Evidence

[natsound]

Good Morning Bakersmom, IMO you hit the nail on the head.

Hi Toledo and thanks for the OP. As much as I grew to dislike Mark Geragoss I heard him as a TH last week, and what he said comes from all the experience he has had in high profile cases like this.

He said when not withstanding everything else evidenciary, it is going to boil down to Casey's actions after Caylee disappeared and the difficulty her lawyers are going to have in explaining this to a jury.

As to Circumstantial vs Real Evidence, on that show it was also pointed out how a circumstantial case can be and usually is much stronger in showing the truth. They said it is then like a puzzle with the pieces being laid in place to where the truth is shown beyond a reasonable doubt.

One thing a lot of posters don't realize is that any evidence examined in a lab is forensic or circumstantial evidence. Fingerpprints, Bugs, blood, substances found in remains, hair, botany, etc. C evidence also includes any electronic evidence like wiretaps, phone records and cell tower pings.

I could be wrong, but have seen very little Real Evidence in this case. Someone said they saw Casey exiting those woods, but I do not know if that is a fact or not. It might have been that huge park where Joe wanted to search. If Casey made any incriminating statements to friends that would be RE.

At this point I see a strong Circumstantial case which will be very difficult for her attorney's to combat. IMO

If this is circumstantial evidence (above in bold), then what is physical evidence??

 

[norr]

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ugh - I can't remember now who posted this.

 

[yeknomaras]

well getting a judge to sign a search warrant on the home on a saturday, and serving several search warrants on the house since Caylee's body was found tells me that they have strong evidence to link the A family to the scene. i am confident that LE has plenty now to tie *someone* to the body, and the body to the house.

time shall tell. the State has stepped up and made sure that nothing leaks out about what they found. this is a great thing, even though it keeps us guessing.

 

[MissJames]

If that WAS Caylee's book from the video ,in the crimescene photo,that will be a key piece of evidence.
I've been trying to figure out why she would have put that in the bag.Could some evidence be on the book? blood or chloroform ?
Also ,there will be no nanny fingerprints on anything.

 

[norr]

I think the only possible defense Casey has is to throw her mother under the train. I do believe that Cindy knows so much more than she lets on and I also believe that it is possible that she's involved in Caylee's death. I really want to know what evidence was collected along with Caylee's remains and why the A's felt the need for immunity. I have always felt since day one that Cindy and George are lying about the events of the 15th and 16th. It honestly wouldn't suprise me to find out that Cindy was in the house while Caylee was killed and somehow responsible as well. JMHO

You know at the time Cindy was going bezerk and calling the police.... I don't think Casey ever dreamed her mother would call the police/would do something like that. I think at that time - Cindy would have thrown Casey to the wolves or whatever. All she wanted at that point was Caylee. Who knows where this case will end up. You know?

 

[natsound]

If that WAS Caylee's book from the video ,in the crimescene photo,that will be a key piece of evidence.
I've been trying to figure out why she would have put that in the bag.Could some evidence be on the book? blood or chloroform ?
Also ,there will be no nanny fingerprints on anything.

Can someone post the pic? I never saw it. Thanks in advance....

 

[scandi]

If this is circumstantial evidence (above in bold), then what is physical evidence??

Hi Toledo, I was just thinking about that when I read your post. , lol.

I thought there were only 2 kinds of evidence, C and R. and R is witness testimony. I think by physical evidence you mean things like the book, photos, shoes, etc or anything found at the scene or used in court taken from the car, house, etc. right?

I think those things are still circumstantial evidence, but am not sure. I hope someone comes along who will know the answer.

 

[JBean]

Right now... without knowledge of fingerprints on the tape or anything else from the remains... what physical evidence can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was KC's doing? Nothing circumstantial, please.

That what was Casey's doing? murder? accidental death and cover up?

Circumstantial evidence is often the best evidence of all and often the only evidence.

 

[Mrs.Peacock]

Casey is truly her own worst enemy. Had the story been "my daughter was abducted/missing/kidnapped" MINUS all of the ZFG details that clearly can not be qualified, there certainly would have been more reasonable doubt. But given that behavioral evidence is not the topic here I would say that it comes down to two areas:
1. Evidence found at the scene
2. Decomp in the trunk

Take away those two items and I personally believe that leaves a great deal of reasonable doubt - as seen by a jury-- based on purely physical evidence.

 

[eve]

Hi Toledo, I was just thinking about that when I read your post. , lol.

I thought there were only 2 kinds of evidence, C and R. and R is witness testimony. I think by physical evidence you mean things like the book, photos, shoes, etc or anything found at the scene or used in court taken from the car, house, etc. right?

I think those things are still circumstantial evidence, but am not sure. I hope someone comes along who will know the answer.

Generally, the two types of evidence in a criminal case are direct and circumstantial. The former proves the existence of a fact directly, and can come from one having knowledge of a fact. The latter is evidence requiring an inference. If someone sees the burglar taking jewlery out of the safe (and they are believed): direct evidence. If someone sees a person running away from the burglary site with a duffel bag: circumstantial evidence.


Eve

 

[Litany]

Yeah and her mother probably made up the story about the nanny too and made her tell it. However they have police reports of her demanding that she gave Caylee to the nanny.... so it will be interesting at best to see how she turns that around now...if she does. She probably will. She isn't going to give up a rock star life over her mother. JMHO

Who is to say though, that Cindy and Casey didn't decide to use the nanny story? True, the nanny doesn't exist but did Cindy know that at the time? This is the same woman who called 911 in a panic and then sat down with her daughter to make a myspace page while waiting for the police. I don't know how Casey would be able to point the finger completely at her mom but I think she has a very good chance of at least bringing her down with her.

 

[MomofBoys]

Looking at those websites, it strikes me how many are from different areas of the country.

Imagine moving to LA or Philadelphia to start a new life as a big city escort, alone, with a two year old in tow.

Her alternative? Leaving her with a mother she resented deeply.

Anyway, I think whatever is in that bag is probably huge, tape notwithstanding. That will be the dagger, I think.

Evidence we know about? Any of the stuff that links a deceased Caylee to her trunk. Cadaver dog hits in the yard. I think a jury would see the former as more definitive.

 

[MissJames]

I think the only possible defense Casey has is to throw her mother under the train. I do believe that Cindy knows so much more than she lets on and I also believe that it is possible that she's involved in Caylee's death. I really want to know what evidence was collected along with Caylee's remains and why the A's felt the need for immunity. I have always felt since day one that Cindy and George are lying about the events of the 15th and 16th. It honestly wouldn't suprise me to find out that Cindy was in the house while Caylee was killed and somehow responsible as well. JMHO

Wow,my initial reaction was no way,because of the 911 calls.
Then I started thinking about it.
The Anthony's knew the tow yard guy recognized the decomp smell. What if they decided to get ahold of KC and then cal 911 to cover themselves collectively.They gave themselves time to get KC,clean the car and come up with a story.
It's a big stretch given all that has happened,but it could explain why they have gone to such lengths to protect KC.

 

[mydailyopinions]

One thing that stands out in my mind more than anything else right now is the fact that she called 911 when the protesters were getting out of hand at the home. She didn't call because it was the right thing to do, she called because she was either afraid for herself, or afraid for her parents. Now most kids her age, who hadn't done anything wrong, and wasn't afraid, would have went out and defended her parents..Not Casey though..this to me shows further that what happened to Caylee was not an accident at all. If at any point and time she was afraid, she would have called LE way before her mother did 31 days later. I certainly hope that when she spews the accident crap, that LE uses that against her..

 

[Manny]

Any evidence that connects the trunk of her car to the remains found near her home. Any fibers from the trunk/remains. Any fibers from the home is not really usefull because Caylee lived in that home. Body fluids trunk of car, found any residue inside the black bag.

 

[flnana]

Wow,my initial reaction was no way,because of the 911 calls.
Then I started thinking about it.
The Anthony's knew the tow yard guy recognized the decomp smell. What if they decided to get ahold of KC and then cal 911 to cover themselves collectively.They gave themselves time to get KC,clean the car and come up with a story.
It's a big stretch given all that has happened,but it could explain why they have gone to such lengths to protect KC.

But why would CA have involved Amy and told her all those negative things about KC? The only time, imo, that CA sounded scared in the 911 calls was during the last one. In the other 2 she just sounded mad. If you have ever had teenagers, you recognize that tone.
After the fact is another story. I keep coming back to GA in the interview he gave (the one CA didn't know he was giving) when LE was telling him to get control of CA and he said that he had tried and had explained to her about obstruction of justice, but that she wouldn't listen.
I believe that the physical evidence that has been listed is enough, but I would feel much better if they had fingerprints on the tape. I think that would be the deciding factor for any juror who was on the fence. There would be no way to explain that away.

 

[MissJames]

Can someone post the pic? I never saw it. Thanks in advance....

here is a crime scene photo. The book Caylee was reading in the video appears to be in the lower center of the pic....yellow pic.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3087962&postcount=509

 

[MissJames]

But why would CA have involved Amy and told her all those negative things about KC? The only time, imo, that CA sounded scared in the 911 calls was during the last one. In the other 2 she just sounded mad. If you have ever had teenagers, you recognize that tone.
After the fact is another story. I keep coming back to GA in the interview he gave (the one CA didn't know he was giving) when LE was telling him to get control of CA and he said that he had tried and had explained to her about obstruction of justice, but that she wouldn't listen.
I believe that the physical evidence that has been listed is enough, but I would feel much better if they had fingerprints on the tape. I think that would be the deciding factor for any juror who was on the fence. There would be no way to explain that away.

That's why I say it's a stretch .

 

[natsound]

here is a crime scene photo. The book Caylee was reading in the video appears to be in the lower center of the pic....yellow pic.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3087962&postcount=509

Thank you MissJames!!

 

[natsound]

That what was Casey's doing? murder? accidental death and cover up?

Circumstantial evidence is often the best evidence of all and often the only evidence.

The first degree murder that Casey is accused of.