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Great post, just wanted to add, their job is to try and discredit evidence or get it thrown out all together, the same goes for witnesses. Their job is to create reasonable doubt.
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Great post, just wanted to add, their job is to try and discredit evidence or get it thrown out all together, the same goes for witnesses. Their job is to create reasonable doubt.
The tape is put on while Caylee is alive...so firmly and tightly that removing it wouldve cause great pain, skin loss, as well as hair loss. There was no intention to remove it.
Duct tape to stage kidnapping...NO WAY...only Caylees eyes were left uncovered...so she could see...but not breathe. That is NOT kidnapper MO. That is suffocation.
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Duct tape to stage kidnapping...NO WAY...only Caylees eyes were left uncovered...so she could see...but not breathe. That is NOT kidnapper MO. That is suffocation.
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Fusion bartender talks about KC's unchanged behavior after the last date when Caylee was seen alive.
http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/20...y-partied-in-a-club-while-caylee-was-missing/
Fusion bartender talks about KC's unchanged behavior after the last date when Caylee was seen alive.
http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/20...y-partied-in-a-club-while-caylee-was-missing/
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attack the post not the poster. Do not put words in my mouth please.
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I think the pig had a little help from the animals, but I did not see anything actually fall. OMG, these videos were awesome, thank you.
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I do not know of any official document that says the tape was placed on Caylee while she was alive. I do not know of any official document that says the tape was put on firmly and tightly. Is that just your opinion?
I was only responding to those that believe the tape was the reason that it could not be an accident. I think we should hold out for cross examination and defense expert testimony with cross to determine what purpose the duct tape was actually used for. This is no disrespect to the Dr J at all. I am sure she is looking forward to cross and a chance to explain her report. Most Dr's invite a second opinion.
The Dr said the manner of death was homicide, which includeds accident and the cause of death could not be determined.
I personally do not believe it was an accident, but I am not sure. IMO
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Would there be any logical reason or explanation of why a two year old deceased child had duct tape on her nose/mouth/skull??? How can anyone explain that away without having nefarious reasons why! This is an evil deed, done by an evil person, IMO...sinister as they come...
It's my belief, Dr. G, was not rushed to come to her conclusion. It took a week for her to tell that the remains found were that of missing tot, Caylee Marie. She was thorough, she took many things into consideration to come to that conclusion.
I am hoping, Caylee did not suffocate to death, I am hoping she did OD and therefore fell asleep, never to awaken. I do feel the duct tape was placed for affect, to coincide with her nanny theory. Her parents would fall for that, in her mind she's thinking this. No one would believe I did this for I was a good mother...as she so thinks. Good moms do not give their children medicine so they'd sleep while the parent partied. Good moms are not jealous that their child is the grandparents pride and joy, the apple of their eyes. She's a cold hearted person who didn't think twice about taking Caylee's life. She brought her into this world and she can take her out! Inmate Anthony has lost sight of reality many years ago. Caylee was nothing more than a play thing, once that novelty wore off, Caylee had to go. She's in the way. Once TL told her he'd rather have sons than daughters, is another reason Inmate Anthony found this so easy to do. Caylee stood in her way of finding the right man, Caylee stood in the way of her party lifestyle. Those letters prove it all...I still dont' understand why Baez didn't motion to have these letters supressed. He couldn't have read them or he is tired of playing nice to Inmate Anthony. Maybe this is his way of telling her the jig is up and think about pleading guilty...at least I'm hoping!
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If it were an accident, the way Caylee was found discounts it. It can no longer be viewed an accident, IMO. One simple call to 911 and she could have faced no charges, or a simple neglect charge.
It's my belief, Dr. G, was not rushed to come to her conclusion. It took a week for her to tell that the remains found were that of missing tot, Caylee Marie. She was thorough, she took many things into consideration to come to that conclusion.
I am hoping, Caylee did not suffocate to death, I am hoping she did OD and therefore fell asleep, never to awaken. I do feel the duct tape was placed for affect, to coincide with her nanny theory. Her parents would fall for that, in her mind she's thinking this. No one would believe I did this for I was a good mother...as she so thinks. Good moms do not give their children medicine so they'd sleep while the parent partied. Good moms are not jealous that their child is the grandparents pride and joy, the apple of their eyes. She's a cold hearted person who didn't think twice about taking Caylee's life. She brought her into this world and she can take her out! Inmate Anthony has lost sight of reality many years ago. Caylee was nothing more than a play thing, once that novelty wore off, Caylee had to go. She's in the way. Once TL told her he'd rather have sons than daughters, is another reason Inmate Anthony found this so easy to do. Caylee stood in her way of finding the right man, Caylee stood in the way of her party lifestyle. Those letters prove it all...I still dont' understand why Baez didn't motion to have these letters supressed. He couldn't have read them or he is tired of playing nice to Inmate Anthony. Maybe this is his way of telling her the jig is up and think about pleading guilty...at least I'm hoping!
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If it were an accident, the way Caylee was found discounts it. It can no longer be viewed an accident, IMO. One simple call to 911 and she could have faced no charges, or a simple neglect charge.
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BBM respect for notthatsmart...I think that in a nutshell is why we are all so intrigued by the case. We can argue motive (KC felt perhaps tied down, didn't want to have a child that early). We can argue about when, where, how Caylee died. It is the how that has everyone arguing. What I think for me falls flat in the face of the evidence is the duct tape. Why duct tape a child's mouth if she died accidentally? It makes no sense. Some have said to keep fluids from leaking...but as gross as it is...a decomposing body leaks everywhere...hence what I believe was her death smell and fluids in the trunk of KC's car. But if it was an accident...why not just leave the corpse alone?
Personally, I believe that KC's parents feel guilty for something...the fight...KC leaving the house...maybe not picking up the phone that day...but I truly believe they don't have a reason to feel responsible for what ultimately happened because KC would have done, IMO what she did on any other day...she never wanted the responsibility of Caylee and yet Caylee was her meal ticket...the means to stay at her parent's home, rent free...I think her parents are lucky to be alive. Meaning that I think KC planned on offing them as well. But that is just my opinion.
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Also, Dr. Garavaglia didn't have a horse in the race. Her job is to scientifically observe the facts, follow the facts, and come to the only conclusion possible. She didn't say Casey killed her child, and she doesn't consider who or why, only what killed this child. She said this death is a homicide.
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Thank you nts, precisely the point I was getting at.
The insects and animals, as well as a couple inches of water or even a strong wind would have caused the skull to fall away from the mandible.
The fact that it stayed put and had to but cut away, tells me imo the tape did not just float up and adhere to her skull. I would be interested to see an experiment with a mammal with a similar skull/jaw makeup or cadaver with duct tape applied.:twocents:
And you're welcome, if you are curious and you've got a strong stomach, you can find some human decomp time lapse on youtube as well.
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Well thanks to your videos I will never eat again...but they were informative and TY for providing them for us. I still wonder about the tape. Why LE/DA's office thinks there was an actual murder...if Caylee's prints or teeth marks were on the tape that would I suppose support a charge for the DP. JMO. I have proof of nothing.
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:laugh: Videos like that are what caused the light bulb in my head to go off and say wait a minute; "flesh is flesh", resulting in my becoming vegetarian (transitioning to vegan). A dead pig in a field is carrion but one on the slaughterhouse floor is dinner :waitasec:
ITA, I hear you Bitty. This waiting game and wondering is eating away at us all :banghead:
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I know. The natives are getting restless. We need more information. The waiting game is starting to chap at everyone's hides. But the decomposition videos you provided do explain one thing to me...no way duct tape would be needed in this eventuality. Not one thing about the duct tape makes sense. Not one. Other than murder. And well, I hope Caylee didn't suffer very much. Obviously. I think I could speak for all posters on that count. But why if the death were an accident would you put duct tape on a dead child? If you wanted to go the kidnap route after the fact...it still is implausible to me. The tape must had to have been the primary means of death. Which is what the DA said in open court. We could all see by KC's violent reaction to JA's account of what the state believes happened that something triggered in her. Whether it was because he got some of the "details"' wrong or because she hates being called out for what she actually did...I have no idea. Not a professional profiler.
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I'd be just fine with KC having a tv in her cell as long as that decomp video of the pig's head was streamed 24/7 and she couldn't turn it off or change channels.
That was truly disturbing.
IMO, I don't think questioning interpretation of the autopsy or accompanying reports ahould be read as accusations of a conspiracy theory, so let's get away from that please.
If I could ask Dr G or Dr. S questions about the report I have 2 questions i would like answered.
1.if it can be ascertained with medical certainty that the tape was applied to the nose and mouth pre-mortem then why is that not the cause of death? The implication is that she could have had the tape applied pre mortem but actually died from something else.or is it that that the tape cannot be determined to be the cause of death because they cannot say for sure that it was applied tightly enough to stop her flow of O2 and she died of something else.
2. When Dr. G says the tape was applied prior to decomposition does that mean it was applied post mortem but prior to decomposition? or does it mean it was applied pre mortem and prior to decomposition? Why didn't the report stae that the tape was applied pre-mortem?
I do understand that decomposition begins immediately after death,but differentiating between pre decomposition and pre mortem is a very subtle but critical piece for me as it relates to premeditation and/or accidental death.
If I could ask Dr G or Dr. S questions about the report I have 2 questions i would like answered.
1.if it can be ascertained with medical certainty that the tape was applied to the nose and mouth pre-mortem then why is that not the cause of death? The implication is that she could have had the tape applied pre mortem but actually died from something else.or is it that that the tape cannot be determined to be the cause of death because they cannot say for sure that it was applied tightly enough to stop her flow of O2 and she died of something else.
2. When Dr. G says the tape was applied prior to decomposition does that mean it was applied post mortem but prior to decomposition? or does it mean it was applied pre mortem and prior to decomposition? Why didn't the report stae that the tape was applied pre-mortem?
I do understand that decomposition begins immediately after death,but differentiating between pre decomposition and pre mortem is a very subtle but critical piece for me as it relates to premeditation and/or accidental death.
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BBM respect JBean...I think that is why despite not having an actual cause of death that I pretty much fall on the side of the fence that the tape was not used as a means of coverup that it was applied to intentionally cause death. Whether KC meant to just throw Caylee in the trunk and as a means of keeping her quiet so she could have a "date" night I have no idea. But I do not believe the tape was applied on her mouth and possibly nostrils after death. I just don't. But then again I am no expert. JMO.
HI LB35. I hear you and don't disagree. i think what is really bothering me is that the report does not say the tape was applied pre mortem.(AFASIK and I could have totally missed it)
If Dr G clarifies that and says that the tape was definitely applied pre mortem I would take that at face value and that would answer my question about that once and for all. If it is standard protocol to refer to pre mortem as pre decomposition in an ME report, that too would be satisfactory to me.
My other question is why they cannot call that as the COD if there is no chance it was anything else. KWIM? To me the implication is it could have been something else, but perhaps not very likely. If Dr.G testifies that while she cannot state that the COD was caused from the tape application, but that her medical opinion is that it did, that would also be enough for me to believe that the tape was the "murder weapon".
If she puts out a supplemental report or testifies to those things, all doubts will be gone for me.
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I totally understand what you are saying. Which is why some of us are all riled up. Something you have to deal with more than most (ie moderating). I am guessing...and I totally wish my dad were still alive because he was a totally awesome pathologist...that it was applied pre mortem. But since the remains were skeletonized we will never know. UNLESS...there are some prints of Caylee's on the tape. I always wondered about the one portion found on her shirt...if perhaps she managed to get one piece off of her. Which is why I suppose the LE asked GA about whether or not Caylee could pry certain things apart. But then again, JMO, which is as good as any in this case. LOL.
But if the ME can ascertain that the tape was applied pre-decomp can she not determine if it was applied pre-mortem? If she cannot determine it was applied pre-mortem then why are we saying it was? KWIM? Again, if she can state that it is her opinion that it was applied pre death, but cannot say it on an autopsy, that would be enough for me. her opinion is really all I would need.
My father was also a doctor LB and I miss him too While he probably could not help us answer this specific question, he could make us look better while we are figuring it out;he was a plastic surgeon :floorlaugh:
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