Federal Indictment: James Burke, Former Suffolk Co PD Chief, December 2015

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Ah that's a new name to me. Just looked it up. I wonder what years Joey Buttafuoco had the mechanic shop on Long Island? I know he had it early 90s with Amy Fisher incident, then was banned from owning one in California. Did he set one up again in Long Island in 2000s? The Dark Minds documentary on LISK implicates someone who owns a Mechanic shop as being LISK, and placing the weird dolls on the grave sites

I've stopped laughing long enough to respond, not at your comment but at the very thought of Joey Buttafucco being involved in any murder's. IMHO he's merely a goomba idiot! Sorry, I just had to say that!!:laughing:
 
Did Shannan's disappearance "make news" in Long Island in May 2010?

Thanks for the explanation about LI and corruption.

No it took a couple of weeks before it started showing up on the local news here..... It wasn't a front page story, just a blip on local news. If for no other reason than it was at the time being related to the AC murder's.

If I remember the story correctly the story was about a woman from New Jersey missing. There was no mention of her running out of JB's house, nothing about GC, or the driver. Of course it was mentioned that she was a prostitute. No mention of PH and him calling Mari, just that a New Jersey woman disappearing on Long Island.
 
Maybe LISK is a small man and having petite women makes him feel like a big man....????

Yes! Could be. In some section of his life he is "lacking" at least in his mind so he seeks out what he finds weak & it makes him feel big. Like all cowards. Even if he has a wife or girlfriend he probably has severe mommy issues & hates women deep down. That's how I sense it.


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Yes! Could be. In some section of his life he is "lacking" at least in his mind so he seeks out what he finds weak & it makes him feel big. Like all cowards. Even if he has a wife or girlfriend he probably has severe mommy issues & hates women deep down. That's how I sense it.


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I agree, he's a real coward with mommy issue's. When AC happened and soon followed up with this LISK scene as a woman/girl/lady I was petrified. I didn't see any of these women as sex workers, I saw them first as women. I don't know about any other local women that I know/knew who would discuss what was happening around us and I was too afraid. But as time has gone on I realized he's no one I need to fear. With the possibility of multiple SK's around me I think they are ALL cowards who can't pick on someone their own size.

I admit the killings did a lot to change my behavior even though I wasn't in the sex trade, wasn't a drug addict, or any high risk behaviors. What you wrote is all true, whoever he is, he isn't all that. He's or they are no mythical creature's who believe they are accomplishing something great by killing women.

Even if he does have a wife/girlfriend/family, he has absolutely no respect for them. Sounds a lot like JB (James Burke). He's just a vile, disgusting human garbage.
 
Yes! Could be. In some section of his life he is "lacking" at least in his mind so he seeks out what he finds weak & it makes him feel big. Like all cowards. Even if he has a wife or girlfriend he probably has severe mommy issues & hates women deep down. That's how I sense it.


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Can anyone tell me Shannon's weight and height. Did she fit the profile of petite?

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No it took a couple of weeks before it started showing up on the local news here..... It wasn't a front page story, just a blip on local news. If for no other reason than it was at the time being related to the AC murder's.

If I remember the story correctly the story was about a woman from New Jersey missing. There was no mention of her running out of JB's house, nothing about GC, or the driver. Of course it was mentioned that she was a prostitute. No mention of PH and him calling Mari, just that a New Jersey woman disappearing on Long Island.

Thank you for responding with such detail. I think it's easy to forget that LISK may have not been aware of Shannan's disappearance at all.

So 2 scenarios are:

LISK had no involvement in Shannan's disappearance or death and knew nothing about it, which is why he continued with his disposal site a few miles down the road on Ocean Parkway 38 days later in June.

OR, LISK did have something to do with Shannan’s death and he placed her in the marsh to look like an accident (since people already saw her in Oak Beach) and he continued with placing the other women on Ocean Parkway because there was relatively no media coverage of Shannan’s disappearance anyway.
 
Yes! Could be. In some section of his life he is "lacking" at least in his mind so he seeks out what he finds weak & it makes him feel big. Like all cowards. Even if he has a wife or girlfriend he probably has severe mommy issues & hates women deep down. That's how I sense it.


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He is lacking in his mind, heart and spirit - that's for sure. I hope the women he killed haunt the heck out of him. To seek out such tiny women
he's got to be a loser. If he is still out there killing, I hope he picks the wrong woman to tangle with.

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Can anyone tell me Shannon's weight and height. Did she fit the profile of petite?

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Well the GB4 were all like 5'0" or less even. No, I wouldn't say Shannan was petite. She was 5'7" from what I've read. She was on the thin side weighing 124 lbs, though.

I just looked it up.
ALC was 4'11"
MB was 4'10" 95 lbs
MBB was 4'11"
MW I can't find but I know she was a bit taller. Only a bit. All very petite women.

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Great job to the lady that came forward that must be hard someday when this case is solved & the families have their peace she'll be that angel! I think PH did it & JB had something to do with the escorts & covered it up! Do you agree?
 
The long 911 tape is where all the evidence is otherwise they would release it by now i'm guessing she named names & if she did good girl sooner or later it will be released!!!
 
Thank you for responding with such detail. I think it's easy to forget that LISK may have not been aware of Shannan's disappearance at all.

So 2 scenarios are:

LISK had no involvement in Shannan's disappearance or death and knew nothing about it, which is why he continued with his disposal site a few miles down the road on Ocean Parkway 38 days later in June.

OR, LISK did have something to do with Shannan’s death and he placed her in the marsh to look like an accident (since people already saw her in Oak Beach) and he continued with placing the other women on Ocean Parkway because there was relatively no media coverage of Shannan’s disappearance anyway.

It's strange that I never looked at it that way. I mean a girl from New Jersey was missing and a few months later bodies were being found. It was only after all the bodies were found that I started putting Shannan together with the other's. I don't think Shannan & LISK are connected, but if it weren't for Shannan's disappearance, we might never have known LISK exists.

My personal opinion is that LISK never wanted those bodies found and Shannan's disappearance rocked his world.

You made me start thinking about what was going on when it all began. How now all the player's, their names, occupations, etc have since come to light. None of this was known or in the news at the time of Shannan's disappearance. It was a few days, maybe even a week later when the local news provided the very first witness, Gus Coletti.

He gave his witness statement to the news and I remember getting chills down my spine. He talked about the SUV driving really slow, which caused Shannan to run out of Gus' house to hide. It was then that she ran to the side/back of his house and hid behind a boat. No one knew at the time that this was someone that Shannan knew either. There was no Michael Pak, just this stranger, driving a car, looking for a girl.

We didn't know if he was the good guy or the bad guy and certainly not her driver. It was all so ominious at the time, who was that man and was he trying to hurt her. Then the story sort of disappeared but I kept looking for updates and there weren't any.

It has always bothered me and unless it's eventually explained why, I can't understand why Michael Pak left without finding Shannan. He knew she was somewhere in this unknown community and he just left. Why would he leave her stranded on LI when she's from New Jersey? Could it just be a simple, he got worried after Gus told him he had called the police? Possibly/probably which is just awful.....

Shannan might still be alive had he stuck around and waited for her to calm down from her panic. But then without knowing what she experienced that night, maybe she feared him too. The release of the tape could resolve a lot of questions that the public has.

My best friends husband was a Jersey City cop and when Shannan disappeared he said, she's just a hooker! Nobody cares..... That he said she was "just" a hooker, felt like a stab to my heart because clearly it told me that men/cops have little to no respect for these women who are struggling to survive, who have families, children, and friends. They are all real people, not throwaways. But that's just my personal feeling about all of these women...
 
Quite frankly it's extremely upsetting that this entire James Burke/Corruption within SCPD has derailed the LISK case. All focus has been taken away, even if it's just in the media and not within the investigation.

It's become a distraction and doesn't solve the bigger problem, women being murdered and thrown away. You have to figure what's more important or what's more salicious, murder or corruption?

I liked Dormer's presence and him being on the case, but Dominick Varrone, I never trusted a single thing coming out of his mouth. I can't stand him. I personally don't think Dormer was involved in any corruption that was going on at the time, which is a good thing, regardless if he's nothing more than a drunk. Heck after all he's been through and seen in his career, who can blame him for drinking.

Burke and his criminal activities are far worse than any of us will ever know, he's bad to the bone. Yet he kept going up the ranks, to a place he never belonged. He was/is more crooked than the crooks his department arrested. I'm glad he was finally brought down and hope whoever else that was involved in all this corruption is served some justice.

But politic's ain't my thing, so it's sort of ironic how Shannan's disappearance and death has brought to the surface so many things that are so wrong in society. People would still be walking around blindly as these dirtbags continued all their bad behavior's. They should all be in jail. I'd be real worried if I was in the DA's office, some defense lawyers might start questioning ALL the convictions that have come down the pike during all of this, going back how many years. How many are sitting in prison wrongly convicted? The DA is going to have to answer to this and can't keep saying they didn't know Jimmy Burke was bad or the only corrupt official.
 
Thank you for responding with such detail. I think it's easy to forget that LISK may have not been aware of Shannan's disappearance at all.

LISK had no involvement in Shannan's disappearance or death and knew nothing about it, which is why he continued with his disposal site a few miles down the road on Ocean Parkway 38 days later in June.

Yes he continued dumping in June and then in September with Amber Costello. He wasn't disturbed or aware of Shannan's disappearance at all it would seem.
 
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He gave his witness statement to the news and I remember getting chills down my spine. He talked about the SUV driving really slow, which caused Shannan to run out of Gus' house to hide. It was then that she ran to the side/back of his house and hid behind a boat. No one knew at the time that this was someone that Shannan knew either. There was no Michael Pak, just this stranger, driving a car, looking for a girl.

We didn't know if he was the good guy or the bad guy and certainly not her driver. It was all so ominious at the time, who was that man and was he trying to hurt her. Then the story sort of disappeared but I kept looking for updates and there weren't any.

It has always bothered me and unless it's eventually explained why, I can't understand why Michael Pak left without finding Shannan. He knew she was somewhere in this unknown community and he just left. Why would he leave her stranded on LI when she's from New Jersey? Could it just be a simple, he got worried after Gus told him he had called the police? Possibly/probably which is just awful.....

I've snipped the part I want to address, we all would react differently in that situation. I can only draw on how I think I would act vs how I have acted.
I remember vividly one night I was out with some friends in a different city to where I live about 10-15 years ago now, one girl was known not to be able to handle her drink. True to form she got really drunk and was pretty much out of control. We called her boyfriend who was about 30 minutes away, I recall we left her in the bar and called her boyfriend a short time later to see if she was ok, turned out after we left she was thrown out and then arrested for being abusive to a doorman.

So my point is this, according to Pak, Shannan was a girl who was bi-polar and had similar episodes before. Oak Beach is a gated community, could Pak have reacted how we did that night? Tried to calm her down, but when she was unresponsive he simply thought, "Ah well, it's a quiet community, she'll turn up when she's calmed down" so drove off, but when he returned a few hours later she in fact hadn't turned up.
 
BARBIE - truth is Shannan was "just a hooker'' and nobody really cares. When you come right down to it I never lost a wink of sleep for any of the murders I responded to and was involved in some way with the investigation. The Jersey cop was just stating a reality. It is a lot more complicated than that.

Dormer is an idiot and he is as corrupt as any of the other ones. He is just too stupid to convert his corruption into cash. You don't trust Varrone? Did you ever see the 7 part You Tube series produced by Arrow Security. Both Dormer and Varrone pimped themselves out for commercial purposes.

Dormer....... I wouldn't even pee on his grave. It is hard to believe someone so stupid could be a police commissioner.
 
Curb crawlers - Like that phrase…. The Suffolk DA has one of their very own……..probably more than one. One such ‘curb crawler’ picks up a guy and it turns into some sort of altercation. I ask you this: what is a grown man doing picking up another grown man he doesn’t even know?
The pedestrian is arrested. He has a record you would expect from a street hustler. The driver is a ranking member of DA Spota’s office. Recent newspaper articles suggest this person is under federal investigation, possibly for bribery/fixing cases.
The street hustler goes to jail for a short period of time. He was represented by a former Suffolk ADA that has fallen out of favor with the Spota “Criminal Enterprise”. Attorney will dissolve his partnership and place the file in a storage facility. Storage facility is burglarized. Only a few files are missing. Can you guess which one? AND THAT IS ONLY THE BEGINNING OF A VERY WILD STORY.
 
Barbie,

It has always bothered me and unless it's eventually explained why, I can't understand why Michael Pak left without finding Shannan. He knew she was somewhere in this unknown community and he just left. Why would he leave her stranded on LI when she's from New Jersey? Could it just be a simple, he got worried after Gus told him he had called the police? Possibly/probably which is just awful.....



I believe MP left for one several reasons,
1) The Shannan 'problem' was taken care of. He was aware that she was not going to need a ride out of Oak Beach.
2) He had her in his vehicle and it was time to leave, especially before LE arrived.
3) He was told to leave, by somebody holding Shannan, and that his services were no longer needed.

To me, as SG's driver and protector, MP had no reason to leave Oak Beach unless he already knew her fate was sealed. That is so sad.
 
Curb crawlers - Like that phrase…. The Suffolk DA has one of their very own……..probably more than one. One such ‘curb crawler’ picks up a guy and it turns into some sort of altercation. I ask you this: what is a grown man doing picking up another grown man he doesn’t even know?
The pedestrian is arrested. He has a record you would expect from a street hustler. The driver is a ranking member of DA Spota’s office. Recent newspaper articles suggest this person is under federal investigation, possibly for bribery/fixing cases.
The street hustler goes to jail for a short period of time. He was represented by a former Suffolk ADA that has fallen out of favor with the Spota “Criminal Enterprise”. Attorney will dissolve his partnership and place the file in a storage facility. Storage facility is burglarized. Only a few files are missing. Can you guess which one? AND THAT IS ONLY THE BEGINNING OF A VERY WILD STORY.

Does the former adas last name start with a G hawk? Im aware of a former ada who became a pay for play defense attny it seemed. As long as you paid this guy an arm and a leg, he could get you off of almost anything. I saw it first hand and was disgusted, but not surprised at all being a LI local that pays attn to local politics.
 
Barbie,

It has always bothered me and unless it's eventually explained why, I can't understand why Michael Pak left without finding Shannan. He knew she was somewhere in this unknown community and he just left. Why would he leave her stranded on LI when she's from New Jersey? Could it just be a simple, he got worried after Gus told him he had called the police? Possibly/probably which is just awful.....



I believe MP left for one several reasons,
1) The Shannan 'problem' was taken care of. He was aware that she was not going to need a ride out of Oak Beach.
2) He had her in his vehicle and it was time to leave, especially before LE arrived.
3) He was told to leave, by somebody holding Shannan, and that his services were no longer needed.

To me, as SG's driver and protector, MP had no reason to leave Oak Beach unless he already knew her fate was sealed. That is so sad.

I agree the fact that he left her there like "oh well" will always bother me. He either was aware of what was happening/would happen or was just a lousy person.


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