Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #2

[MyBelle]

I wonder how a brain dead ventilator dependent patient could tolerate the high altitude for the length a flight from CA to NY would take.
Just thinking about cabin pressure etc.
Maybe it isn't as difficult as I am imagining it.
Moo

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I think the aircraft are specially fitted to meet those concerns and that's one reason it is so expensive.

 

[Zuri]

In medicine, we talk about quality of life. IMO, if there was a chance that Jahi would get better and be able to enjoy some form of quality of life, I would be encouraged. Somehow, this has seemingly become more about the parents and less about Jahi. I certainly understand any mother who is willing to do anything to save their child. At some point, reality has got to set in. I am basing this opinion on what the Stanford neurologist concluded, as he is the only doctor that conducted an independent medical exam. Transferring Jahi to another facility across the country has risk into and of itself. I would like to think that Jahi is wishing she could peacefully play with all of God's other children without looking down to her hospital room, watching her body and her family's pain. JMV

 

[princesspjs]

If It's a taxpayer thing, it's every working americans concern. jmo

LOL My tax dollars go to a helluva lot of places that I don't want to see it go.

IMO this is a compassion issue and there are plenty of us who have contributed to the tax system our whole life who don't mind our tax dollars going to fund this.

 

[sherbetjello]

If there is proof Jahi is still alive, why haven't news stations received this proof so that we can all witness what the parents are telling us?

I know it sounds morbid, but release it. It will reinstate my faith to the upmost. It will reverse all my thoughts on science and medicine.
However, it is an eerie and morbid thing to do because . . . well, Jahi would be the first to do this. To perform this miracle.

Also, with the news, this was never a rush to disconnect this child. They are now going on three weeks of her being in this condition. I read that the longest someone has been in Jahi's condition was 107 days, to bring a baby to term, and then the mother passed. That was at an incredible hospital, done under extreme care of doctors and nurses for 24-7.

Will Jahi have this care in NY? And how long can poor Jahi's body really last?

 

[jjenny]

I think it more likely that the facility sent its own physician to Cali to evaluate the patient in person.....no need for a telephone call between the new facility and Oakland Children's.

If some other doctor is going to show up in a hospital where he doesn't have any privileges, one would think phone calls would be needed to arrange such a visit.
Family keep claiming they have facilities lined up and hospital keeps claiming nobody called them about this.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

If It's a taxpayer thing, it's every working americans concern. jmo

Her care is taking very few tax dollars in the grand scheme of things. There are a ton of wasteful things tax payers should be more concerned with IMO.

But that would be a political discussion.

This is a child. This is a family.
IMO money should be the last of our worries. This family needs help, guidance, understanding, and many prayers.

JMO


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[Leilei]

In medicine, we talk about quality of life. IMO, if there was a chance that Jahi would get better and be able to enjoy some form of quality of life, I would be encouraged. Somehow, this has seemingly become more about the parents and less about Jahi. I certainly understand any mother who is willing to do anything to save their child. At some point, reality has got to set in. I am basing this opinion on what the Stanford neurologist concluded, as he is the only doctor that conducted an independent medical exam. Transferring Jahi to another facility across the country has risk into and of itself. I would like to think that Jahi is wishing she could peacefully play with all of God's other children without looking down to her hospital room, watching her body and her family's pain. JMV

Oh, Zuri, so well said.

Again, I ask, what would Jahi want?

 

[SophieRose]

http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_24815775/jahi-mcmath-oakland-brain-dead-girl-could-be

The order was extended by Alameda County Superior Court Judge Evelio Grillo, who had put the first order in place one week ago. Late Monday, the family's attorney also filed a new complaint with the First District Court of Appeals in San Francisco.

 

[Softail]

In medicine, we talk about quality of life. IMO, if there was a chance that Jahi would get better and be able to enjoy some form of quality of life, I would be encouraged. Somehow, this has seemingly become more about the parents and less about Jahi. I certainly understand any mother who is willing to do anything to save their child. At some point, reality has got to set in. I am basing this opinion on what the Stanford neurologist concluded, as he is the only doctor that conducted an independent medical exam. Transferring Jahi to another facility across the country has risk into and of itself. I would like to think that Jahi is wishing she could peacefully play with all of God's other children without looking down to her hospital room, watching her body and her family's pain. JMV

Thank you Zuri! People seem to forget that a little girl had been laying dead for weeks. Jahi DESERVES some dignity, and not the circus or as someone else put it, horror show that this has become.

Wonderful post! :blowkiss:

 

[fruity]

Moot point. Judge Grillo has extended time...

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/...rain-dead-says-ny-facility-is-last-last-hope/

It is not moot at all, when you are insisting that they are keen to turn the vent off without aiding the facilitation of the transfer. Besides. What happens when this extension runs out.... ?

The point is that Children's is just as keen as the family (if not more so) to have Jahi transferred. This is a nightmare for them too. Despite the thinly veiled insinuations of some people, they are not filled with happiness at the thought of turning off the vent. They want Jahi out of there, so it is in the hospital's best interest if they can transfer her so that the family can't accuse them of killing her when the vent is turned off. They have tried to do everything they can to help the transfer.

 

[MyBelle]

If some other doctor is going to show up in a hospital where he doesn't have any privileges, one would think phone calls would be needed to arrange such a visit.
Family keep claiming they have facilities lined up and hospital keeps claiming nobody called them about this.

I think doctors are allowed to visit patients in hospitals where they don't have privileges.

 

[StephanieH]

If taxpayers are paying it, it's expensive and I would rather see taxpayer dollars going into children who are alive or can recover. I have no issue with taxpayers paying for children and adults who will live or have a decent quality of life, but asking the taxpayers to pay for years of this is ridiculous. There are not unlimited funds.

 

[MyBelle]

It is not moot at all, when you are insisting that they are keen to turn the vent off without aiding the facilitation of the transfer. Besides. What happens when this extension runs out.... ?

The point is that Children's is just as keen as the family (if not more so) to have Jahi transferred. This is a nightmare for them too. Despite the thinly veiled insinuations of some people, they are not filled with happiness at the thought of turning off the vent. They want Jahi out of there, so it is in the hospital's best interest if they can transfer her so that the family can't accuse them of killing her when the vent is turned off. They have tried to do everything they can to help the transfer.

It is a moot point because there was a temporary restraining order in place. All Judge Grillo did was extend it.

 

[Harmony 2]

Court blocks hospital from disconnecting Jahi McMath from life support
updated 7:56 PM EST, Mon December 30, 2013

A judge has extended a temporary restraining order in the case of 13-year-old Jahi McMath. The move means the hospital is now not permitted to disconnect the girl from life support until January 7.

more at link...


http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/30/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/

 

[Elley Mae]

Dr. Arthur L. Caplan, director of the division of medical ethics at NYU Langone Medical Center and is not involved in Jahi's case, told The Associated Press last week that keeping the girl on a ventilator likely costs thousands of dollars each day, and is unlikely to be covered by health insurance because she’s been declared brain dead.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jahi-mcmaths-family-faces-monday-life-support-deadline/

I wonder will the family take the insurance company to court for not paying their bills?

 

[Harmony 2]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...d-case-20131230,0,4012633.story#axzz2ozjt1gCd

 

[LietKynes]

www.foxnews.com/health/2013/12/30/f...rain-dead-says-ny-facility-is-last-last-hope/

".... is showing signs of movement and that an unnamed pediatrician has visited her and claims she is not dead...."
Does anyone know who this unnamed pediatrician is ?

Sad case. Reminds me of a similar one many years ago with a young lady named Karen or Anne Quinlan. This lady stayed alive for many years in a vegetative state --- but it was after she was disconnected from a ventilator ; I think.

 

[Elley Mae]

I am thinking that there is no hospital in ny that will take a dead body that insurance will no long cover. jmo

 

[Sonya610]

I'd rather her siblings growing up believing everything humanly possible was done for their sister than the hospital hurt her then unplugged her.

The siblings will grow up believing the evil hospital and authorities turned the machines off and KILLED their sister. Her family tried to save her but THEY killed her!

That is all they will be told from everyone around them.

 

[fruity]

It is a moot point because there was a temporary restraining order in place. All Judge Grillo did was extend it.

It doesn't matter if the restraining order was extended, that's not what I was addressing. You and I both know that the topic was your implication that the hospital would rush to turn the vent off as soon as the restraining order expired, even if plans were in place for a transfer.