Family battling Children’s Hospital to bring teen home for Christmas #2

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BCH isn't treating her parents, and they are not treating her either. Her care is back at Tufts.
Furthermore, I very much doubt there are lots of teenagers with more sever case of a somatoform (assuming she has somatoform to begin with).
She can't even walk and hasn't been able to for a long time.
If that is not severe, I don't know what is.
 
Also, by the way, medical conditions can, and are, managed on inpatient psychiatric units.

If Justina needed medication for a chronic condition, and visits by specialists, she surely had that during her admission. No question in my mind. Psychiatrists, in my experience, don't hesitate to involve internal medicine or other medical specialties when needed. Psychiatrists don't want to manage, for example, heart conditions and blood pressure medications. They work as a team with the medical sub-specialists.

The difference is that since Justina was a ward of the court, the parents didn't have the authority any longer to choose who was treating her. The team made that choice by consensus.
 
But BCH believes she does have somatoform.

And maybe she does. But in addition to a stroke and a significant learning disability and suspected mito and suspected medical abuse and other issues that would tend to fulfil the exclusion criteria in most studies...

Researchers don't want research subjects that have a ton of other issues that will confuse matters. Let's say they want to study a new treatment of somatoform. They want to prove it's effective. The last thing they want is to enroll Justina in their study, because even if their treatment is effective it may fail to work on Justina because somatoform is at the best scenario just a part of her problems.
 
BCH isn't treating her parents, and they are not treating her either. Her care is back at Tufts.
Furthermore, I very much doubt there are lots of teenagers with more sever case of a somatoform (assuming she has somatoform to begin with).
She can't even walk and hasn't been able to for a long time.
If that is not severe, I don't know what is.

She may have a medical component to her overall condition. It's not "all" somatoform, or "all" medical diagnoses. They co-exist.

And oh, yeah-- there are teens with worse somatoform disorders. There are documented cases where kids exhibited symptoms of paralysis, seizures, global amnesia, comatose states, etc. for prolonged periods, with no medical causes.
 
She may have a medical component to her overall condition. It's not "all" somatoform, or "all" medical diagnoses. They co-exist.

And oh, yeah-- there are teens with worse somatoform disorders. There are documented cases where kids exhibited symptoms of paralysis, seizures, global amnesia, comatose states, etc. for prolonged periods, with no medical causes.

Just because somebody couldn't find a medical cause doesn't mean one didn't exist.
 
Not swallowing or eating must have been Justina's worst problem, even worse than not walking. We don't even hear whether she's eating or not, just that she's not walking, hair falling out, and complaining of pain.
 
Not swallowing or eating must have been Justina's worst problem, even worse than not walking. We don't even hear whether she's eating or not, just that she's not walking, hair falling out, and complaining of pain.

Well, actually we do. I heard an allegation about her being force fed while in custody.
 
Innocent people should not have to submit to anything. They did nothing wrong, they aren't child abusers, and the state was in the wrong. All just my opinion.

BBM. The state of Massachusetts clearly believes the parents were doing "something" wrong, or they would not have lost custody.

Both CT and MA still must believe the parents are doing "something" wrong on an ongoing basis, related to pursuing the best interests of Justina, or she would be home by now. That is CT and MA's opinions. All those people can't be wrong. I don't see any conspiracy here.

I'd think most involved would be happy to see this case resolved today! They must be very, very weary of trying to work with this family.
 
I know DCF wanted psychological evaluations on both Lou and Linda.
Is bet they have not complied ...


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Both parents have demonstrated that they are extremely resistant to anything related to mental health care and diagnosis, going back years. I think that is a significant obstacle to any attempts at reunification.

Personally, I think at this point, it's very possible Justina will turn 18 as a ward of the state.

The Pelletiers had butted heads with other doctors in Connecticut — Justina’s pediatrician there would accuse them of doctor-shopping and “firing” multiple providers. And despite their fondness for Justina’s main doctors at Tufts, they had previously clashed with other members of the Tufts staff, who had filed an allegation of neglect with the Connecticut child-protection agency in late 2011.

The complaint alleged that the parents had not followed through on recommended mental health services as part of Justina’s overall care.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html
 
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...prise-justina-pelletier-on-her-16th-birthday/

The Pelletiers on Friday will meet with Tufts to discuss Justina’s medical plan. At this point, Mahoney said, “all elements of reunification plan would be in place,” leading supporters to hope that DCF could release Justina as early as next week. But Mahoney added that there’s concern over when and if custody will be returned to the Pelletiers because no official date has been set.

“The Pelletiers have complied with everything DCF has asked them to do,” he said, noting that they’ve seen Justina everyday and gone to a therapist.

Mahoney said the “one missing ingredient” in the reunification plan laid out by Massachusetts Health and Human Services is that that it doesn’t have dates.

“This is very disconcerting for us. Saturday was a step in the right direction, but it was a bittersweet reminder of the life that was taken from Justina and the life that should be immediately given back to her,” Mahoney said.

If the Pelletiers are not returned custody of their daughter within the next few weeks, the next date set when they can petition in court is June 20, which Mahoney said they don’t want to wait for.

“Our hope is that DCF will see that Pelletiers have complied,” he said. “Our hope is after Friday, there’s nothing more that needs to be done.”

See, complying isn't that bad...
 
Not swallowing or eating must have been Justina's worst problem, even worse than not walking. We don't even hear whether she's eating or not, just that she's not walking, hair falling out, and complaining of pain.


Lou claims "they" have broken her teeth during force feeding torture sessions.


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Well, actually we do. I heard an allegation about her being force fed while in custody.


Also claims her teeth broken in the force feeding process, allegations she was harassed while naked in the shower, routinely tortured, near death for months, sepsis....


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Also claims her teeth broken in the force feeding process, allegations she was harassed while naked in the shower, routinely tortured, near death for months, sepsis....


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She alleged that a female staffer went into the shower. If she was going to lie, she could have come up with something a whole lot better.
 
She alleged that a female staffer went into the shower. If she was going to lie, she could have come up with something a whole lot better.


There was far more to it than that. It was investigated. What was the outcome jjenny?




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Here ya go

http://m.wcvb.com/news/family-justina-pelletier-harassed-by-staffer-while-taking-shower/25782932

"We strongly deny any allegations of abuse and believe that any third party review of our care would support this position," said a spokeswoman for the agency providing Pelletier's care.

After hearing the allegations the family said they called police. Several officers responded to the office and family said they are interviewing Justina.

Family said Justina was taken back to the Framingham facility, where she has been kept despite their objections.



Are the police in on the conspiracy as well?



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Also claims her teeth broken in the force feeding process, allegations she was harassed while naked in the shower, routinely tortured, near death for months, sepsis....


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Wait what??? Could the family now be claiming that using a feeding tube, which they approved and actually demanded, is force-feeding?
I have not read that any of those other claims have been substantiated.

I do know that the media would have jumped on those shocking allegations and written about them extensively IF there was any indication that they were true. That, as critics of the press so often love to claim, would really "sell papers." But it has not happened, and that is likely because the claims are false.
 
Wait what??? Could the family now be claiming that using a feeding tube, which they approved and actually demanded, is force-feeding?
I have not read that any of those other claims have been substantiated.

I do know that the media would have jumped on those shocking allegations and written about them extensively IF there was any indication that they were true. That, as critics of the press so often love to claim, would really "sell papers." But it has not happened, and that is likely because the claims are false.

No, they aren't claiming that using a feeding tube is force feeding.
 
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