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Thanks, AZ. No wool fibers on the blanket takes some things off the table. :thumb:
 
OT: FYI...there is a whole thread on the Tiffany ring. I just thought I'd add that little observation in the summary.
 
In my opinion the black dress appears to be a knit type dress with some lycra in it. Think of a fitted T-shirt. Definately not wool.

The pic of Casey with the group of guys with Tony and Casey in the blue dress is not the same guy in the other pic of Casey and the "guy". Both have on the same color backwards hat but that isn't Tony (IMO). Actually I just went back and looked at both pics. Tony is wearing a green hat, other guy is wearing a blue or grey hat. Chain is not on that guy like what Tony had on that night.

Keep up the great work everyone!

ETA: And for what it is worth I don't think that blue dress night is the same as black dress night. In the black dress pic you can see parts of Casey's black bra. If it was the same bra it would show in the blue dress pic since both are just as low cut. IMO of course.
 
AZlawyer said:
I checked the forensics summary at Val's site (hinkymeter), and no black wool fibers were found on Q82 (the WTP blanket).

I don't think chloroform would dissolve wool, because old magazine articles say you can use chloroform to clean stains from wool.

So...what if the "dresser of winter stuff" had a drawer--the "Caylee's stuff" drawer--that contained (1) the WTP blanket and other winter bedthings, and (2) black wool winter hat/mittens/scarf for Caylee, any of which could have been used to apply chloroform?
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Respectfully BBM. Wonder if Caylee and/or Mama doll may have had a matching sweater or sweater set ensemble? Perhaps handmade by a family member? Or perhaps there was a set purchased for Caylee and held onto for the following winter?

It seems pretty hinky that Mama doll contained the same fibers? KWIM? Was she possibly wearing whatever black wool item it is we are looking for?
 
AZlawyer said:
BJB, are you suggesting that Casey would have worn the same outfit to Fusian 2 Fridays in a row? I don't care how homeless she was, there is no way this would happen. :snooty:

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I am leaning toward the idea of a black wool something being used to administer chloroform prior to the duct tape application. :( The fibers would have come off the wool item onto Caylee's face if the item was wet from chloroform, and then transferred to the tape when it was applied.

It doesn't make sense to line up duct tape pieces on something wool before using them. You would want to stick them on something smooth--plastic, metal, etc. And the fibers were not on Q104, correct? Just the pieces of duct tape found on the skull? So it seems to me that the fibers must have been from something that touched those three pieces of tape but did NOT touch Q104 (which might have been around Caylee's wrists).

Also, I don't see Casey going into the "Caylee's stuff" drawer of the spare room dresser to look for something to wear to a club. Or into Cindy's sweater drawer for that matter. And wasn't Cindy saying that the sweaters were kept in a different drawer from Caylee's stuff (including the blanket)?

Anyway. Stream of consciousness stuff here, but for a variety of reasons I think a black wool makeshift chloroform cloth makes most sense. Would there be anything left of something like that after 6 months in a swamp?
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Sorry...haven't had time to read through the thread today...but could anything wool be used to shine a car? I would imagine it would have to be a soft cloth...something Casey could have retrieved from the garage. It may have started out as an item of clothing, but if it were no longer needed, turned into a useful rag?

ETA: forgive me for asking, but did they specify what kind of wool it was? Lambs wool can be used for drying cars.
 
BondJamesBond said:
:slap: me for not thinking of this earlier.

Obviously need to scrutinize this dress for potential to contain some wool. I would expect that to be UNlikely, but, worth considering closely.

There's work to do here, but, consider that disposal day was 6/20 IMHO based on several independent factors I can't list now. Tape w/ adhesive-side fibers from this dress would seem to suggest tape application 6/20. :shocked2:

Also re: WTP blanket work to do. Perhaps it was retrieved simply to "hold" the body for the transfer into the plastic that afternoon.

Much to consider. :waitasec:
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BJB...did they check all of Casey's clothes that were packed in the duffle brought back from Tony's? I don't remember seeing forensics on those clothes.
 
RR0004 said:
BJB...did they check all of Casey's clothes that were packed in the duffle brought back from Tony's? I don't remember seeing forensics on those clothes.
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I don't recall the descriptions that we've seen so far specify anything from the duffle either. Not that they haven't been done...just haven't seen anything that makes it easy for us to track them IYKWIM. Others certainly more versed please chime in.


TorisMom003 said:
In my opinion the black dress appears to be a knit type dress with some lycra in it. Think of a fitted T-shirt. Definately not wool.
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*snipped*

Yeh, you're prolly right...but it was so much more enjoyable sleuthin' it out a little bit this afternoon. ;)
 
Did we ever rule out the fibers coming from wool ball caps? We knew ICA wore them and could, possibly could, have "borrowed" or taken one from someone else without them even knowing it. Goodness knows, those parties were liquid enhanced at best. And ICA was known to enjoy drinking.

I am still on the fence about chloroform usage, I can't see it, but cannot discount the forensic reports either. Just don't know where it would have come from. I see more of ICA using OTC meds to put Caylee to sleep when she wanted to.

Wonder if we will see any future forensic evidence in this new batch of 5000 soon to be released docs. I know I read about letters to ICA being released but 5K of them????? And I know its O/T here in this thread, but how is her $$$$$ account doing?
 
countzero said:
Did we ever rule out the fibers coming from wool ball caps? We knew ICA wore them and could, possibly could, have "borrowed" or taken one from someone else without them even knowing it. Goodness knows, those parties were liquid enhanced at best. And ICA was known to enjoy drinking.
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*snipped*

Nooo, I can assure you we have not ruled out the ball caps. I realize that well-made ball caps are often made of wool and you are correct that she and her friends were known to wear them often. Everything is still on the table as far as I am concerned, with ball caps being right up there as a distinct possibility. In fact, I've been looking all day at TonyL and others wearing ball caps that appear to be black. It crossed my mind then. No clue if they are made of wool, but that is certainly worth sleuthing.


I think the focus just shifted since mom2chloe's discovery in CA's state depo that the WTP blanket found with Caylee's remains was stored in the spare bedroom/computer room in the same dresser that stored CA's winter sweaters/clothing. That is a huge find and puts the blanket in the same vicinity as possible wool fibers. IOW, Casey HAD to open the drawer containing the blanket. She very well might have opened another drawer in the same dresser to collect a wool item to use for some nefarious reason.
 
countzero said:
Did we ever rule out the fibers coming from wool ball caps? We knew ICA wore them and could, possibly could, have "borrowed" or taken one from someone else without them even knowing it. Goodness knows, those parties were liquid enhanced at best. And ICA was known to enjoy drinking.

I am still on the fence about chloroform usage, I can't see it, but cannot discount the forensic reports either. Just don't know where it would have come from. I see more of ICA using OTC meds to put Caylee to sleep when she wanted to.

Wonder if we will see any future forensic evidence in this new batch of 5000 soon to be released docs. I know I read about letters to ICA being released but 5K of them????? And I know its O/T here in this thread, but how is her $$$$$ account doing?
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We have never been able to rule out ball caps that I know of and as evident today, in reviewing the photos, I saw black and white photos of KC wearing what I believe to be an Ohio State cap and although the quality of the pic is certainly lacking, I do agree that it could be a wool ball cap.

As far as the chloroform levels, I think JWG has previously theorized ( and subsequently proven at least in my opinion) that the chloroform levels in the Pontiac trunk were indeed "uberexcessive," (my word, not his) which begs the question, is whatever little black wool fiber source we are looking for, something that was left in the trunk and disposed of prior to the abandonment at Amscott or immediately following the death? Is this same source responsible for the high levels of chloroform in the trunk?


I hold out hope that tomorrow's release may answer some questions, but given what we have received in the past, I remain a skeptic for as much as I appreciate the Sunshine Laws, I frequently feel as if I am all dressed up with no where to go...know what I mean?
 
doc dump tomorrow......here's hoping some of those fibres turn up!

http://www..com/2010/06/new-casey-anthony-evidence-to-be-released-tomorrow/
 
beach2yall said:
*snipped*

Nooo, I can assure you we have not ruled out the ball caps. I realize that well-made ball caps are often made of wool and you are correct that she and her friends were known to wear them often. Everything is still on the table as far as I am concerned, with ball caps being right up there as a distinct possibility. In fact, I've been looking all day at TonyL and others wearing ball caps that appear to be black. It crossed my mind then. No clue if they are made of wool, but that is certainly worth sleuthing.


I think the focus just shifted since mom2chloe's discovery in CA's state depo that the WTP blanket found with Caylee's remains was stored in the spare bedroom/computer room in the same dresser that stored CA's winter sweaters/clothing. That is a huge find and puts the blanket in the same vicinity as possible wool fibers. IOW, Casey HAD to open the drawer containing the blanket. She very well might have opened another drawer in the same dresser to collect a wool item to use for some nefarious reason.
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IIRC, we discussed the sweaters a very loooong time ago. There might be some good info hiding out somewhere in the forum
 
So, if the black wool fibers show up ONLY on Mama Doll and the 3 pieces of tape found on the skull, and Mama Doll was found naked, and her clothes were not listed (IIRC) as having been found elsewhere in the car...could Mama Doll have been dressed in some black wool thing that was soaked in chloroform? After all, Mama Doll is the one person who wouldn't have minded wearing wool in Florida in June.

Have we seen any pictures of Mama Doll wearing anything other than the pink outfit?
 
Ya know AZlawyer, I still am not off the chloroform fence. Anyhow, today reading those letters and laughing got me thinking. GA stated in one he sleeps with Caylees Teddy bear. Now I have made many a stuffed teddy bear, dogs and various other critters and I always used pieces of wool for the eye area before I attached one of the plastic ones once the kids got older. When they were infants and toddlers I couldn't use anything that could be pulled off, so I used wool pieces cut in the size of the eyes, nose, mouth and ears and then used yarn sewn in to outline the details. I remember making a dog that had a wool based with fur attached. Turned out really cute.

Just another thought to process this scenario out. I agree, one of baby mama doll outfits could have a piece of wool in it. A coat perhaps or maybe booties or any store bought knitted item for mama doll.
 
I don't think I could leave chloroform & Lexus in the parking lot for anyone else but you, AZ. :blowkiss:

Hafta ck the mamadoll thread, but, IIRC, no obvious black fabric.
 
I found this information in the huge 1405 page doc. The link I have for it no longer works and I have it saved in a flash drive so sorry for no link...

Pieces of black material is listed on the items found at the crime scene off Suburban Dr. These pieces were found in Area C. It does not state what type of fabric it was.

Page 10387 in the pdf:

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I haven't posted in a long time, but I had to jump in on this with a question. There's been some mention in the last letter doc dump of black bracelets worn by both Casey and Lee. Does anyone know what they were made of? Both Mallory and Cindy talk about Lee's fraying bracelet that Casey gave him. If Casey's had done the same, and there were wool fibers in it, couldn't it have made contact with both Mama and the duct tape?
Just speculating...
 
Cindy stated in an early interview that Casey had seat covers in the trunk in the blue bin. Do we know what happened to them?
 
flipflop53 said:
Cindy stated in an early interview that Casey had seat covers in the trunk in the blue bin. Do we know what happened to them?
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Great minds . . . I was just thinking about the seat covers. IIRC, Cindy went out of her way to describe them, and they didn't sound like they were wool. But we'll never know for sure what they were made of if they have disappeared. Once upon a time I had sheepskin covers for my front seats that were made of the tanned leather and natural hair (wool) of the sheep. They came in several colors -- cream, brown, black. The same material was also used to make seatbelt covers, which I think has been mentioned before.

Another thought. Someone earlier mentioned perhaps a black fabric to clean the car. Seems to me that I've seen cleaning "mitts" made of a wool or wool like material. Could Casey have had something like this in her trunk?
 
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