2009.10.02 JB & TM on Early Show

Status
Not open for further replies.
Casey's defense team can go on television news show and tap dance all it wants. It can go down to the corner and yell her innocence to a crowd of people. They can buy billboards around town and throw up ads announcing she is innocent.
However, I'll repeat what my attorney always says : Will it hold up in court?
 
Are you talking about the Nancy Grace show? I will read the transcript tomorrow when they post it. Thanks for the info.


Ps.. Nancy Grace quotes the National Enquire a lot. I dont put a lot of stock in her show, but I enjoy watching it...


Saved you some work.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/02/ng.01.html

CLIPPED:

KATHI BELICH, WFTV: That`s right. They are really releasing some documents that are state documents before the state released them. And one of them talks about how, microscopically, the duct tape that was found stretched across Caylee`s mouth was dissimilar to the duct tape found on the gas can. Now, that`s microscopically speaking, which simply means they look different. And you have to remember that the duct tape stretched across Caylee`s mouth was facing the elements for months in the Florida heat. So of course, they would look different.

And you might remember the FBI tested the adhesive on both pieces of tape, said they were chemically the same, and that those two pieces of duct tape could actually have come from the same roll.

You just mentioned the information that they`ve just released concerning the hair. That test that they were talking about a couple days ago was actually done early August. It was after that that more tests were done on that hair, and then it was concluded that the hair did show signs of decomposition. So that test came before other tests. The tests are coming to us out of order. You can`t read too much into that.
 
Oh, JG...you have such a sweet heart. But, I think that George and Cindy felt the BAM! the moment they smelled the car.

Yeah, I agree. The one thing that really got to me was when Cindy was saying something about a pizza. It's obvious Caylee's corpse was in the trunk...we all know that. Cindy is a nurse. She knows the smell of a dead body...so does George. I myself know the smell of a dead body, most doctors and nurses know this smell - and it's a smell that cannot be compared to anything else...it's distinct, once you smell it, you'll always know exactly what it is...you never forget the smell of a dead body. How can Cindy stand by her daughter and keep insisting she's innocent when she knows that Caylee's little tiny body was in the trunk of that car? Maybe it's b/c she feels responsible that she let her daughter down by not being a proper parent? Maybe she feels guilt b/c she was somewhat overbearing & controlling? I just wish she'd do the right thing, for once, and get her frickin' daughter to tell the truth. Maybe she'll get the dp taken off the table in doing so. It seems as though Cindy is aiding & abetting. How in the world can a nurse such as her, and her husband who used to be a cop, not know the smell of a dead body? They have to know that smell. I think they started covering for their daughter from the minute George left the police station after his initial questioning.

Something I haven't heard much about...maybe Musikman would know (or anybody really). Remember when the idea of Lee being charged with obstruction was being reported? I don't remember perfectly, but I think it had something to do with evidence tampering, or removing of potential evidence? Anybody remember what I'm talking about? I'm wondering if it had to do with the computers harddrive. I thought I read somewhere something about the harddrives being wiped clean. Has any of that stuff popped up in the docs?
 
LOL. Save the Redbull for the morning, you'll need it. :)

Been a long day, must... get... some... sleep.... will upload in the morning. Have a good night ya'll!

BTW Sleuther, I LOVE your sig!

Musikman, I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for all that you provide to this forum. It takes alot of time and money. You are very much appreciated. Thanks so much!

:blowkiss:
Jersey
 
At first I thought she was guilty of something. I figured the SA had nothing because she was in and out of jail. Once They indicted her for murder, I still thought she was guilty of something. On Dec 11th I thought she was guilty of killing her daughter. By the 19th of December? Well by then the doubt begin to start with me. Roy Kronk story begins to eat at me. Then in each doc dump there is nothing new for SA. Then new twist. Tapes, Dominic Casey, Jim Hoover. Then the judge sealing some of Dominic Casey interview. Each little bizzare twist begins to add up. Now I wasn't born yesterday.. If things don't make a whole lot of sense, then there is someone else in the picture. I have seen this my whole life.
Now comes this new doc dump and the SA has no physical evidence. Yes I still think she is Guilty of something. I am here to provoke thought and learn from everyone. When I post something it may make some people angry, but my goal is to get someone to post something that I hadn't thought of.
In the begining I thought she was guilty. Then slowly as docs begin to get dumped and the bizzare twist, I begin to question my own opinion
BBM KC was in and out of jail because she posted bail.There was so much media attention over the bail [posted twice] that I'm surprised you missed that part.The bail was quite high.Leonard Padilla ring a bell? What a guy!
 
Yeah, I agree. The one thing that really got to me was when Cindy was saying something about a pizza. It's obvious Caylee's corpse was in the trunk...we all know that. Cindy is a nurse. She knows the smell of a dead body...so does George. I myself know the smell of a dead body, most doctors and nurses know this smell - and it's a smell that cannot be compared to anything else...it's distinct, once you smell it, you'll always know exactly what it is...you never forget the smell of a dead body. How can Cindy stand by her daughter and keep insisting she's innocent when she knows that Caylee's little tiny body was in the trunk of that car? Maybe it's b/c she feels responsible that she let her daughter down by not being a proper parent? Maybe she feels guilt b/c she was somewhat overbearing & controlling? I just wish she'd do the right thing, for once, and get her frickin' daughter to tell the truth. Maybe she'll get the dp taken off the table in doing so. It seems as though Cindy is aiding & abetting. How in the world can a nurse such as her, and her husband who used to be a cop, not know the smell of a dead body? They have to know that smell. I think they started covering for their daughter from the minute George left the police station after his initial questioning.

Something I haven't heard much about...maybe Musikman would know (or anybody really). Remember when the idea of Lee being charged with obstruction was being reported? I don't remember perfectly, but I think it had something to do with evidence tampering, or removing of potential evidence? Anybody remember what I'm talking about? I'm wondering if it had to do with the computers harddrive. I thought I read somewhere something about the harddrives being wiped clean. Has any of that stuff popped up in the docs?
Mornin'JG,
There's so much to remember! I need to go back to the LA thread to refresh my memory.That's the thing about the defense bringing up just one or two items on the news shows.They believe we have forgotten about all the other eveidence! It won't matter that a potential jury member heard them because once the SA lays out her case everyone will know what happened.
 
It is the states burden to prove she is guilty. The defense does not have to say anything. It is the states resposibility to catch the real killer.

Obviously that does not work in the court of public opinion, but it does in the real court.

The Defense does not have to say anything- correct- but would an innocent person EVER do that?
Any innocent person accused of a crime like this would be full of righteous indignation.
What she is not prepared to say in court is as incriminating as what she has said.
 
Dear P

I think that email is exactly what they are referring to and I'd sure like to see the report that is referenced in that email as being "on Cary's desk" as I believe it would further explain the parenthetical statement in the email that says "I can't say absolutely that the hair came from a dead body but is consistent..." Do you know if that report has been released and if it has where to find it?

I think it's a stretch to say the report says it's NOT from a decomposing body when I agree with you that the intent was to say that it is consistent with a hair that would come from one but that there could be some far-fetched reason that the defense could come up with for a single hair to appear that way - especially in light of the 2nd email you mentioned which was also written by the same person on the same day just a few hours later.

I've not read the report itself but that doesn't mean it isn't in docs already released. I haven't read everything we've seen but I'd like to read that one. Does anyone know if it has been released?

added in edit:

I went back and did some reading to see if I could find the actual report referred to in the email. It was included in the 1/21/09 doc dump and was dated the same day of these emails. (Pg 3329) The item number is Q12.1 which was a hair from Q12 which was debris from the left side of the trunk liner. Q12.1 "exhibits characterisics of apparent decomposition at the proximal (root) end" (Pg 3335 has the mitochondrial DNA analysis showing the hair was either from KC or Caylee.)

So what happened was that the report was written the morning of 8/1/08 and stated the hair exhibits characteristics of apparent decomp and then an email was sent at 12:01pm as follow up to clarify that the examiner cannot say that it absolutely came from a dead body but that it was consistent with having come from one. The 3:59pm email stating that if another hair was found the case would be stronger that it came from a body was written in hopes of finding additional hair(s) amongst other evidence that had been gathered.

The emails weren't written to say that the hair didn't show signs of decomp or to dispute the report that says it exhibits characteristics of an apparent decomposition.

(Sorry I couldn't provide an actual link as I found these reports on my computer but hope that anyone who wants to find them can do so as they were included in the 1/21 doc dump and note the page numbers 3329 & 3335 referenced above.)

bumping up so that anyone who read my earlier post can also read the edit I added today with additional information
 
Theres no heart sticker
Theres no dna
Theres no fingerprints
Theres no decomposing hair
Theres no matching duct tape.

The states case is falling apart before our very eyes.

Evidence leading up to the crime is very important to me.

There IS other evidence that points directly to Casey.
Forget the duct tape.
(The duct tape that is made in Ohio where the Anthony's previously resided.)

Evidence leading up to the crime?

It was premeditated by Casey.
Google searches for:
Household weapons
How to make chloroform
Zenaida Gonzalez
(Find a "Zanny" in the area & blame it on her)
George was told that there were a 'thousand photos' of Casey online (embarrassing pics)
Casey deleted 1500 photos from her Photobucket


Casey told her family "Caylee was nearby"
 
Despite anything we have seen coming from the prosecution, I think that the lack of information coming from the defense will be just as damning in court to Casey..For example: Where is a composite sketch of this so called Nanny that took Caylee? Casey complained that no one came in and did one from the Sheriff's department..fine..but where is the one that Baez should have had done? He didn't mind hiring H Lee to come on to the case, but couldn't hire someone to draw a composite of a woman that Casey swore took her child? Baez himself could have sent that into the media. Not counting the fact he hired AL who has never lost a death penalty case (yet IMHO)..why go for the one person who has never lost a case involving the death penalty if you really think the state's evidence is a bunch of carp?
Baez can go on every national tv program in this nation and spew his crap about how a technician screwed up the tape, how there is nothing linking Casey to the crime, how he believes in his client..but is providing no explanation as to why he is not going out in the public trying to find the real killer considering how he believes in Casey so much..blah..blah...blah...:croc:
She is fried..no doubt about it!
 
What else really burns me up is not only these people going on the morning shows....BUT, the morning shows for INVITING/ALLOWING them to come on.

KC is portrayed as a mother "wrongly accused" of her childs murder by her defense team. When CA and GA go on any shows...their daughter is portrayed by them as mother of the year....and of course, wrongly accused by LE, in some sort of sinister plan to pin the murder on their innocent daughter, KC.

I'd like to know WHY these shows don't have some expert...NOT Baden or Weicht....but an independant forensic expert that can go over the evidence released that PROVES that KC did this to her child....like the trunk evidence....talk about how the Body Farm does analysis and how it's NOT JUNK SCIENCE.....talk about the damning LIBS results which found super elevated amounts of the electrolytes/minerals that come from the body fluids released in the first stages of decomposition in her trunk. Talk about the cadaver dog hits on the trunk....the "pizza" tests....the facts showing the "flip side" of this "mother of the year"....oh, my.....better stop....:sick:
 
The Defense does not have to say anything- correct- but would an innocent person EVER do that?
Any innocent person accused of a crime like this would be full of righteous indignation.
What she is not prepared to say in court is as incriminating as what she has said.

What's interesting is that her supporters initally stated she could not talk because Caylee was in danger if she did. But, they stated at her bail hearing, I believe, that if casey was released from jail, she would be better able to give clues and/or secretly talk to someone. She never said anything of value upon her release.
More important, after Caylee's body was found, casey continued to keep silent. If danger to Caylee was a moot point after her remains were found, why the need to remian silent at that point? Especially if one's statements would lead to casey's release AND the arrest of the "real killers"? Why? because it's all b.s.. casey cannot talk because the real killer is she.
 
There IS other evidence that points directly to Casey.
Forget the duct tape.
(The duct tape that is made in Ohio where the Anthony's previously resided.)

Evidence leading up to the crime?
It was premeditated by Casey.
Google searches for:
Household weapons
How to make chloroform
Zenaida Gonzalez
(Find a "Zanny" in the area & blame it on her)
George was told that there were a 'thousand photos' of Casey online (embarrassing pics)
Casey deleted 1500 photos from her Photobucket


Casey told her family "Caylee was nearby"

Darn it! I was going to, but forgot to add to my list a few pages back, that casey deleted 1500 photos, which her friends said were mostly of Caylee, from her photobucket, shortly after that date that Caylee was last seen by anyone other than casey. That is compelling evidence to add to the rest! Thanks for the reminder!
 
What else really burns me up is not only these people going on the morning shows....BUT, the morning shows for INVITING/ALLOWING them to come on.

KC is portrayed as a mother "wrongly accused" of her childs murder by her defense team. When CA and GA go on any shows...their daughter is portrayed by them as mother of the year....and of course, wrongly accused by LE, in some sort of sinister plan to pin the murder on their innocent daughter, KC.

I'd like to know WHY these shows don't have some expert...NOT Baden or Weicht....but an independant forensic expert that can go over the evidence released that PROVES that KC did this to her child....like the trunk evidence....talk about how the Body Farm does analysis and how it's NOT JUNK SCIENCE.....talk about the damning LIBS results which found super elevated amounts of the electrolytes/minerals that come from the body fluids released in the first stages of decomposition in her trunk. Talk about the cadaver dog hits on the trunk....the "pizza" tests....the facts showing the "flip side" of this "mother of the year"....oh, my.....better stop....:sick:

MTG - I thought the same way in the beginning about these "shows" letting them come on...then I realized that every single time they do, they look even more stupid than what they did before they gave their interviews. They'd be better off if Casey said it was an accident and tried to attempt a plea, imo. Every single time I see them on tv now, all I can do is laugh. I'm certain a ton of people out there feel the same way. Let 'em hang themselves! It's as if everyone on the defense team has something to prove...some examples: Jose Baez lying (or exaggerating) on his website about how many cases he won & needs this case to bring in clients...Kenney-Baden is still known as Michael Baden's wife (not so much as a lawyer, even though she's a damn good one)...and Henry Lee screwing up by hiding evidence in the Spector case - Yeah, they all have something to prove right about now. Hmmm...makes a person wonder, huh??
 
Darn it! I was going to, but forgot to add to my list a few pages back, that casey deleted 1500 photos, which her friends said were mostly of Caylee, from her photobucket, shortly after that date that Caylee was last seen by anyone other than casey. That is compelling evidence to add to the rest! Thanks for the reminder!

I had totally forgotten about that! Wow---so add the strange deletion of Caylee pics with the 31 days, decomp in trunk, abadonment of smelly car, no emotion over "disappearance" of Caylee, and all the lies told to investigators and it looks like a done deal to me! Thanks for reminding me! :woohoo:
 
Despite anything we have seen coming from the prosecution, I think that the lack of information coming from the defense will be just as damning in court to Casey..For example: Where is a composite sketch of this so called Nanny that took Caylee? Casey complained that no one came in and did one from the Sheriff's department..fine..but where is the one that Baez should have had done? He didn't mind hiring H Lee to come on to the case, but couldn't hire someone to draw a composite of a woman that Casey swore took her child? Baez himself could have sent that into the media. Not counting the fact he hired AL who has never lost a death penalty case (yet IMHO)..why go for the one person who has never lost a case involving the death penalty if you really think the state's evidence is a bunch of carp?
Baez can go on every national tv program in this nation and spew his crap about how a technician screwed up the tape, how there is nothing linking Casey to the crime, how he believes in his client..but is providing no explanation as to why he is not going out in the public trying to find the real killer considering how he believes in Casey so much..blah..blah...blah...:croc:
She is fried..no doubt about it!
Hey, I'm still waiting for the pics the PIs took in Georgia. Why haven't they been handed over to anyone?
 
What else really burns me up is not only these people going on the morning shows....BUT, the morning shows for INVITING/ALLOWING them to come on.

KC is portrayed as a mother "wrongly accused" of her childs murder by her defense team. When CA and GA go on any shows...their daughter is portrayed by them as mother of the year....and of course, wrongly accused by LE, in some sort of sinister plan to pin the murder on their innocent daughter, KC.

I'd like to know WHY these shows don't have some expert...NOT Baden or Weicht....but an independant forensic expert that can go over the evidence released that PROVES that KC did this to her child....like the trunk evidence....talk about how the Body Farm does analysis and how it's NOT JUNK SCIENCE.....talk about the damning LIBS results which found super elevated amounts of the electrolytes/minerals that come from the body fluids released in the first stages of decomposition in her trunk. Talk about the cadaver dog hits on the trunk....the "pizza" tests....the facts showing the "flip side" of this "mother of the year"....oh, my.....better stop....:sick:
You would think they would. I bet that would bring in even more viewers...subsequently higher ratings. I think they're all wanting exclusives come trial time so they're playing nice now.
 
I have followed this case from day one... I have gone through a lot of threads here and also the docs. I have found there is nothing new, as a matter of fact, all it is is links to news reports that have been out there for months. Where did I contradict myself? I will correct that if you can find it. I hope you can get past this newbie stuff, there is a whole world of information out there other than websleuths.com I love this site because a lot of people think of things that I have not.

ps. I do think she is guilty, but I am not sure.....



BBM

I think what I bolded is a start.
 
What is the reason/gain for "swaying public opinion"? If a jury are people that are not familiar with the case? I don't understand what they gain with "us" thinking anything?

TIA

$$$$$$$$

(and they're trying to taint the jury pool)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
154
Guests online
7,224
Total visitors
7,378

Forum statistics

Threads
627,547
Messages
18,547,427
Members
241,329
Latest member
NoraBanycky
Back
Top