FL- 12 Story Condo Partial Building Collapse, many still unaccounted for, Miami, 24 June 2021 #2

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Does anyone think that an emergency moratorium could be imposed on the development and construction of coastal high rise buildings if emergency inspections uncover a high number of buildings having serious structural damage and thus requiring evacuations and closure of those buildings?

I read a rather lengthy piece of writing by a structural engineer last night, in which he says that building codes are very different these days and that the form of slab and column construction they used on the Champlain (and apparently, he says that they didn't properly use rebar to "tie" the columns to the slab - a short cut that was not anticipated by the architects/engineers).

He also pointed to articles by geologists, though. The barrier islands constantly change shape, and are changing more rapidly in the past decade than in the previous 4 decades.

The idea that local authorities (Miami Beach? Is that the right jurisdiction?) should do emergency inspections and then bar occupancy of compromised buildings seems the only solution. This engineer I read says that what with increase in number of storms, and the saltwater incursion being far beyond what was anticipated back in 1979-80, that inspectors need to take engineering reports seriously.

The expense of all this and the dislocation to real people could be mind-boggling. I would find it hard to sleep at night if I lived in a barrier island high rise building built before 2010. Of course, here in California, we have the debacle of the new transit building in San Francisco, where either the architects got it wrong or (as is common), the contractor skimped in the way the concrete was made and poured.

I didn't realize that if saltwater seeps into concrete and then the water evaporates, the increased amount of crystalline salt, over time, expands the concrete and makes it essentially way more porous, decreasing its weight bearing ability.

I think we will see more evacuations over the next few years - I sure do hope the buildings are systematically inspected and occupants may have to be forced to move, for their own safety.
 
I read the entire list of the dead/presumed dead and missing. One thing I noticed, is the lack of "Snowbirds" who winter in Miami, and travel back to Michigan, NY, Canada, in the summer. Not a lot of elderly. Mostly young professionals who live full time in Miami.

I am sure that I have been in that building when I worked in Miami as a therapist. That is why I reviewed the list. If this happened in October or November, I am pretty sure that there would have been more people missing.

Inside the Tumultuous Years Before the Florida Condo Collapse

No paywall. This article is very interesting, notice how many former board members sold their condos, in the article.
 
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I read the entire list of the dead/presumed dead and missing. One thing I noticed, is the lack of "Snowbirds" who winter in Miami, and travel back to Michigan, NY, Canada, in the summer. Not a lot of elderly. Mostly young professionals who live full time in Miami.

I am sure that I have been in that building when I worked in Miami as a therapist. That is why I reviewed the list. If this happened in October or November, I am pretty sure that there would have been more people missing.

Inside the Tumultuous Years Before the Florida Condo Collapse

No paywall. This article is very interesting, notice how many former board members sold their condos, in the article.

We have at least four Canadians (3 seperate family units in the building) unaccounted for in the collapse:

Four Canadians missing in Florida condo collapse are from three families: Global Affairs | CP24.com
 
Florida town responds to issue of delayed building repairs

“It would appear that the Champlain Towers South Condominium Association sought to address a number of issues outside the scope of any proposed 40-year re-certification work," such as new natural gas lines and added parking, Hyatt's statement said. "There was no indication during any communications between the Town and the association by telephone or electronic mail that this submission required emergency action by the Town of Surfside."

Emails first obtained by the Herald show the condo building manager growing impatient at the lack of response from the town to plans for a temporary parking plan needed to move forward on repair of a concrete slab under building's pool and on damaged columns in its garage.

Florida town responds to issue of delayed building repairs
 
Fourth of July Implosion Set for 12-Story Remains of Champlain Towers
Fourth of July Implosion Set for 12-Story Remains of Champlain Towers
July 3, 2021
Sources indicate that during the evening of the Fourth of July, Controlled Demolition Inc. will implode the damaged 12-story remaining wing of the reinforced concrete Champlain Towers South condominium in Surfside, Fla. CDI has been working with demolition contractor BG Group to prepare the wing for implosion since July 3, when search and rescue operations ceased.
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The implosion is designed so that the building will not land on the debris pile. Rather, it will go toward Collins Avenue, to the west. Explosives will be loaded before noon July 3. Preparations are in the lobby and basement only. No one is allowed above the lobby level.
 

The petition is now at 14,900+

I totally understand if the building has to come down, and I do think that human safety is most important.
However, I think that the officials have been completely dismissive about the pets who may still be in the building.

It would be one thing if they had listened to concerns from families and animal advocates, and taken their views onboard. If multiple serious efforts had been made (surveillance, trapping etc.), and no animals could be found, but from my reading of the facts, that has NOT been done.

In many ways, I have been impressed with the rescue effort, yet I have found both Mayor Cava, and Chief Cominsky, to be defensive, vague, and evasive, on the issue of pets, and regarding the Topos team from Mexico.
When someone cannot give specific facts, or be honest enough to say, "I don't know," it causes me to question why they would obfuscate an issue.
All JMO.
 
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Fourth of July Implosion Set for 12-Story Remains of Champlain Towers
Fourth of July Implosion Set for 12-Story Remains of Champlain Towers
July 3, 2021
Sources indicate that during the evening of the Fourth of July, Controlled Demolition Inc. will implode the damaged 12-story remaining wing of the reinforced concrete Champlain Towers South condominium in Surfside, Fla. CDI has been working with demolition contractor BG Group to prepare the wing for implosion since July 3, when search and rescue operations ceased.
[...]
The implosion is designed so that the building will not land on the debris pile. Rather, it will go toward Collins Avenue, to the west. Explosives will be loaded before noon July 3. Preparations are in the lobby and basement only. No one is allowed above the lobby level.
I think many of us at WS would like to see this. Wonder if implosion time will be announced.
 
Just found this:
The drilling work was completed Sunday, and the remaining structure was scheduled to come down between 10 p.m. Sunday and 3 a.m. Monday, barring any last-minute glitch such as someone entering the restricted zone around the building, Miami-Dade Assistant Fire Chief Raide Jadallah told relatives of those missing in the collapse.
Official: Drilling done, demolition of collapsed condo set
 
the petition has almost 15,000 signature now.

I’ve been worried sick about Daisy, the crated dog. I hope this isn’t against TOS but The Miami Coalition of Breed Specific Legislation stated they talked to the owner and she isn’t stuck in a crate. They believe she was in a kitchen that collapsed, but none of the animals in that home were indeed crated. Her sweet face has haunted me for a few days, but somehow this gave me a little peace knowing she likely isn’t suffering. At least I’m hoping not.

The vicarious trauma is strong with this one. My biggest fear in life is my pets being stuck in a disaster and not being able to save them.
 
Speaking of paywalls... If I subscribe to a Paywall MSM, ie. NYTimes, thus removing Paywall for me... then paste the link on WS, will posters here be able to open link without hitting paywall themselves? Hope I made question clear.

no
there are ways for people to get around the paywall tho
I'm not sure how
 
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they can drill holes, which is certainly more destabilizing than doing a low-impact search for pets.

maybe they can at least drill them big enough for pets to escape.


Florida Preps for Elsa: States of Emergency Issued; Crews Could Demolish Remains of Collapsed Condo Sunday Night | The Weather Channel - Articles from The Weather Channel | weather.com

Experts at the site of the collapsed Champlain Towers South condominium in Surfside, Florida, were drilling holes in the building's remains Sunday where charges will be placed and set off to bring the rest of the tower down ahead of any potential impacts from Tropical Storm Elsa.

“As soon as the preparation is ready, the site is secure and the team is ready to go, we will begin the demolition," Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine Cava said in a news briefing Sunday morning.

She didn't give an exact timeline. Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Assistant Chief Ray Jadallah told families in a separate briefing that the demolition would likely happen Sunday night, the Miami Herald reported...
 
Is there ever any mention of that variant in the main FL news media?
Yes, in a general sense that it is out there and yes it is active in the state. But no more alarm than the original pandemic.

Here in FL there was generally no mass paranoia over Covid for the most part. It was very well managed in this state. We didn't have lockdowns or issues like elsewhere.
 
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