Fiber Analysis

[mom2chloe]

I'm starting this thread on fiber analysis because it has come up in several threads, for example, in regards to how the Henkel duct tape on Caylee's skull may relate to the Q66 Henkel duct tape found at Caylee's remains site, and also which of KC's clothing may have left fibers at Caylee's remains site.

In studying the fibers, people have noticed and posted about, e.g., blue fibers found on tape.

I put together this look at all fibers, color, type, and where they were found.

Of particular note to me are the notations regarding Q23 - Q25. Q23-25 are areas of the trunk. I'm interested in exploring if this means that fibers from the items on which the Q23-25 notations are made match to fibers found on Q23-Q25.

I've googled trying to find out what MTFVTC means, and found nothing specific. The closest I can come from what I did find is Military Treatment Facility (MTF) and Video Tele Conference (VTC). I also wondered if MTF could possibly mean 'Match To Fiber'?? Maybe just wishful thinking

My document reference is:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/GASTANK-DUCTTAPEEVIDENCE.pdf

To keep this post from being too lengthy, I'll add another post with my 'chart' of fibers after this post.

BBM

Hubby, who is a litigation paralegal, says he believes this means Multiple Textured Fiber Voids Type Combination, which he says generalizes/describes multiple types of fibers in a specific location together. Hope this helps!

 

[mom2chloe]

Just adding my :twocents: about the blue dress.
It looked like polyester, Casey's clothes all looked rather cheap to me.

I'm thinking the blue dress looked like cotton/poly blend since there appears to have been a Lycra component to the dress.

 

[Curious Me]

Astounded to find out how intriquing this fiber analysis is!

Yes, in the Blockbuster pics it does look like she may have taken one of her tank tops off. I never noticed how strange the white triangle scarf on her head looked. Why'd she go with that look? Anyways, one of the tank tops looks light blue.

The blue dress doesn't look like cotton to me.

I'm very hopeful there could be good evidence within the fibers found.

The tape may have not been put on in the trunk of the car it sounds.

Thanks for starting this thread, BeanE.

 

[BeanE]

The WTP blanket was brought up a few posts back, and the possibility of Caylee having been bagged (dear God I hate to type that) before being placed in the trunk.

My assumption has been that Caylee was killed in the A house. I'm thinking of the sequence here. Tape, then wrap in blanket, then place in first plastic garbage bag, then place in second garbage bag, then place in laundry bag.

The 'packaging' (containment) would be why there're no matching fibers tape <--> trunk.

However, if the next closest thing to Caylee's body would be the WTP blanket (correct or not?), in which case there could be WTP blanket fibers on the tape and in Caylee's hair. But... I'm not seeing an attempt to match tape fibers to WTP blanket fibers.

Does anyone else see tape fibers <--> blanket fibers match attempts in the notes in the documents?

If they did not check this, I can't think of the reason they would not. Your thoughts on this appreciated.

I'm also finding the fiber aspects fascinating, and sure didn't expect to.

 

[RR0004]

AZ is this what you are referring to- see attachment below?

page 10

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/conwayrelease.pdf

I also thought there was a similar statement made comparing fibers with items from the home...but I could be VERY wrong.

 

[RR0004]

The WTP blanket was brought up a few posts back, and the possibility of Caylee having been bagged (dear God I hate to type that) before being placed in the trunk.

My assumption has been that Caylee was killed in the A house. I'm thinking of the sequence here. Tape, then wrap in blanket, then place in first plastic garbage bag, then place in second garbage bag, then place in laundry bag.

The 'packaging' (containment) would be why there're no matching fibers tape <--> trunk.

However, if the next closest thing to Caylee's body would be the WTP blanket (correct or not?), in which case there could be WTP blanket fibers on the tape and in Caylee's hair. But... I'm not seeing an attempt to match tape fibers to WTP blanket fibers.

Does anyone else see tape fibers <--> blanket fibers match attempts in the notes in the documents?

If they did not check this, I can't think of the reason they would not. Your thoughts on this appreciated.

I'm also finding the fiber aspects fascinating, and sure didn't expect to.

I would think if they did match or attempt to match it with the blanket that might be one of the last pieces of evidence they would release.

 

[magic-cat]

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Hope I did this right.
First picture looks like Casey is actually sandwiched between TL and another person as they walk in.
Second picture is I believe Casey and TL, where the other person is off camera.

Later pics in the sequence show Casey wearing Grey looking tank top with blue shorts.

My question is what is happening in the second picture where it appears she is either pulling something over her head, or maybe just doing her usual fidgeting with her hair and cap?
Since I can't see what she has on in the first picture, it is hard to tell what she actually had on when he she entered the store.

Not a single trunk fiber was found on the tape -- sounds like still more exculpatory evidence.

Prosecutors are not doing well as regards locating any inculpatory fiber, tape, DNA or hair evidence, rest assured the defense appreciates these gifts from the State.

Thanks for pulling that up for us! I think the strange person is in the front because I can see Tony's blue and white shirt on the arms of the person in the middle. It looks like KC is bringing up the rear and has a triangle scarf on her head or something. In another photo it looked to me like her shirt was multi-colored with light blue, but gray is also a possibility. You're right she is probably messing around with her cap - she can't keep her hands off herself. There is another shot of them from the back I believe - right near the counter - and I got a better gander at her top in that one.

Also - regarding that blanket that was supposedly stored in the trunk. I think it was plaid? Could that have blue fibers (or black and white ones) on it? Perhaps she laid it out over the bottom of the trunk and set Caylee on top of it. Was that blanket ever recovered into evidence?

There is no other person between Casey and Tony. She is walking right on his heels with just enough space to either put something IN or to take something OUT of her infamous white backpack in front of her...Then she is lifting it back onto her back where she likes to carry it...

And in response to Wudge? When one is INSIDE of a series of black garbage bags and then INSIDE of a lined laundry tote one is not apt to have trunk fibers on ones body. Even if one were to come into direct contact with the trunk, and having been later bagged, in a flooded area such as was the disposal site, and in consideration of the length of time and the scattered and gnawed upon condition of the skeleton and the victims OWN DNA not being on the tape? Doesn't mean a thing to me. That there are ANY fibers left on that baby is a wonder in itself.

 

[Imbackon]

There is no other person between Casey and Tony. She is walking right on his heels with just enough space to either put something IN or to take something OUT of her infamous white backpack in front of her...Then she is lifting it back onto her back where she likes to carry it...

I don't see a backpack in later stills though.

To me, the person behind TL has a pink shirt with no straps at first.
So you are saying Casey did in fact put another shirt on then?
Not sure this makes any difference, it's just that I find the stills from Blockbuster hard to figure out, and was thinking (like others) that what she was wearing that very day/evening could be pertinent to the fibers. I wish I could find the actual video stream online but I bet it plays a part in the trial and maybe we will see it then.
Sounds like fibers are going to be a tough go either way since so much time before the body/fibers discovery was made.
Drat

 

[cecybeans]

I imagine that those blue fibers are being broken down chemically and carefully studied to see just what sort of item they might belong to. I sure hope they can tie it to KC somehow. The delay and obfuscation, the elaborate smoke screen of duplicitous denial that she and her family have thrown up in front of everyone is almost as unforgivable as the actual crime itself.

 

[tankgirl]

Not a single trunk fiber was found on the tape -- sounds like still more exculpatory evidence.

Prosecutors are not doing well as regards locating any inculpatory fiber, tape, DNA or hair evidence, rest assured the defense appreciates these gifts from the State.

Ouch.. yes, it's true. As there will be a jury comprised of thinking, feeling humans (as opposed to 1/0 robots), the defense needs a few breaks. Should make for a very interesting trial.

Always good to hear your voice through the choir, Wudge. You make some very good points.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I imagine that those blue fibers are being broken down chemically and carefully studied to see just what sort of item they might belong to. I sure hope they can tie it to KC somehow. The delay and obfuscation, the elaborate smoke screen of duplicitous denial that she and her family have thrown up in front of everyone is almost as unforgivable as the actual crime itself.

What about the rug that was taken off the back porch by LE? Have we seen fiber testing and matching on that?

 

[Harmony 2]

The WTP blanket was brought up a few posts back, and the possibility of Caylee having been bagged (dear God I hate to type that) before being placed in the trunk.

My assumption has been that Caylee was killed in the A house. I'm thinking of the sequence here. Tape, then wrap in blanket, then place in first plastic garbage bag, then place in second garbage bag, then place in laundry bag.

The 'packaging' (containment) would be why there're no matching fibers tape <--> trunk.

However, if the next closest thing to Caylee's body would be the WTP blanket (correct or not?), in which case there could be WTP blanket fibers on the tape and in Caylee's hair. But... I'm not seeing an attempt to match tape fibers to WTP blanket fibers.

Does anyone else see tape fibers <--> blanket fibers match attempts in the notes in the documents?

If they did not check this, I can't think of the reason they would not. Your thoughts on this appreciated.

I'm also finding the fiber aspects fascinating, and sure didn't expect to.

Brainstorming.............. :waitasec:

I have also been thinking of the sequence of events and how all the pieces of evidence that we are aware of come into play. All the evidence will tell a story. At first I thought double bagging before placement in the trunk, because of the results on the fibers, but have had difficulty reconciling some of the pieces of evidence with that type of scenario. For instance, how would the volatile fatty acid- butyric acid, the residue of chloroform on the trunk liner, hair with death band and adipocere on paper towels come about if she was sealed in two bags and placed in a plastic lined laundry basket. Then I contemplate the testing the Body Farm did with the child wrapped in the blanket in the trunk and wonder if that is what they believe happened first in the sequence. We have not seen the blanket fibers compared to the trunk yet.

Consider the following:

Product Description
Heartwarming images of Pooh and Piglet exploring and relaxing add charm to this soft, snug classic Pooh fleece blanket. Comes tied with a green cloth ribbon. Coordinate with other Classic Pooh Collection items (sold separately). Polyester. Machine wash. Imported. 40Lx32W".


Image 22 of 37 Caylee's missing poster- National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

Height: 3'1" (94 cm)
Missing City: ORLANDO
Weight: 30 lbs (16 kg)

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/2/caylee_anthony_missing_for_nearly_six_weeks.html

The blanket seems big enough to have covered all of Caylee since it is 40Lx32W" and Caylee was just 3'1". If Caylee was wrapped in the blanket first and kept like that for a day or so it would explain the VFA, and the seepage of chloroform. If she was later moved to a bag it would explain finding the hair with the death band. Being wrapped would also explain the anaerobic type environment.

I am just brainstorming and have not figured out a sequence yet to fit the fibers and everything else we know. Considering her remains were in a flooded area, rained on, thrashed about by hurricane winds and animals it makes it very difficult.

 

[Jolynna]

KC is sitting on a chair at Tony's in picture 21. Looks like the chair has a blue throw over it that is fuzzy. http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/19104541/detail.html

In pictures 19 & 20 Caylee's face is puffy and she has a bruise under her right eye. That is the opposite eye that she had a bruise under in the picture of her at RM's apartment.

 

[doogiesgirl]

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Hope I did this right.
First picture looks like Casey is actually sandwiched between TL and another person as they walk in.
Second picture is I believe Casey and TL, where the other person is off camera.

Later pics in the sequence show Casey wearing Grey looking tank top with blue shorts.

My question is what is happening in the second picture where it appears she is either pulling something over her head, or maybe just doing her usual fidgeting with her hair and cap?
Since I can't see what she has on in the first picture, it is hard to tell what she actually had on when he she entered the store.

I have been wondering where these clothes and in particular where these shoes are for many many months. I haven't been able to find them in any of the search warrant pics. I think she dumped these clothes and shoes. She is on camera in Target on July 10th (I think) buying what looks like replacement shoes for these. (My guess) Interesting huh?

As far as the first two pics......in the first BB pic--alot of KC's shorts are showing (looks to be a navy blue or black). Then in the second pic she does have her hands up by her head and it looks like she has a tube top on. In the third pic she now has a sleeveless grey/or LIGHT BLUE? long tank kind of thing that covers alot of her shorts. If you compare pic 1 with say pic 5.....you can tell she has put a shirt on. Great find Imbackon!!!


http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17841181/detail.html

Those shorts and/or long tank could very well be the blue fibers. But if she tossed them---then LE won't find a match, right? I'm sure LE looked at her clothes in this pic as it is on June 16th. MOO

 

[Wudge]

There is no other person between Casey and Tony. She is walking right on his heels with just enough space to either put something IN or to take something OUT of her infamous white backpack in front of her...Then she is lifting it back onto her back where she likes to carry it...

And in response to Wudge? When one is INSIDE of a series of black garbage bags and then INSIDE of a lined laundry tote one is not apt to have trunk fibers on ones body. Even if one were to come into direct contact with the trunk, and having been later bagged, in a flooded area such as was the disposal site, and in consideration of the length of time and the scattered and gnawed upon condition of the skeleton and the victims OWN DNA not being on the tape? Doesn't mean a thing to me. That there are ANY fibers left on that baby is a wonder in itself.

"If" Caylee's body was inside a lined laundry bag that was sealed inside a series of black plastic bags, the odds of finding fibers from that car trunk on the black plastic bags would be extremely low to zero. However, "if" is not evidence. And I know of no clear and unyielding evidence that places Caylee inside the trunk.

FWIW

 

[KenoshaKid]

"If" Caylee's body was inside a lined laundry bag that was sealed inside a series of black plastic bags, the odds of finding fibers from that car trunk on the black plastic bags would be extremely low to zero. However, "if" is not evidence. And I know of no clear and unyielding evidence that places Caylee inside the trunk.

FWIW

A hair from her decomposing scalp?

 

[doogiesgirl]

I just noticed that KC has a blue blanket on her bed (evidence photo #3). If the fibers match that........oh...poor Caylee. MOO

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18740442/detail.html

 

[carrie]

The WTP blanket was brought up a few posts back, and the possibility of Caylee having been bagged (dear God I hate to type that) before being placed in the trunk.

My assumption has been that Caylee was killed in the A house. I'm thinking of the sequence here. Tape, then wrap in blanket, then place in first plastic garbage bag, then place in second garbage bag, then place in laundry bag.

The 'packaging' (containment) would be why there're no matching fibers tape <--> trunk.

However, if the next closest thing to Caylee's body would be the WTP blanket (correct or not?), in which case there could be WTP blanket fibers on the tape and in Caylee's hair. But... I'm not seeing an attempt to match tape fibers to WTP blanket fibers.

Does anyone else see tape fibers <--> blanket fibers match attempts in the notes in the documents?

If they did not check this, I can't think of the reason they would not. Your thoughts on this appreciated.

I'm also finding the fiber aspects fascinating, and sure didn't expect to.

Maybe because if it was the closest thing to her body they would automatically expect it to have transferred fibers to Caylee's remains. So they didn't need to? It wouldn't prove or rule out anything? Just guessing/speculating.

 

[sumbunny]

I just noticed that KC has a blue blanket on her bed (evidence photo #3). If the fibers match that........oh...poor Caylee. MOO

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17841181/detail.html

The link shows blockbuster pictures for me

 

[doogiesgirl]

"If" Caylee's body was inside a lined laundry bag that was sealed inside a series of black plastic bags, the odds of finding fibers from that car trunk on the black plastic bags would be extremely low to zero. However, "if" is not evidence. And I know of no clear and unyielding evidence that places Caylee inside the trunk.

FWIW

What do you tell yourself about "EVERYONE" smelling death in that car? And what about the dog hits? I am not being sarcastic I am truly asking. MOO