Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #1

[Softail]

Such a sad story. Does anyone know if her family has been given any type of counseling?

I was just reading about how they want her moved, and to do that put a feeding tube in her. It would seem her family needs some serious help. :twocents:

Also read in the same article that their private insurance would pay for her "long term" care. I don't believe that for one minute. The way insurance companies are these days it is difficult enough to get treatments, and medical care for living people. I cannot imagine any insurance company agreeing to pay for long term care of a deceased person. :twocents:

 

[katydid23]

Just watched the uncle on CNN. He is saying that she is moving her toes and feet and her shoulders, and 'showing signs of life.' I wonder if there are any videos of that movement.

 

[katydid23]

Such a sad story. Does anyone know if her family has been given any type of counseling?

I was just reading about how they want her moved, and to do that put a feeding tube in her. It would seem her family needs some serious help. :twocents:

Also read in the same article that their private insurance would pay for her "long term" care. I don't believe that for one minute. The way insurance companies are these days it is difficult enough to get treatments, and medical care for living people. I cannot imagine any insurance company agreeing to pay for long term care of a deceased person. :twocents:

Ain't that the truth. I am currently battling for them to pay for my daughters physical rehab for her broken elbow. They want to pay less than half. It would surprise me that they would agree to pay the huge fees that would come from nursing home to care for a brain dead patient.

 

[momrids6]

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9373813

RSBM: A copy of the letter from the Hospital to the attorney is now on the page.

 

[seattlechiquita]

RSBM: A copy of the letter from the Hospital to the attorney is now on the page.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9373813

From the link:

"Children's Hospital Oakland does not believe that performing surgical procedures on the body of a deceased person is an appropriate medical practice."

ain't that the truth.

 

[SophieRose]

I am not ready to put on paper what my feelings are on parts of this....perhaps because I know the heartache of losing a child and what would I do if I had a chance and believed he could still be here......

On the other hand, I worked for a general surgeon for many years....at one point he continued to do Tonsillectomies...and then later decided not to and referring all to an ENT.....the reason being as it is a very bloody surgery and the surgical field is especially small in a child's mouth....I can remember him saying over and over it is NOT a routine surgery...NOT......too many times following these procedures, I saw an ENT rush back to surgery to take a child back in that broke loose bleeding...no surgery should ever in my opinion, be called routine...the risk is there no matter the cause.

I also have a dear friend who is in a well known hospital following a back surgery that went awry when the surgeon nicked her aorta....we should all remember all surgery is a risk..........never routine, IMO.

Read comments on patients experiences with post-operative bleeding after a tonsillectomy
http://ent.about.com/b/2009/03/15/post-operative-bleeding-after-tonsillectomy.htm

 

[otto]

Just watched the uncle on CNN. He is saying that she is moving her toes and feet and her shoulders, and 'showing signs of life.' I wonder if there are any videos of that movement.

I suspect that anyone that has sat in a room with a deceased person knows that people twitch, even after they have died. It's eerie, but it happens.

 

[Minette]

Just watched the uncle on CNN. He is saying that she is moving her toes and feet and her shoulders, and 'showing signs of life.' I wonder if there are any videos of that movement.

You know, especially after seeing the statement from him today in which he said 'his' lawyer was working on some options I am beginning to wonder whether this is less about what Jahi's mom wants and more about what uncle wants.

 

[SophieRose]

Childrens Hospital Oakland agrees to release Jahi with conditions
http://www.contracostatimes.com/new...spital-oakland-agrees-release-jahi-conditions

"Children's Hospital will of course continue to do everything legally and ethically permissible to support the family of Jahi McMath," Straus writes. "In that regard, Children's will allow a lawful transfer of Jahi's body in its current state to another location if the family can arrange such a transfer and Children's can legally do so. Children's is willing to cooperate in this regard even though Judge Grillo has confirmed that Jahi is deceased and that statutory patient transfer procedures do not apply here."

 

[momrids6]

.pdf of hospital letter

 

[Donjeta]

"Time is obviously of the essence given the Court's December 30 deadline," the letter continues. "Since you are telling the media that the transfer is all set, you should be able to provide these details in a matter of a few minutes. If these details are provided and confirmed, Children's looks forward to immediately cooperating in further discussion of the transfer process for Jahi's body."

http://www.contracostatimes.com/new...spital-oakland-agrees-release-jahi-conditions

This sounds a little passive-aggressive imo... They don't seem to believe that the family has made any arrangements.

 

[otto]

I find the entire situation awful. This child's life has ended. She will never be a normal, healthy, living, active person ... never. Surely the parents realize this ... or do they have some belief that she will suddenly bounce back to life and proclaim that she didn't want to have that surgery again?

 

[seattlechiquita]

http://www.contracostatimes.com/new...spital-oakland-agrees-release-jahi-conditions

This sounds a little passive-aggressive imo... They don't seem to believe that the family has made any arrangements.

I think the letter's tone is one of annoyance and challenge. And you know, I kind of like it. Like the hospital says, if the family really had a plan, they should be able to respond within minutes.

I am so upset over this. This poor child is DEAD. DEAD, and her family seems to care more about making some sort of point than to give this child the burial she deserves.

p.s. sorry if I offend anyone, I am just beyond myself right now.

 

[otto]

.pdf of hospital letter

Thanks for posting that. If I didn't know better, I'd say that the hospital lawyer is calling the lawyer's bluff ... essentially doubting that any care facility will actually accept a deceased person, and questioning the transportation of a dead person to any place other than the morgue. I suspect that any institution that is prepared to accept the body has a condition that the person be alive.

 

[otto]

http://www.contracostatimes.com/new...spital-oakland-agrees-release-jahi-conditions

This sounds a little passive-aggressive imo... They don't seem to believe that the family has made any arrangements.

That's my impression as well. She is legally dead and so far, not a single medical professional is prepared to state otherwise. What care facility accepts people that are legally dead?

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

Thanks for posting that. If I didn't know better, I'd say that the hospital lawyer is calling the lawyer's bluff ... essentially doubting that any care facility will actually accept a deceased person, and questioning the transportation of a dead person to any place other than the morgue. I suspect that any institution that is prepared to accept the body has a condition that the person be alive.

very eloquent and captured what I was thinking as well. I agree.

 

[otto]

I think the letter's tone is one of annoyance and challenge. And you know, I kind of like it. Like the hospital says, if the family really had a plan, they should be able to respond within minutes.

I am so upset over this. This poor child is DEAD. DEAD, and her family seems to care more about making some sort of point than to give this child the burial she deserves.

p.s. sorry if I offend anyone, I am just beyond myself right now.

I think more people are having that same reaction. When someone is legally dead, that's that. It's sad, it's tragic, but it's a fact of life. More and more, I can't understand what the family is looking for. If they need grief counselling, that's what they should have, but refusing to accept the facts is not helpful. Thinking of a child decomposing while machines prolong the process is ... well, it's a terrible thought.

 

[EmmaliLucia]

I hope this doesn't sound awful of me but I hope her body shuts down before December 30th.

This family is not going to change their minds, these places willing to accept her sound incredibly shady, and the children at the hospital that are still alive need peace that's not going to be achieved until she's gone. This isn't her fault, but her family DID call for the attention of this, they are the ones giving interviews that are broadcast around the country, and these nut jobs are just going to increase in numbers and possibly violence unless her body shuts down enough that she's "Dead dead."

 

[seattlechiquita]

I think more people are having that same reaction. When someone is legally dead, that's that. It's sad, it's tragic, but it's a fact of life. More and more, I can't understand what the family is looking for. If they need grief counselling, that's what they should have, but refusing to accept the facts is not helpful. Thinking of a child decomposing while machines prolong the process is ... well, it's a terrible thought.

I know. It is cruel and unusual. Sh...., we treat criminals in prison with more compassion than these people are treating their own child with.

 

[ChristYTN]

Ok...beg my ignorance in my thinking for a second. Is no one really explaining the situation to the family? Are they just not listening? Do they have pastoral counseling with the family?( not saying anything as I don't know the religious matter of the family...but, I know most pastors would say 'she's gone...let's plan a proper funeral")

Are the nurses and doctors and social workers at this hospital effectively walking on eggshells around this family?
Is there not one person in this seemingly large family that sees this for what it is?
Someone that can talk some sense into them??

They are sitting around the bed of a dead girl. She's gone.
The circumstances are awful...but she's gone.
She is decomposing as they sit around her.

I said I don't know their religion, but....is there something I'm missing? Do they really think she's not gone?? That with enough whatever they are planning, it won't hurt...it won't be true...she will be fine???

I remember thinking if I just did ABC/xyz....my nephew would be fine. BUT...I only thought that for a second, of course...because no matter what...he was gone.

Let this girl go....she needs a proper goodbye now.
I'm so sad just thinking about it.

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