Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #1

[Trino]

Oh, great, just great.

I do notice he said nothing about her brain not working...

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...ahi-McMath-Family-Must-Arrange-237554381.html

Byrne:

"Jahi is a living person. She is not truly dead. Her soul has not separated from her body," Byrne said. Three other doctors have said Jahi is brain dead.

"Her kidneys work. Her liver works," Byrne said. "These things could never happen to a cadaver."

Byrne did say, however, that her condition is worsening because she is being fed a diet of "sugar water" at the hospital. He said Jahi needs to receive better nutrition and needs repair on her pituitary and thyroid glands.

"She is a living girl and dearly loved by her mother, her grandmother, her uncle," Byrne said. "And they do not want anything to shorten or hasten her life."

 

[meanmaryjean]

Repair on her pituitary and thyroid glands? What in the wide, wide world of sports is that supposed to mean?

 

[otto]

I understand why the coroner is taking that position, but I have to wonder if that's setting a very dangerous precedent. So now any family with a brain dead family member with, say, potentially viable organs, can remove the patient from the hospital so long as there's a place that will accept them and transportation provided. The implications of that are mind blowing imo.

jmo

I think everyone can see the lawsuit looming and no one wants to be a part of it.
If the courts made a decision and ruled tha no lawsuit can be filed on the basis of a child dying after surgery, then I think everyone will be happy to step up and see that things are done correctly.

 

[Trino]

Repair on her pituitary and thyroid glands? What in the wide, wide world of sports is that supposed to mean?

Maybe Dr. Byrne would like to do the surgery? $$$

 

[SwampMama]

This whole situation is mind boggling. As a result of this case, I expect to see even more cases like these of families in denial.

The only treatment that is appropriate in this situation is some mental health treatment for the family so that they can come to terms with the fact that Jahi is gone. She is not coming back ever. Their denial is frankly delusional. There is NO treatment available to help Jahi. She will remain dead and her family must accept that.

I do not mean to be harsh about them and I understand that they have been dealt a tragic hand. But thousands and thousands of children/people die everyday in equally tragic situations. Any death of a child is tragic. But it happens and life must go on for their loved ones.

Harsh as it may sound, if the hospital rep did tell the family that Jahi is "dead, dead, dead" then we can see why they would have taken such an adamant and brusque was of trying to get it through their heads that she is not coming back. I imagine that the family met the hospital's every word with "what if" and "but" and finally someone had to say that Jahi is "dead, dead, dead".

It was probably said like this " Brain-wise, medically and legally, Jahi is dead, dead, dead". There is no criteria to consider her as living. No miracle, judge, facility or amount of time can change that. Callous as it sounds, it is not a lie and the hospital was not going to lie and string the family along with false hopes.

 

[otto]

Assuming Jahi is sent to a long-term care facility. IMO eventually, she will get a virus or exhibit signs of death. If she's still connected, will the family ever accept her death, or will they insist on keeping her heart functioning? What will it take to get the family to understand she isn't coming back?

Not to be morbid, or anything, but who would possibly agree to have a living person sharing a room with a dead person ... no one in their right mind would tolerate that.

 

[otto]

Repair on her pituitary and thyroid glands? What in the wide, wide world of sports is that supposed to mean?

This case is starting to remind me of a horror story.

 

[SwampMama]

Even if she is moved to a new facility, what will her status there be?
Considered living though brain dead?
What if a doctor/nurse at the new facility has an objection to treating a dead patient?
Will Jahi be a DNR (do not resuscitate) patient ?
If she isn't a DNR then what will the nursing home do in a crisis?
They can't call 911 and I doubt any ER would accept her. This whole thing is just getting out of hand with pushing the limits of what medicine should do.

 

[Trino]

So, the insurance would be expected to pay to repair her pituitary and thyroid glands? Really? After other things go wrong, which IMO will happen, will the insurance company continue to pay?

What insurance company IS this?

 

[otto]

So, the insurance would be expected to pay to repair her pituitary and thyroid glands? Really? After other things go wrong, which IMO will happen, will the insurance company continue to pay?

What insurance company IS this?

Is pituitary and thyroid related to obesity?

Is this possibly surgery that was scheduled, but no longer necessary (since doctors to do surgery on dead people), but the family wants it done anyway?

Is it possible that, if the family is requesting more surgery, a wrongful death lawsuit would be difficult to argue? I mean, if they want the same hospital to do more surgery, they must trust the quality of care and expertise of surgeons even after their daughter passed away due to post surgical complications.

 

[SophieRose]

This case is starting to remind me of a horror story.

Ryan Murphy's season 4 American Horror Story.

 

[Trino]

Is pituitary and thyroid related to obesity?

Is this possibly surgery that was scheduled, but no longer necessary (since doctors to do surgery on dead people), but the family wants it done anyway?

No. This would be another surgery. This is Dr. Byrne's opinion - see previous posts. It appears he does not believe in brain death and is giving the family "advice."

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Repair on her pituitary and thyroid glands? What in the wide, wide world of sports is that supposed to mean?

I'm guessing testing and medication to keep things in balance and prolong her current state?

How does he know her soul is still in her body? I think that's a horrible thing to state as some sort of fact.

 

[otto]

No. This would be another surgery. This is Dr. Byrne's opinion - see previous posts. It appears he does not believe in brain death and is giving the family "advice."

I have to wonder where Dr Byrne attended medical school.

 

[wannabeasupersleuth]

I work in the pharmaceutical research industry. I know a lot when it comes to medicine and ethics. I have also conducted clinical trials out of CHO. I can tell you that I am appalled that this family has been given the RIGHT to create this much havoc. It also makes me scared of what ramifications this will hold on ethics and medicine in the future. Ethics committee approvals on clinical trials and patient consent/ascent are so closely monitored in the world of research-and even surgical procedures. I feel this dog and pony show created by Jahi's family is a recipe for disaster and is only "allowing" patients and families to push boundaries that may not be in the best interest of the patient.

 

[Trino]

I have to wonder where Dr Byrne attended medical school.

Apparently, his ideas are valid to the family, although he has not seen the patient.

Just to give you an idea...

Dr. Paul A. Byrne has done research and has revelations on the deceit involved in the promotion of “brain death” as an excuse to harvest vital organs from a still living human being.

 

[wannabeasupersleuth]

Apparently, his ideas are valid to the family, although he has not seen the patient.



Just to give you an idea...



Dr. Paul A. Byrne has done research and has revelations on the deceit involved in the promotion of “brain death” as an excuse to harvest vital organs from a still living human being.

Dr. Byrne does nothing but give families false hope and should have his medical license revoked.

 

[danzn16]

http://www.lifeguardianfoundation.org

Looks like dr Byrne is only interested in selling his books, which sounds as if it feeds on fears of patients that believe things that aren't true at all. Looks like this family is perfect for him to prey on. He is a neonatologist, what expertise does he have in end of life care, brain death, or thyroid or pituitary repair???


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[krimekat]

http://www.truthaboutorgandonation.com/index.html

here's another Dr Byrne site . . .

 

[otto]

Apparently, his ideas are valid to the family, although he has not seen the patient.

Just to give you an idea...

Dr. Paul A. Byrne has done research and has revelations on the deceit involved in the promotion of “brain death” as an excuse to harvest vital organs from a still living human being.

I can't imagine that anyone would want the organs of deceased person that has been hooked up to a machine for too long.