FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #3 *Arrest*

[HMSHood]

Looking at Nikolas Cruz, he is a dangerous injustice collector and serial bully.

On Wound Collectors
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201509/wound-collectors

Murderous Envy
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/keeping-kids-safe/200905/murderous-envy

Nikolas Cruz is pathologically envious as he is very obsessed about his girlfriend. He got expelled because of it as he attacked the ex-girlfriend's boyfriend. Envy is a common characteristic of injustice collectors.

Alleged school shooter was abusive to ex-girlfriend: classmate
https://nypost.com/2018/02/15/alleged-school-shooter-was-abusive-to-ex-girlfriend-classmate/

Alleged school shooter Nikolas Cruz threatened to kill his ex girlfriend — and was expelled after fighting with her new boyfriend, classmates revealed Thursday.

“The reason he got expelled was because he was fighting with his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend,” Connor Dietrich, 17, a junior at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, told The Post.

“He stalked her and threatened her. He was like, ‘I’m going to kill you,’ and he would say awful things to her and harass her to the point I would walk her to the bus just to make sure she was OK. We all made sure she was never alone.”

The Dangerous Injustice Collector: Behaviors of Someone Who Never Forgets, Never Forgives, Never Lets Go, and Strikes Back!
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/vio.2014.1509

Identifying The Next Mass Murderer—Before It’s Too Late
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ntifying-the-next-mass-murderer-it-s-too-late

Psychology of Terrorism - National Criminal Justice Reference Service
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/208552.PDF

Terrorists are injustice collectors. It is not the sole reason, but a major factor.

Revisiting Adam Lanza: The Official Sandy Hook Report
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ing-adam-lanza-the-official-sandy-hook-report

Lanza is consumed by pathological envy.

Elliot Rodger-My Twisted World
http://abclocal.go.com/three/kabc/kabc/My-Twisted-World.pdf

Envy is a major theme in Rodger's manifesto.

Seung Hui Cho’s Manifesto
https://schoolshooters.info/sites/default/files/cho_manifesto_1.1.pdf

Like Rodger and Lanza, envy consumes Cho.

Websleuth Radio Interview Tina Meier
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/09/30/tricias-true-crime-radio-adult-cyber-bullying

There are not of profiles or background information on Lori Drew. Tina Meier's description of Lori Drew starts at the 20:40 mark, which is constant complainer and unhappy. If one was not paying attention, one could be thinking that is Nikolas Cruz being described. Both Cruz and Drew are bullies.

In both cases, they are consumed by envy as they are very resentful and unhappy people. They are perpetual victims and live a life of resentment and grudges. They are avoided by people for their extremely negative personality. Lori Drew is similar to Jodi Arias, Betty Broderick, Yoselyn Ortega, Elliot Rodger, Stephen Paddock, Devin Kelley, Omar Mateen, Seung-Hui Cho, Adam Lanza, Eric Harris, 9/11 Terrorists and Osama bin Laden.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Don't know if it's in the article but his friends started a account to help pay for numerous sugeries he needs.

This Brit is gobsmacked that this young man would be expected to pay for any treatment considering what he did.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I cannot begin to imagine the emotional trauma for any of these students and teachers returning to the building where they saw friends murdered, nor the ones who heard but did not see.

Yet nobody has suggested demolishing the Manchester Arena after the suicide bomb attack last year that killed many young people. Indeed, many of the survivors returned to the venue to attend the tribute event afterwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing

The stadium stands at Heysel in Belgium and Hillsborough in Sheffield were not demolished following the disasters there in which dozens died, though the Heysel stadium was completely redeveloped a decade later and changes were made to English football stadia to remove the features which were implicated in the deaths there. The stand destroyed in the Bradford City fire disaster was demolished because it had been completely gutted and the entire stadium was later redeveloped to meet modern safety standards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_City_stadium_fire

The thing about these events is that they were being broadcast live or almost live on TV at the time the disaster unfolded so thousands witnessed these events.

10 Rillington Place was not demolished because of the Christie murders but was demolished 20 years later as part of a slum clearance programme. People lived in those flats in the meantime.

25 Cromwell Street was demolished in the late 1990s because of the growing fascination with serial killers and concerns that it would become a place of pilgrimage to those fascinated.

While many people do develop PTSD as a result of being caught up in or witnessing traumatic events, it's not as many as you might imagine. More recent thinking is not to rush to provide counselling to survivors and witnesses because some two-thirds of them will process and resolve the experience themselves in the 6 to 8 weeks following because the human mind is surprisingly resilient and has ways of dealing with trauma.

It's the ones who don't manage to do so within a couple of months who should be given help and counselling.

 

[enelram]

Mental health is in reality about behavior or behaving, thinking and feeling.

I have often been surprised on threads like these the amount of skepticism regarding these folks.

At some level IMO it reflects , as a society how poorly we have done (hence here we are?)in believing mental illness is illness.

As if it is a choice.

We accept that we have no control over
one getting cancer or not. Why are neurotransmitters so different?

The brain is an amazing entity -- to believe that it cant go awry is very befuddling to me.

Identical to physical illness there are
solid clusters of symptoms (behavior) here.

Medical is science. I grew to realize that good therapy is more like an art. Never the same. Every 45 minutes is a completely new 45 minutes.

There are no liver transplant routines if you will.

I truly do not believe this guy, Holmes,Lanza are not up to any fame desires.

I am not really all that sure about the injustice collectors wide spread. He is too underdeveloped to be that profound. I think a lot of these are far more fundamentally organic. Things are not firing properly. It takes cunning to be anti social or narcissistic.

This is like basic inability to manage.

Watching the video of him in court today resulted in feelings of sadness for him.

So lost. So gone. So empty.

It is not a choice -- defective .

I suppose being angry at him or others might help some.

It has never been there for me.

Does not change anything.

I really believe if someone killed a family member I would have no need or want for a DP case.

I have always felt that way. Would not help me at -- at least I don't think so.

As a society we try endlessly to get ourselves to this place of safety. Which at some level is really an impossibility.

Sadly we should have learned by now we are powerless in some domains. This is one.

Put up barricades they find ways around.

The endless amount of money we spend trying to pretend we are safe - really? Look where we are now.

Day after day after day waking up or eating a Lunesta after another machine gun rage.

Then they went for cars and trucks . Nice totally wigged me out . Totally. Cause it almost seems like you would not be able to NOT turn away from people in front of you

Like a reflex.

Weapons have never been a part of my life our anyone I have EVER met. Ever.

There gross. But it seems to me money ought to be spent in mental health arena more than any other- cause that seems to be the only way to possibly slow these down.

Once the person gets to the point where they want . need to kill its already past a certain point.

And this one really hits home cause it is
the same stuff I battled professionally for ages. DCF LE zero options and money.

I think that was why I was so hung up on affluence as it was breaking. But as we learned more her age has much to do with this I think. That is not blame.

She if from the generation that is even worse than now regarding mental health.

She parented old school it seems. I get that from the altercation regarding the license or whatever it was.

Sounds like it escalated everything. A lot.

But I think that stems from believing that the tantrums and inability to manage feelings or frustration and anger "correctly" is a choice.

Folks here who have a loved one suffering with illness in this domain know and
learn that there are different things that have to be done when addressing these individuals.

I don't think he will remain alive .

The whole scene is sad imo

Thank you, thank you CARIIS. Until someone has studied the life of a brain injured young person, one cannot imagine
the torture he and his family lived with. Every single day that car was not firing all the pistons. It was chugging
down the road coughing and spittin. Til it finally exploded and crept to the side of the road. Done.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Mental health is in reality about behavior or behaving, thinking and feeling.

I have often been surprised on threads like these the amount of skepticism regarding these folks.

At some level IMO it reflects , as a society how poorly we have done (hence here we are?)in believing mental illness is illness.

As if it is a choice.

We accept that we have no control over
one getting cancer or not. Why are neurotransmitters so different?

The brain is an amazing entity -- to believe that it cant go awry is very befuddling to me.

Identical to physical illness there are
solid clusters of symptoms (behavior) here.

Medical is science. I grew to realize that good therapy is more like an art. Never the same. Every 45 minutes is a completely new 45 minutes.

There are no liver transplant routines if you will.

I truly do not believe this guy, Holmes,Lanza are not up to any fame desires.

I am not really all that sure about the injustice collectors wide spread. He is too underdeveloped to be that profound. I think a lot of these are far more fundamentally organic. Things are not firing properly. It takes cunning to be anti social or narcissistic.

This is like basic inability to manage.

Watching the video of him in court today resulted in feelings of sadness for him.

So lost. So gone. So empty.

It is not a choice -- defective .

I suppose being angry at him or others might help some.

It has never been there for me.

Does not change anything.

I really believe if someone killed a family member I would have no need or want for a DP case.

I have always felt that way. Would not help me at -- at least I don't think so.

As a society we try endlessly to get ourselves to this place of safety. Which at some level is really an impossibility.

Sadly we should have learned by now we are powerless in some domains. This is one.

Put up barricades they find ways around.

The endless amount of money we spend trying to pretend we are safe - really? Look where we are now.

Day after day after day waking up or eating a Lunesta after another machine gun rage.

Then they went for cars and trucks . Nice totally wigged me out . Totally. Cause it almost seems like you would not be able to NOT turn away from people in front of you

Like a reflex.

Weapons have never been a part of my life our anyone I have EVER met. Ever.

There gross. But it seems to me money ought to be spent in mental health arena more than any other- cause that seems to be the only way to possibly slow these down.

Once the person gets to the point where they want . need to kill its already past a certain point.

And this one really hits home cause it is
the same stuff I battled professionally for ages. DCF LE zero options and money.

I think that was why I was so hung up on affluence as it was breaking. But as we learned more her age has much to do with this I think. That is not blame.

She if from the generation that is even worse than now regarding mental health.

She parented old school it seems. I get that from the altercation regarding the license or whatever it was.

Sounds like it escalated everything. A lot.

But I think that stems from believing that the tantrums and inability to manage feelings or frustration and anger "correctly" is a choice.

Folks here who have a loved one suffering with illness in this domain know and
learn that there are different things that have to be done when addressing these individuals.

I don't think he will remain alive .

The whole scene is sad imo

Great post, CARIIS.
I agree with everything except when it comes to what your feelings are about the adoptive mother, LC.
I think she pursued every angle for N.C.....I think from the stories I’ve read that she at times was in denial (even when confronted with NC’s truths); I think she tried to set boundaries only to have N.C. become hostile, I think she was devoted as evident in the psychological counseling and diagnosis we know he was given & the amount of school changes.

I think she tried very hard and it really took a toll on her and her husband (while they were alive). Her daily life must have been like living in a cyclone every day.

NC is a tossed salad of diagnosis that we can all speculate on. And the latest is he was hearing voices. So imho, he had sociopathy or psychopathy, possibly newfound schizophrenia or schizophreniform plus a lot of learning disorders, ADHD, possibly OCD, etc, etc,

NC is a smorgasbord of mental illness and I feel the adoptive mother tried every avenue and with the best of intentions to get him help. He is what he is.....

 

[Ibiz]

Yet nobody has suggested demolishing the Manchester Arena after the suicide bomb attack last year that killed many young people. Indeed, many of the survivors returned to the venue to attend the tribute event afterwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing

The stadium stands at Heysel in Belgium and Hillsborough in Sheffield were not demolished following the disasters there in which dozens died, though the Heysel stadium was completely redeveloped a decade later and changes were made to English football stadia to remove the features which were implicated in the deaths there. The stand destroyed in the Bradford City fire disaster was demolished because it had been completely gutted and the entire stadium was later redeveloped to meet modern safety standards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_City_stadium_fire

The thing about these events is that they were being broadcast live or almost live on TV at the time the disaster unfolded so thousands witnessed these events.

10 Rillington Place was not demolished because of the Christie murders but was demolished 20 years later as part of a slum clearance programme. People lived in those flats in the meantime.

25 Cromwell Street was demolished in the late 1990s because of the growing fascination with serial killers and concerns that it would become a place of pilgrimage to those fascinated.

While many people do develop PTSD as a result of being caught up in or witnessing traumatic events, it's not as many as you might imagine. More recent thinking is not to rush to provide counselling to survivors and witnesses because some two-thirds of them will process and resolve the experience themselves in the 6 to 8 weeks following because the human mind is surprisingly resilient and has ways of dealing with trauma.

It's the ones who don't manage to do so within a couple of months who should be given help and counselling.

Well, in this case it will only cost about 30-million-bucks, and that's CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP! Exspecially when it's tax payer money. It must be fun to spend other peoples money.

Early estimates indicate the cost of a replacement building is between $25 million and $30 million, he said.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200564969.html#storylink=cpy

 

[enelram]

Great information about alcohol and drug use during pregnancy and the lifelong effects on fetal development.
Notice how many times the term "brain damage" is used here. Brain damage, how would any adoptive parents
know what they were getting? Lifelong brain damage.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4262892/

 

[CARIIS]

OT

don't ask just dont


I have no answer = regarding the question where do these these questions come
from




What idiot thought the ideal color of remote controls ought to be jet black?

White sounds right




to me~

ha

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Well, in this case it will only cost about 30-million-bucks, and that's CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP! Exspecially when it's tax payer money. It must be fun to spend other peoples money.

Early estimates indicate the cost of a replacement building is between $25 million and $30 million, he said.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200564969.html#storylink=cpy

Perhaps $30m would be better spent on mental health services?

 

[Ibiz]

Perhaps $30m would be better spent on mental health services?

Perhaps the folks that wont a new building could just pay for it from their own pockets, and not place a heavy burden on unsuspecting tax payers.

This building looks to be pretty knew. If not, looks like it just had an exspensive roof job. Compliance of tax payers.

 

[CARIIS]

Great post, CARIIS.
I agree with everything except when it comes to what your feelings are about the adoptive mother, LC.
I think she pursued every angle for N.C.....I think from the stories I’ve read that she at times was in denial (even when confronted with NC’s truths); I think she tried to set boundaries only to have N.C. become hostile, I think she was devoted as evident in the psychological counseling and diagnosis we know he was given & the amount of school changes.

I think she tried very hard and it really took a toll on her and her husband (while they were alive). Her daily life must have been like living in a cyclone every day.

NC is a tossed salad of diagnosis that we can all speculate on. And the latest is he was hearing voices. So imho, he had sociopathy or psychopathy, possibly newfound schizophrenia or schizophreniform plus a lot of learning disorders, ADHD, possibly OCD, etc, etc,

NC is a smorgasbord of mental illness and I feel the adoptive mother tried every avenue and with the best of intentions to get him help. He is what he is.....

hi taste \\

i did not mean to implllly blame or judge

i think she tried just did not understand what was happening

its tough stuff especially as a single parent



awful stuff

the kids are great what would end up awesome if they keep going or reinvigorate around sept getting a whole new group of young people midterm would be awesome ~~



i

 

[Karinna]

Perhaps $30m would be better spent on mental health services?

Definitely, and the poor and downtrodden and the homeless.

 

[Ibiz]

Huh, I guess I'm bringing fourth my post about my idea of stun gun cameras.



I came up with this idea when I saw the Columbine videos. Microprocessor controlled cameras with built in stun guns. These cams would be able to be accesed and used by 911 dispatch thru wifi or police/swatt on a tablet or phone.

Perhaps spending some money on the brilliant idea above. Thought up by Ibiz. We will call it the Ibiz Camera Protection System. ICPS, I suggested this before, and everyone said it was just too exspensive to bare.

 

[CARIIS]

He clearly was very aggressive towards his adopted mother and half brother.

He was very hostile towards teachers and staffs. He also harassed people. Nikolas Cruz is a serial bully.

Serial Bully
https://bullyonline.org/index.php/bullies/5-serial-bully

Recognisable Characteristics
Perhaps the most easily recognisable character traits of a Serial Bully are:
-Jekyll and Hyde nature - Dr Jekyll is "charming" and "charismatic"; "Hyde" is "evil";
-Convincing liar - Makes up anything to fit his needs at that moment, and gets believed;
-Treats some people in a way that causes them unprecedented levels of stress, frustration and fear;
-Damages the health and reputations of organisations and individuals;
-Reacts to criticism with denial, retaliation and by feigning victimhood and blaming victims;
-Apparently immune from disciplinary action;
-Moves to a new target when the present one burns out or leaves.

Nikolas Cruz shows all signs of a serial bully based on the characteristics. Same goes with Omar Mateen, Devin Kelley, and Eric Harris.

The focus of this section is serial bullying in workplaces, but the character profile fits most types of abusers, including:

abusive and violent partners and family members
abusers of people in care
bullying neighbours, landlords, authorities, etc
confidence tricksters and swindlers
(religious) cult leaders
child bullies who are impervious to corrective action
racial and sexual harassers
sexual abusers and paedophiles, especially operating from a position of trust or untouchability;
rapists
stalkers
arsonists
violent offenders including serial killers

It should be no surprise that the likes Nikolas Cruz, Eric Harris, Devin Kelley, Stephen Paddock, Lori Drew, Larry Nassar, Jerry Sandusky, and Osama bin Laden are serial bullies.

No one is calling for what it is. Nikolas Cruz is a textbook example of a bully, a serial bully.

i have noone desribe him at any time or place

as charming or bright

IMO he was just not capable of that

if anything he was far more primal

nothing cunning

raw almost primitive if you know what i mean

 

[CARIIS]

rssb

Speaking from experience, and to clarify, yes, they do. Some diagnoses REQUIRE a person to be of a specific level of age/brain development (schizophrenia, for example).

But defined diagnoses happen quite frequently. Clinical depression is clinical depression, for example. Suicidal ideation is suicidal ideation. ADHD. Eating disorder. PTSD. Stuff like that.

In my day we diagnosed light not wanting to have the child have a label

it was just the notion back then

ODD --was the catch all Oppositional Defiant Disorder

Adhd came along later

there was little known about the ones we are seeing as relevant here

I would even guess that 19 years ago noone would think of fetal alcohol as it relates to an adaptation process

ot

I am noticing a subtle interesting dynamic in news (broadcast) across differing outlets

cant comment on fox but......

understandably the anchors are getting burned out with all the stuff going on

i am noticing a lot of cut offs as politicinas just come on to babble their nonsense

also off camera while a politician is babbling hot air you hear them do the kind of ug huh that is like shut up answer My question

they all have to be just fried from the last year take note and see if you think so to

their over it all

bla bla bal

congressional term limits is the sanity returner!

 

[enelram]

i have noone desribe him at any time or place

as charming or bright

IMO he was just not capable of that

if anything he was far more primal

nothing cunning

raw almost primitive if you know what i mean

You call his behavior primal, primitive. So many times, especially while reading the research studies, I have equated
his behavior to feral where the public 'expects' him to know how to behave but the feral animal doesn't get it.
this young guy was physically damaged in the brain. It gets clearer and clearer. People put him in a 'normal' school
and expected him to act 'normal'. Impossible.

If you doubt the above, read up on Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Disorder. IF he was affected, you'll understand the
broken wires in his brain. the connectors were rotted, just not there.

 

[CARIIS]

Thanks for sharing that - it really was interesting.

And it does seem like most of these mass shootings at school, take place at public schools.

As a lifetime supporter of gender-segregated education, I have to wonder if that might be the best solution. Boys - and girls - receive proper discipline including self-discipline, concentrate on academics instead of fluff like school dances, proms, etc, build character, integrity, conscientiousness....

Hmm...

Respectfully

i think that is a horrid idea!

ugh talk about toxic masculinity growing like a virus

they need to learn as do woman interacting
cues when dealing with the opposite sex

its social life

we get a lot of DV related activity from clusters like that-- hyper controlling males who reinforce the hideous notions of the past ( woman in the kitchen seen not heard etc etc)

thankfully it has gotten better but put a bunch of a men in a club of some sort and it is a rich fertile petri dish of much that is not goo imo

going through puberty surrounded only by men sounds treacherous!!

yuk!

 

[CARIIS]

You call his behavior primal, primitive. So many times, especially while reading the research studies, I have equated
his behavior to feral where the public 'expects' him to know how to behave but the feral animal doesn't get it.
this young guy was physically damaged in the brain. It gets clearer and clearer. People put him in a 'normal' school
and expected him to act 'normal'. Impossible.

If you doubt the above, read up on Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Disorder. IF he was affected, you'll understand the
broken wires in his brain. the connectors were rotted, just not there.

that is exactly what i was saying there is no manipulation capability - he was referred to as cunning earlier -- imo impossible - his brain had trouble with basic impulse control stuff

i agree with you i think you misread my
post !

 

[grammieto5]

I think technology, surveillance, drones, and robotics will one day be the answer....and laws will have to change as well. It could take decades......

I agree with you. I just turned 69, I believe I will never see the changes, and if I am still alive I won't even be aware of the changes. Maybe my GG-children will see the changes but by then it will be normal for them. They are so young now they won't remember what it was like now, they'll just hear stories like we hear horrible stories of how it "used" to be.

 

[enelram]

that is exactly what i was saying there is no manipulation capability - he was referred to as cunning earlier -- imo impossible - his brain had trouble with basic impulse control stuff

i agree with you i think you misread my
post !

Sorry Cariis, I should have been more clear. I was agreeing with all you said. Regarding FASD comments I was speaking to our generic audience of 'you'. You have convinced me, he is a very sad, lonely, broken soul. always has been.
The rest of us should be grateful we were born with a fully functioning brain. this poor guy had no choice in the matter.