterest in the reporter. So we can be fairly certain that Raven, himself, did not pass along to the reporter the position of Janet when he first discovered her that night.

It's interesting that all this time has gone by and he hasn't made even one media plea.

 

[mysteriew]

It's interesting that all this time has gone by and he hasn't made even one media plea.

I can excuse a lot of things. A bereaved person can throw themselves into activity after activity in order not to allow themselves time for thinking. A bereaved person has even been known to reach for warm comforting arms. But the fact that he hasn't made a plea for public assistance in finding the murderer, now that one really bothers me. Even OJ and Peterbutt gave lip service to a plea of help to solve the case. His whole attitude seems to be "just don't even remind me I was married". But then I don't understand the family not speaking out either. Even the most reserved of the victim's families step up to the podium occasionally to ask for public assistance in solving if they get the opportunity. I just don't understand.

 

[terminatrixator]

I honestly believe because of the publicity that Durham, NC received during the Michael Peterson trial that LE has persuaded the family to keep a low media profile. I guess in this instance, the family is still in shock and feels like that have no clue what they are suppose to do.

I believe LE is tight-lipped more because of the repercussions of the Michael Peterson trial, especially with the new appeal coming forward, that they don't want to taint jury pool, or whatever problems intense media scrutiny brings as in the Scott Peterson trial.

I guess since we are not in their shoes, they are still in shock, and have no clue what to do, and are still getting over their shock, that may be why they are not all over the media.

Another thing, I think with Raven's personality, there may be some hesitation because of his horrible temper. I'm just guessing.

 

[lauriej]

I see what you mean. While one inch, (if I'm interpreting the diagram correctly), seems to be much to large to appear as a gunshot, I can honestly see how someone might confuse the two, especially if in a state of panic or shock at the time.

.........i'll agree............i can't say that i could identify a gunshot wound from a stab wound...........especially in a panic...

........however.......if i was ever wounded in an attack of any sort, and my husband "thought i was "hurt"...............once i recovered ,he'd better have clothing soaked in blood from his attempts at helping me!

......from my recall, raven found her........."tried to help her" ( per 'rooster's postings' ) and yet was downstairs waiting on LE when they arrived........
...he wasn't AT HER SIDE while she "was hurt" and maybe dying ???
...his clothes weren't drenched in blood from comforting her ???
...the above 2 statements have always bothered me..................still do.......

 

[lauriej]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....i had remembered 'rooster's' posting on how he had info that raven tried to save janet.............but went looking for the actual post.....

Rooster 06/11/2005

"This blood is from Raven Running to get his phone out of the durango...After he found Janet...tried to save her ...ran outside(getting blood on the door) to get his phone from the Durango. The door was locked...back inside to get Janets phone or keys to the Durango.

This evidance will not "hang" Raven. LE knows all of this...still, Raven has not been arrested or charged or named a susspect. He is innocent!

...( and i recall from 'back then' we did a lot of discussing on WHY go all the way outside to get his phone from a locked vehicle anyway ? why not just grab the nearest phone in the house, janet's ??why WOULD mr. tech himself have left part of his own body..........his cell-phone.......IN the vehicle to begin with ???)

...but...........in looking for that particular post by rooster, what really catches my eye today is that no less than 3 times does rooster, ( on his own, without alluding to raven this time ) mentions the possibility that this was a case of rape.........i had NOT remembered that at all..........

06/11 evidence:
Rooster:

I don't know who. But I have theory...I think someone was watching her and the house, with intention's to rape her.(I hate even typing this...it make's me sick.) They waited until Raven left to his game. Now keep in mind if they had been watching the house they probably knew if they saw Raven leave in his Soccer clothes, with his soccer bag. (don't know if he had one...I'm just speculating.) Then they would know they had (however long), as long as a soccer game take's, to do what they intended.
I think Janet fought the rapest/murder and he killed her. I think maybe he was only intending to rape. But ended up killing her because she fought back.
He then probably ran...

06/11 evidence:
Rooster:

Unless, he DIDN'T necessarily WANT to murder her and when he saw that he did he ran. Maybe the motive was only rape. ???


06/12 evidence:
Rooster:

Jenifred found some information about rape's and murder's in the same area. So, it's a possibility. (Look at discussion #4

This is all theory.

.........rooster appeared to have " insider info" from raven himself in his posts.........as if he were a close friend perhaps...

...but why all the 'rape' as a possible motive ??
...discussion 'back then' was going fast and furious all over the place, but it sure caught me by surprise to read tonight that rooster was on this rape motive tangent for a couple of days ....

...i do wish that rooster would come back now and help to clear some things up..........

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

......from my recall, raven found her........."tried to help her" ( per 'rooster's postings' ) and yet was downstairs waiting on LE when they arrived........
...he wasn't AT HER SIDE while she "was hurt" and maybe dying ???
...his clothes weren't drenched in blood from comforting her ???

Well, we honestly don't know if his clothes were covered in blood. I still haven't learned anything about that one way or the other.

But about him waiting outside ... you are so right. We've talked about the house being set back pretty far from the road and all of the trees, etc. But since it was April, perhaps you could still see through the trees to the street. I wonder if he was running up and down the driveway to look for them or if he was able to see the street from the porch.

Was Janet already gone when he was waiting? If not, why WASN'T he with her? Was he told to wait outside, (doubtful)? If the ambulance would have driven right past the house while he was on the porch, would he have been able to stop them anyway or would his time have been better spent holding his wife after turning on the porch light and propping the door open with something to make the house more noticeable to LE? The waiting outside for LE has always bothered me as well, just as the "gunshot" call has, just as not knowing where Kaiden was has.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

To play devil's advocate a second -

according to the text of the warrant application:

"Off. Williams advised this investigator (Early) that when he arrived at the scene, he spoke with a Mr. Raven Abaroa, who advised that his wife was upstairs, and that she was hurt. Off. Williams entered the residence...."

So, is it possible that Raven had been upstairs, and came downstairs simply to open the door when Off. Williams knocked/rang the bell, whatever?

I always was under the impression as well, for some reason, that Raven was outside, etc. But, perhaps not? It's not like I especially enjoy giving Raven the benefit of a doubt in this situation, far from it, but in re-reading some things, could we have been making an incorrect assumption about this particular information?

That said, I STILL think the use of the word "hurt" is very odd...

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

...but...........in looking for that particular post by rooster, what really catches my eye today is that no less than 3 times does rooster, ( on his own, without alluding to raven this time ) mentions the possibility that this was a case of rape.........i had NOT remembered that at all..........

That IS interesting now that you mention it. Could it be just a theory? Could it be someone trying to steer our thinking in another direction?

I wonder why a rapist would snatch a laptop on his way out though?

Maybe it's someone Janet was corresponding with innocently that was "flirting" with her online or in e-mails? I guess that if there's anything to that, the newly seized computer activity information will help.

But how odd that Rooster would say that - we've never heard anything about missing or torn clothing or anything, have we?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

SES, I thought that we had heard for sure that he was waiting outside. I can't remember now as we've been talking about this all for so long and have talked ourselves in circles several times.

I wonder ... what door did LE come to? Was there any blood on that door or would they even mention it if they knew that it had come from Raven touching the door to let them in?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Does anyone remember what, if anything, was missing from the house? And if anything was missing, how, when, and by whom was it discovered? ETA: At this point, maybe it is a good idea to discuss other possible motives.

 

[terminatrixator]

I really don't buy into this "Rapist" theory whatsoever or someone waiting for Raven to leave and knowing the timing of how long Raven would be gone.

Why is he justifying the blood on the doors. The blood they found was on the side door/back door, is that where Raven's vehicle was?

Raven in letting in the police, would also have been carrying Kaiden, wouldn't he, because the 911 operator told him to go get Kaiden, who was crying.

Also, if she was still "hurt" as Raven claims, wouldn't he be there still, trying to put pressure on the wounds and staying at her side.

I think this whole thing by Rooster is nothing but bunk.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Why is he justifying the blood on the doors. The blood they found was on the side door/back door, is that where Raven's vehicle was?

I think we've heard that it was. I've always found it remarkably convenient that Raven had to run in and out to get the phone. It's a good story to have handy just in case you may have inadvertantly left some blood behind. Then again, if you were going to do that, why the part about the door being locked? You'd say that you were in the vehicle as well, wouldn't you? Then again, this account DID come from Rooster so it could be inaccurate as we really have no idea of knowing if Rooster is legitimate.

Raven in letting in the police, would also have been carrying Kaiden, wouldn't he, because the 911 operator told him to go get Kaiden, who was crying.

Good point. Unfortunately, we've had no way to determine where Kaiden was one way or the other. But you know what seems strange to me now that you mention it? If Raven believed that Janet was "hurt" when he made the 911 call, why on Earth would the operator tell him to go get the crying baby? Wouldn't the recommendation be to stay with the victim if there's a chance she's still alive? And why didn't he say "No way, I need to help my wife - she's dying?" I suppose it could be a safety issue in case the perp was still in the house. I'd pay really good money to hear that 911 call now.

I think this whole thing by Rooster is nothing but bunk.

I think that the rape thing most likely is. But I've always believed that Rooster knows Raven or someone very close to Raven. And his seeming knowledge of the house, the lack of phone service in the house, Raven's actions after arriving home, etc., piques my curiosity. I hope it's piqued LE's as well.

 

[golfmom]

But I've always believed that Rooster knows Raven or someone very close to Raven. And his seeming knowledge of the house, the lack of phone service in the house, Raven's actions after arriving home, etc., piques my curiosity. I hope it's piqued LE's as well.

If we take Rooster at his word here he did indicate that he was getting all this information directly from Raven.

 

[Tammie63]

I don't have time to research it but correct me if I am wrong Rooster stopped posting around the same time or soon after Raven headed back to be with his family. I sent Golfmom a PM around that time because I felt that ROOSTER was suspicious..I found the two bird names strange and the fact that "Rooster" seemed to be building trust to only steer this board away from believing Raven had anything to do with the murder. Call me nuts but at the time I wondered if Rooster wasn't Raven. I still do. Golfmom when I sent you that PM I just wanted someone with good knowledge of the case to tell me I was full of it and that Rooster was just someone that perhaps knew Raven etc. I never got a reply back but as I said before I still feel that ROOSTER was RAVEN and with the investigation/questions etc of this board was making him a bit nervous so he tried to gently steer this board to thinking someone else did it. Hope this make sense.

 

[golfmom]

I don't have time to research it but correct me if I am wrong Rooster stopped posting around the same time or soon after Raven headed back to be with his family. I sent Golfmom a PM around that time because I felt that ROOSTER was suspicious..I found the two bird names strange and the fact that "Rooster" seemed to be building trust to only steer this board away from believing Raven had anything to do with the murder. Call me nuts but at the time I wondered if Rooster wasn't Raven. I still do. Golfmom when I sent you that PM I just wanted someone with good knowledge of the case to tell me I was full of it and that Rooster was just someone that perhaps knew Raven etc. I never got a reply back but as I said before I still feel that ROOSTER was RAVEN and with the investigation/questions etc of this board was making him a bit nervous so he tried to gently steer this board to thinking someone else did it. Hope this make sense.

Tammie63! I am soooo sorry I didn't reply back to you. I LOVE to get pms and enjoy corresponding with folks here at WS ... so I don't know how I missed replying to you.

Can we have a do-over? :blowkiss:

Regarding Rooster, we all buzzed around with different ideas of who Rooster might be at one time or another. I must caution you though that trying to out another member is a violation of tos. That said, my pet theory is it was not Raven, but a close family member ... maybe a brother ? ? ? Who might have given him information and suggested what to post.

 

[mysteriew]

Rooster stopped posting back in June. However, he/she signed back on as recently as 08/02. I also considered the idea that Rooster was Raven, but then like Golfmom I decided it was a relative (or maybe the younger bro of a close friend). And probably young. And he/she was probably desperate to find a scenario that would explain the murder, that didn't involve Raven. When I read Rooster's posts, he proposed no less than three scenarios: burglary, revenge by a fired employee from when Raven was a manager, and rape. But, for someone who he said was close to Raven- he gave nothing to back up any of his own scenarios. And when questioned about his scenarios- he wasn't able to answer the questions that resulted. (actually he/she became miffed that no one would believe any of the scenario's.) So he/she is probably still reading. Just not going to post any more.