Family battling Children’s Hospital to bring teen home for Christmas

[Donjeta]

Justina could have told the parents something as well.

 

[i.b.nora]

I have listened again to what Polanowicz said in his press conference after the meeting.

I will say that when I first heard it, I got the distinct impression that he and the State was wanting very much to fast track the actual reunification and that he was talking about a few weeks at most, certainly not months. It just seemed pretty clear to me that that is what he was saying. Get her to the facility by next Monday, have the family meet with her there a couple of times, meet with the family therapy thing maybe a couple of times, see what the Tufts plan is, and receive a favorable recommendation by CFS to the Judge on, I think, May 20th, and then take her home! That's the impression I got after listening to Polanowicz directly after the meeting. So I was surprised to say the least when I heard Lou and Pat go on and on about how objectionable they found the plan and how Lou says he plans to go to Washington, etc, etc.

I found the Polanowicz video at:

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/25...tion-plan-for-justina-pelletier#ixzz30rbkiLxL

and listened again. He said at about 1:42 in the video, and I did not capture the exact quote, but he said, 'we are aware there is a big date coming up for the family and we'd love to have her HOME by that time.' So, I suspect he is talking about her birthday, May 24th. So, isn't that what both Lou and Pat have said? That she has to be home by her birthday, or else? Did they not hear what the Secretary said? I still don't get it.

 

[believe09]

Right. Because again, we are running a secret, consoiratorial, Nazi-like torture industry up here in Mass, I guess.

Just at DCF facilities and Children's.

I think it is appropriate to be uneasy about this case. I stand firm in the belief that unless a judge and a case manager have a specialist degree in metabolic disease, it seems unlikely that they have total confidence in their knowledge of the medical aspects of this case. It seems possible that they err on the side of caution and it also seems possible that the reverence people have regarding Children's Hospital is influencing the outcome. This is purely my opinion. I don't believe that anyone will ever know the complete truth of what happened here and the one who pays the price is Justina. She may never have any idea herself what happened. If and when she is returned home, I hope her parents have full access to complete and accurate files detailing all of the treatment she has received to date. I also believe that there needs to be a complete and accurate review of every aspect from the day she was taken into custody to the day she is returned home. Including the price tag of what it cost the state and ultimately whether or not her removal from care was warranted at all. The state has a fantastic scapegoat in Olga. It would surprise me if it all lands in her lap.

:moo:

 

[Donjeta]

Talking about Justina:
[video=youtube;ZR9qBB8ZUPQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR9qBB8ZUPQ[/video]

Jeff Kuhner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He says Polanowicx is part of a criminal gang...

...says that the plan was developed because DCF is out for revenge...

... predicts that Justina will die...

...knows for a fact that Justina has mitochondrial disease....

...says in adjacent sentences that Justina is deeply depressed and that she doesn't have a psychiatric disorder...


This guy manages to tie in Obama and the gun rights in the political tangle as well. Justina's case is related to everybody's every pet cause. Someone calls in and says the parents should go in with an army of mercenaries and just take Justina away and he agrees because good conservatives will never stand for the state taking people's rights.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think what we are seeing is narcissistic injury/wound/rage



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[CHICANA]

I think what we are seeing is narcissistic injury/wound/rage



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Having your sick child taken away, and not being able to make any decisions regarding their health and well being could make a sane person crazy.

 

[i.b.nora]

There is a case that I just became aware of yesterday at Daily Mail and I see there is a thread here at WS about it.

Lacey Spears and son Garnett

NY - Five year old dies- Mom investigated for possible Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

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I have not followed it nor do I really plan to but, I did see an article that I think is worth a read for those interested in this Justina Pelletier 'case'.

Spears case has red flags seen in Munchausen by Proxy
Jane Lerner, TJN 2:39 a.m. EDT May 1, 2014

Not saying that Munchausens is part of the Pelletier case but that the red flags for it might be similar to whatever the doctors at BCH experienced and caused them to alert DCF.

 

[MyBelle]

Is this true?
"Once she's out of Massachusetts, it would appear to me that there's no legal way that they can control her at all," he says. Upon arrival, Justina could just leave the facility. - See more at: http://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2014/05/06/justinas-family-just-let-her-come-home#.U2kEw8IU_cs

No, it isn't true.

 

[CathyinTexas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR9qBB8ZUPQ&index=8&list=PLGbRS0PZcl97jrAzoHQoW78PNWqi6ELRA

 

[Gardenlady]

Talking about Justina:
The Kuhner Report - May 06 2014 [HOUR 1, HOUR 2] - YouTube

Jeff Kuhner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He says Polanowicx is part of a criminal gang...

...says that the plan was developed because DCF is out for revenge...

... predicts that Justina will die...

...knows for a fact that Justina has mitochondrial disease....

...says in adjacent sentences that Justina is deeply depressed and that she doesn't have a psychiatric disorder...


This guy manages to tie in Obama and the gun rights in the political tangle as well. Justina's case is related to everybody's every pet cause. Someone calls in and says the parents should go in with an army of mercenaries and just take Justina away and he agrees because good conservatives will never stand for the state taking people's rights.

More nutty fringe groups, just what Justina needs. :facepalm:

 

[MyBelle]

I think what we are seeing is narcissistic injury/wound/rage



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He has lost control and when abusers lose control they get very angry.

JMO

 

[CathyinTexas]

http://valleypatriot.com/the-six-elements-of-the-massachusetts-way-of-justice/

 

[MyBelle]

Just at DCF facilities and Children's.

I think it is appropriate to be uneasy about this case. I stand firm in the belief that unless a judge and a case manager have a specialist degree in metabolic disease, it seems unlikely that they have total confidence in their knowledge of the medical aspects of this case. It seems possible that they err on the side of caution and it also seems possible that the reverence people have regarding Children's Hospital is influencing the outcome. This is purely my opinion. I don't believe that anyone will ever know the complete truth of what happened here and the one who pays the price is Justina. She may never have any idea herself what happened. If and when she is returned home, I hope her parents have full access to complete and accurate files detailing all of the treatment she has received to date. I also believe that there needs to be a complete and accurate review of every aspect from the day she was taken into custody to the day she is returned home. Including the price tag of what it cost the state and ultimately whether or not her removal from care was warranted at all. The state has a fantastic scapegoat in Olga. It would surprise me if it all lands in her lap.

:moo:

I, too, had doubts but my doubts were erased after the Judge released his order and listed his reasons. The Judge in this case DID rely on a metabolic specialist: Dr. Korson testified at the closed hearing.

JMO

 

[Gardenlady]

Just at DCF facilities and Children's.

I think it is appropriate to be uneasy about this case. I stand firm in the belief that unless a judge and a case manager have a specialist degree in metabolic disease, it seems unlikely that they have total confidence in their knowledge of the medical aspects of this case. It seems possible that they err on the side of caution and it also seems possible that the reverence people have regarding Children's Hospital is influencing the outcome. This is purely my opinion. I don't believe that anyone will ever know the complete truth of what happened here and the one who pays the price is Justina. She may never have any idea herself what happened. If and when she is returned home, I hope her parents have full access to complete and accurate files detailing all of the treatment she has received to date. I also believe that there needs to be a complete and accurate review of every aspect from the day she was taken into custody to the day she is returned home. Including the price tag of what it cost the state and ultimately whether or not her removal from care was warranted at all. The state has a fantastic scapegoat in Olga. It would surprise me if it all lands in her lap.

:moo:

I have to believe that, like in any other legal case, when the court needs/wants medical information, it hears testimony from various doctors. A judge, a lawyer, or a jury, don't need to be experts in mitochondrial disease, or any other area of medicine - it just needs to hear various opinions from all parties involved.

I do think there is a reverence for Children's, but it is partially well deserved (I have mentioned my own experience with them way back in the thread, and know several family members and friends who have experience there too), and I don't think it is to the point where so many different entities - MA DCF, the Guardian Ad Litem, CT DCF, the personnel at the Framingham facility, etc, would all be somehow blinded by its reputation to the point where they would not speak up if something sinister were going on.

I do believe there is a lot more to this case than is known in the press. That the various fringe hangers-on are using this to push their own agendas, and using the fact that the doctors et al cannot divulge information to their advantage. The histrionics and circuses are surely NOT HEALTHY for Justina - even if one believes the conversion disorder dx is wrong, and that she does indeed have mito. She has seen a mental health practitioner in the past for depression, and certainly she is under stress now.

The plan just revealed is so innocuous that, again, even if DCF/judge/BCH/etc are all wrong and have been all along, I cannot imagine the family not saying "ok, close enough, we only have to see a counselor, visit Justina, etc, and then we get her home. We can deal with our case against the state once she is home". Yet they've done just the opposite. I cannot fathom how, if I thought my child was being "tortured" and "abused" (their words), sabotaging the easiest and fastest way yet to get her home.

And that's not even going down the rabbit hole of hate groups attaching themselves to this case... It's completely bizarre.

 

[MyBelle]

More nutty fringe groups, just what Justina needs. :facepalm:

unfortunately, Justina isn't the only child victim who has parents claiming they have some kind of religious freedom to do whatever they want. Misuse of religious teachings is common in domestic violence cases. Men, primarily, use it as a form of control. I attended a conference the other day and a lot of time was spent on it.

JMO

 

[Donjeta]

No, no, no, didn't you listen to the Kuhner show? It's not an innocuous plan, it's a deal with the devil. It was devised by the DCF in order to humiliate and take revenge on the parents because they have spoken up against the agency. Justina gets transferred into Connecticut because she is dying and MA DCF want her out of state so they can blame somebody else for it. The plan is designed to humiliate the parents because to agree to participate in family therapy is to admit being bad parents (who knew?) The plan is deceptive because there is no definite return date and MA really wants to keep Justina until she's 18 or dead. The fact that Tufts is back in the care plan is bad as well because it means the DCF is admitting that Boston Children's was wrong about the psychiatric diagnosis but because they're just such mean people they want to keep control of Justina's medical appointments and medications and she will die anyway.

I hope Justina is shielded from all the news and everybody who reads online or listens to the radio keeps their mouths shut when around her. Whether she's got mito or something else I can't imagine it being anything but psychologically harmful to hear that she is being kidnapped, tortured and that her death is considered imminent.

 

[here]

But I thought her family wanted her to be treated by Tufts doctors?

The plan is reasonable.

Her parents would see her more.

MOO

 

[i.b.nora]

From a FoxNews article today with some of the more feeble reporting I have seen done on this case by a legitimate MSM:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/0...sferred-to-conn-facility-mass-officials-said/

The video that accompanies the article is from March, it is not current.

From the article:

"Justina will be transferred to the JRI Susan Wayne Center for Excellence in Thompson -- a facility her father claims specializes in HIV services and shock therapy. Lou Pelletier also said the facility is "very far away" from the family's home."

"A website could not be found for the facility, and it remains unclear whether the facility is licensed in the state of Connecticut. The Connecticut attorney general referred all media inquires on the matter to the Connecticut Department of Health, which did not return a phone call seeking comment."​

Well, I don't know, I and I am sure hundreds of others were able to find the website pretty quickly after the name of the facility was announced.

You don't suppose its the fact that at least one of their facilities offers HIV services has anything to do with his disgust, do you? Whether or not it is offered at the facility in Thompson, I am not sure. And, I don't see where it says they are doing shock therapy at that facility either. But, oh well.

Remember the place in New Britain that Lou apparently threatened to sue if they took Justina, because it used to be an orphanage and apparently Lou didn't realize that it was no longer an orphanage and that the program that was being recommended to them was within the bigger institution and "… was designed to provide a more home-like environment where both behavioral health and medical issues can be treated, while keeping the youth closer to their community and family." Boy, did he ever blow that one. Had it not been for Lou and Linda, she would have been home months ago, imo.

Here is a link to one of the pages associated with the Thompson, Connecticut facility. If you have time and interest, you can poke around there.

http://www.jri.org/services/behavio...necticut-northeast-behavioral-health/services

 

[Linda7NJ]

No, no, no, didn't you listen to the Kuhner show? It's not an innocuous plan, it's a deal with the devil. It was devised by the DCF in order to humiliate and take revenge on the parents because they have spoken up against the agency. Justina gets transferred into Connecticut because she is dying and MA DCF want her out of state so they can blame somebody else for it. The plan is designed to humiliate the parents because to agree to participate in family therapy is to admit being bad parents (who knew?) The plan is deceptive because there is no definite return date and MA really wants to keep Justina until she's 18 or dead. The fact that Tufts is back in the care plan is bad as well because it means the DCF is admitting that Boston Children's was wrong about the psychiatric diagnosis but because they're just such mean people they want to keep control of Justina's medical appointments and medications and she will die anyway.

I hope Justina is shielded from all the news and everybody who reads online or listens to the radio keeps their mouths shut when around her. Whether she's got mito or something else I can't imagine it being anything but psychologically harmful to hear that she is being kidnapped, tortured and that her death is considered imminent.

This kind of "free speech" Lou is exercising....is psychological abuse if Justina hears it.

It's really no surprise why the judge wanted the gag order on her parents.
I personally am thrilled it's been lifted.
Now every reasonable person can see for themselves what Lou's priorities really are. IMO


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[Donjeta]

Already, there have been troubling disclosures in the new plan, said Mr. Staver. A key doctor at Tufts Medical Center has requested to see Justina “every two weeks,” but has been told he may see her “every two months,” he said.

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