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Does anyone know if GC lived in Massapequa for a period of time? If he did live south of Merrick Rd in Pequa, I knew him growing up.
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GC as in GC who called the cops for Shannan?Does anyone know if GC lived in Massapequa for a period of time? If he did live south of Merrick Rd in Pequa, I knew him growing up.
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3b SG was not abducted. i will never understand - if someone WAS trying to kill her and she ran - why he didn't grab the phone and shut it off.
OH THATS RIGHT - HE DID. ...
Doc is not going to expect a investigation from police since he WAS police. ... there was NO FOLLOW up to the 911 call and that doc called family to PREVENT further search.
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Shannan was falling down drunk, or falling down from being injected with something that was forced upon her at Brewers. ...
Meanwhile, Barthelemy's sister, Amanda, began to receive calls, about one each week.
The caller ID indicated the call came from Melissa's cellphone. The man who sounded like an "older white guy" wanted to know if the person on the line was Melissa's little sister. "The whole year I continued to pay for the phone bill," Melissa's mother, Lynn, told The Daily Beast. "It was only turned on when the guy would turn it on, when he made the phone calls. He would only keep it on for three minutes."
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Lynn said they received five more calls, the last one on August 26, 2009. "The last call, he said he killed her," then hung up. Investigators also discovered that a call made to Barthelemy's voicemail the day she vanished came from Massapequa, a Long Island town about 20 miles from where her body was later discovered.
... One of the phones was linked to the name Mickey Mouse.
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Around the same time, Terry said he began to get his own taunting phone calls. His calls were from a "white guy," he said.
"He was threatening me," recalled Terry. "He said, you like to do some crazy stuff with Melissa, I know where you be at. Most of the time he seemed to be drunk. He knew who I was. He knew I had tattoos on my back. Maybe he felt [Melissa] was doing something he didn't like."
Terry said the anonymous caller called him more than 30 times over a period of eight months. He said he reported the calls to the cops. Months later, Terry said, he was approached by the police again, but this time not as a suspect. They wanted to know about the john on Long Island. They asked if he could describe the house and if he could pick it out if he was taken there. He said he could.
"They already knew about the guy in Long Island," he said. "I said if they come to get me I would go. They didn't come."
According to the New York Post, the killer said to Amanda: 'Is this Melissa's little sister?'. 'Yes,' replied the girl.
'Do you know what your sister is doing? She's a *advertiser censored*.' Barthelemy had lied to her mother, Lynn, that she was an exotic dancer. Half a dozen more calls and texts followed in the next six weeks.
The killer always phoned in the evenings, spoke for less than three minutes and in a low voice, calmly mocking the youngster. The family feared he had seen Amanda when she visited her sister's home and stayed over.
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Police have yet to link their deaths with the four victims in New Jersey - Kim Raffo, Molly Jean Dilts, Barbara Breidor and Tracy Ann Roberts. But there are several coincidences.
In each case, the killer dumped four prostitutes near water and in close proximity. The bodies were in various stages of decomposition, suggesting he kept some for a time after they died.
All eight were sex workers, and the four in New York used Craigslist. Each had been strangled.
He had removed the shoes from both sets of bodies, ...
'It's the same guy,'one law-enforcement source told the Post.
“Her manner of death is very similar to the two other women,” Spota said. “All of the women’s remains were uniquely positioned in the very same manner.”
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But Spota said besides the killer leaving the woman in similar and unique poses, he also took a vital clue from each of them that will remain a secret until trial
Leser says that both women were working, street-walking prostitutes near the Patchogue Inn, a hot sheets motel on Main Street in Patchogue which was a red-light district back in the 1990s. "Both women were brutally beaten and strangled," said Leser. "He crushed their skulls and choked them to death."
Then their bodies were staged exactly alike with each victim's arms placed behind her back, legs spread wide apart, and a left shoe missing from each victim.
Not sure about bittrolf ... i cant read him at all. Seems like a good old boy.http://www.thedailybeast.com/melissa-barthelemy-the-long-island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nager-phone-sent-texts-strangling-victim.html
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/07/31/long-island-man-pleads-not-guilty-in-cold-case-murders/
http://www.indyeastend.com/Articles...7-THE-COP-WHO-TRACKED-A-COLD-CASE-KILLER.html
1) All the evidence points to a group of police officers aware of the crimes to a degree that is problematic.
2) The only mystery involves the reason for calling. A group of people would not normally have one of their number call victims like that. Calling to taunt is a prankster type thing an individual does.
3) Spota knew that the missing left shoes from the girls supposedly killed by Bittrolff were not relevent to Bittrolff's 'guilt'. Why was he coy with that evidence? He was bothered by something, hiding something, and Bittrolff was a target to deflect on. His goal was to portray Bittrolff as the killer of all the girls.
4) Almost certainly Bittrolff did not kill any of the girls, including the ones he was convicted of killing. There are too many connections between the killings to call them unrelated and the fact that the police, e.g. Leser etc, try to paint Bittrolff as a candidate for other killings, suggest that several of the top cops there are hiding something. There is conclusive absolute evidence that Bittrolff could not have killed most of the victims. But instead of saying that, the police say he was not involved in an open ended way that leaves doubt.
Getting back to Burke, he started his career by getting information that compromised a powerful person, Spota, and blackmailing that person to watch over his career. Burke then became useful to other people and developed his job security around getting dirt on people so he could control them. Normally that might not be the worst thing, a lot of politicians operate that way, but in this case Burke's character is relevent. He worked as an undercover drug cop for a while. There is no such thing as an honest undercover drug cop, but Burke probably lowered the bar further. He also presided over police who had apetites similar to his.
It is almost impossible anywhere for a police officer to be arrested for rape, unless there is a lot of publicity, and the fact that quite a few Long Island cops have been suggests that they are hiring from a pool that includes more of that type of person than even most other police departments. It seems certain that most of the police officers involved in the Bittrolff case, as well as other official types involved in that case, are hiding more about the murders than they are presenting. An easy way to find out if that is the case might be to find the very first lab result that the Suffolk police got in '93 regarding the dna from the McNamee and Tangredi murders.
Not sure about bittrolf ... i cant read him at all. Seems like a good old boy.
However, with evidence important to the bittrolf case conveniently missing it should have been thrown out. How can that issue ,in and of itself, not raise reasonable doubt in a juror is beyond my understanding???
When i think about bittrolf, a bob dylan lyric from hurricane plays in my head " all the criminals in their suits and their ties are free to drink martinis and watch the sunrise".
I DO think the atlantic city murders are connected to lisk. Like tina foglia, molly dilts said she was seeing a doctor.
Why in the world would melissa's boyfriend wait for the cops to pick him up to show them the house of the john on long island???? Why do we still not know where that house is and who it belongs to? If someone that i loved went missing, i would make sure law enforcement, the news, or the world knew the house. Its still not too late.
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"Given this guy's comments when he was interviewed by the police, I think there's substantial evidence," Biancavilla said Wednesday.
He declined to say what Bittrolff said....
At the end of that day, McLeer said Bittrolff asked him how they focused on him and got his DNA. McLeer said when Bittrolff’s brother got arrested on an unrelated charge, scientists determined his DNA was such a close match to the DNA found in both victims that it probably was left by a relative.
“I [expletive] knew it,” Bittrolff replied, according to McLeer.
Keahon suggested that was in response to realizing his brother inadvertently led police to him.
Re which murders are related, can there really be three different killers that steal shoes from their victims and bash their skulls to the point that their brains are partially pushed out?
I'm confused. I have never seen anything indicating that LISK (at least G4) or AC had their skulls bashed.
Police have yet to link their deaths with the four victims in New Jersey - Kim Raffo, Molly Jean Dilts, Barbara Breidor and Tracy Ann Roberts. But there are several coincidences.
In each case, the killer dumped four prostitutes near water and in close proximity. The bodies were in various stages of decomposition, suggesting he kept some for a time after they died.
All eight were sex workers, and the four in New York used Craigslist. Each had been strangled.
He had removed the shoes from both sets of bodies, though the women in New Jersey were clothed. Those in Long Island had been stripped naked and were found without jewellery or belongings, each wrapped in burlap.
'It's the same guy,'one law-enforcement source told the Post.
Tangredi was found dead in a wooded area in East Patchogue in November 1993; McNamee was found dead two months later in the woods in Shirley. Both women – who were considered sex workers at the time – were found nude, beaten and strangled, police said.
They had been beaten so brutally that their brains were ripped from their heads, CBS 2’s McLogan reported.
Leser says that both women were working, street-walking prostitutes near the Patchogue Inn, a hot sheets motel on Main Street in Patchogue which was a red-light district back in the 1990s. "Both women were brutally beaten and strangled," said Leser. "He crushed their skulls and choked them to death." ... "There was no semen in Sandra Costilla," said Sgt. Leser. "But like Tangredi and McNamee her left shoe was missing." ... During the homicide squad's sweep of the Patchogue netherworld John Bittrolff was never questioned because although he'd been arrested for a DWI and a bar fight, he had no history of contact with prostitutes.
Investigators believe she was killed by a crushing blow to the head. ... Each was found nude. Police believe the women, who have not been identified, may have been transient prostitutes because a nationwide check of missing persons turned up no clues and no one has reported them missing. The women apparently were killed elsewhere and their bodies dumped. ... The first victim was discovered by a pizza worker behind a Yonkers pizzeria June 27, 1992. The victim, found in a plastic garbage bag, had a gaping hole in the back of the head from an ax-like weapon. ... The severed limbs were not found in any of the cases, police said. Gierasch said there were no apparent links between the three mutilation killings and the murders of three prostitutes in Suffolk County in 1993 and 1994.
Leser says that both women were working, street-walking prostitutes near the Patchogue Inn, a hot sheets motel on Main Street in Patchogue which was a red-light district back in the 1990s. "Both women were brutally beaten and strangled," said Leser. "He crushed their skulls and choked them to death."
Caplan said one wound to the left side of Tangredi’s head left a 4-by-2 1⁄2 inch hole in her skull, with bone fragments driven into her brain. A fracture extended from that hole to behind her nose, and back across the base of her skull to behind her left ear, Caplan said. Autopsy photos showed her skull was almost cracked in two.
I'm confused. I have never seen anything indicating that LISK (at least G4) or AC had their skulls bashed.
*:thinking:Assistant Suffolk District Attorney Robert Biancavilla said in court that DNA from the Tangredi and McNamee crime scenes was that of "a single-source male." The Suffolk crime lab was able to "enhance" those samples and, over the course of a long investigation, "an exemplar DNA sample* " was obtained and matched to both victims.
Sorry, I meant that the cases overlapped in a lot of ways and there were a number of these overlapping cases besides the three that police say Bittrolff was involved in, which involved that.
There seems to be a pattern that evolves a bit with what seem like trivial differences. Here is a very partial list.
Start with Jessica Manners found naked and strangled with semen in her body. Slightly different because she was 14 years old but similarity is there. Police arrest Christopher Loliscio and he admits he had sex with her but says he did not kill her. A brief look at the evidence strongly supports him not being the killer.
From http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nager-phone-sent-texts-strangling-victim.html
Then the ones police say Bittrolff killed
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/07/31/long-island-man-pleads-not-guilty-in-cold-case-murders/
http://www.indyeastend.com/Articles...7-THE-COP-WHO-TRACKED-A-COLD-CASE-KILLER.html
And then this from shortly after Tangredi and McNamee.
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/nude-woman-found-butchered-article-1.702864
Since the victim that was identified http://buffalonews.com/1995/12/14/dismembered-victim-identified/ Melani Vilavencencio does not appear anywhere on Google except for that article, I'm guessing it is 'unsolved'.
Note http://www.indyeastend.com/Articles...7-THE-COP-WHO-TRACKED-A-COLD-CASE-KILLER.html
More likely, if brain matter were expelled, they were choked to death first then bashed with some object. Very difficult to break the skull clean open without some object. Is it a trivial mistake Leser made?
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/...ial-hears-gruesome-autopsy-details-1.13701086
My guess is that
1) it would be very rare for two separate killers to take shoes from their victims. That by itself should be enough to call several of the other murders probably related to Tangredi and McNamee.
2) It would be very rare for a killer to both strangle and smash the skull of a victim. So if there are multiple bodies, the 3 Bittrolff was accused of and the three that don't seem mentioned elsewhere, with smashed skulls they are probably related.
Also, it is important to remember that the detectives who gave evidence to convict Bittrolff were employed, and promoted, at a time when you did not get promoted for competence. They were detectives who did as they were told, including, and there seems to be plenty to support this, fabricating evidence.
Everything about this looks like a group of police officers who followed victims, from Jessica Manners on, and arranged the crimes to appear a certain way. From the culture of scpd at that time it may well have been several cops acting more or less independantly but in sort of competition or rivalry, discussing amongst themselves what they did within the protected walls of their little mafia.
It seems certain, just from reading the statements of Leser and Gierasch, that something they are hiding about these murders is significant.
Here's the tldr version
Lisk may be a loose knit group of cops who discussed their crimes amongst each other. It seems like a very strange thing, but an analogy would be similar crimes in wartime. You can find people who served in various wars who will brag about raping and killing women. Maybe brag is the wrong word. In those cases you had a group of guys with absolute authority to do anything, with the absolute certainty that their buddies would back them up with literally no limits or restrictions. When these guys are in their little group, while they have power, there is a rush they get from being able to do certain things at will. It seems likely that scpd may have had groups like that.
Didn't Robert Shulman confess to the Yonkers victim?
http://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2015/06/02/yonkers-victim-serial-killer/28353213/
Actually I noticed there were a bunch of serial killers arrested at that time, but I didn't know one or more of those three apparently related killings was attributed to one of them.
So is Melani Vilavencencio considered to be one of his victims? Why is there only one mention of her on Google, and that from an upstate paper?
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Anyway, considering all things, a person should draw conclusions from evidence and not from convictions. A conviction only means the police were able to convince a jury. Facts weigh more than sleight of hand.
both of her hands had been cut off .... Because there was no way to fingerprint the victim...
One last thing I'm curious about and am having a hard time finding information on.
Did either Shulman or Steven Lavalle http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/ex-con-nabbed-rape-slaying-teacher-article-1.760592 ever challenge their confessions?
My guess is that both might be guilty, but there are some real absurdities in claims the police made about LaValle and Shulman seems the type who could be made to confess to anything convincingly.
Shulman did not challenge his confession. And the physical & circumstantial evidence against him were overwhelming. Plus his brother plead guilty to helping him dispose of the bodies. But I can see why the suspicion given who his attorney was. It is possible that Tangredi & McNamee could be Shulman. Some believe there were more victims attributed to him. But neither of them were dismembered, which seemed to be Shulman's preferred method of disposal. I am not familiar with LaValle so I can't comment on that.
I have speculated on here that Shulman's brother may have continued his brother's killing style and be responsible for some of the victims along Ocean Parkway.