FL 17 y/o Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #12

[raeann]

Then who watches what when, we here have shifts of watch people.

The point of NW is that all are to keep open eyes and ears at all times.....the rule is to observe and report.....that's it.

NO following, NO patrol, NO intercepting, NO restraining, NO initiating altercations....WATCH and REPORT.....its kind of simple....its in the name of the program.

jmo

 

[songline]

What crime did the parent commit that they need a criminal lawyer? Not because they commited a crim, but because thy wantd answers about TM.

If it were me I'd have a personal injury attorney (as in wrongful death) on the case myself. That attorney would have had an accident reconstruction expert investigating already. Yep...that is exactly what I'd be doing if that were my son because I'd want the truth. jmo

I do not see that you would go after a civil right attorney. that is what they did. when they should have gotten a Criminal attorney, if they think something criminal happened.

 

[tehcloser]

Hmmmm that makes him a crazy dud, itchng to shoot someone...:what::waitasec:

:what: That might be...the dude might be a dud. :floorlaugh: JK....ya know I love you typo's and all!

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Ranch, I don't. Owl had it I believe.

not me - sorry

 

[LambChop]

Then who watches what when, we here have shifts of watch people.

Read the manual. It's pretty much what you would do in any normal situation. You see someone breaking a window in your neighbor's home you call it in. You wait until LE comes out, they may ask you some questions and you are done. NWP is more of a deterrent than anything else. It just warns would be criminals, hey, people in this community are going to call in any suspicious behavior and hopefully that person will decide not to try to break into anyone's home because someone might be watching them. jmo

 

[m00c0w]

Yes, you also wrote that people are "mocking victims" here on this thread, which isn't true, in my opinion.

If someone was actually in any of those situations you listed, of course they have a right to defend themselves.

The problem is, none of that applies to George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin, no matter which was a victim. Not one situation you listed has anything to do with the facts of this case.

I've never said it had anything to do with Zimmerman. My comment was directed towards the poster I replied to. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[i.b.nora]

There are schedules of who is on patrol. GZ was not scheduled to patrol that night.
If he selected to do so we do not know.
But it will come out if he had selected to patrol on his own when not scheduled

Do you have a link to the schedule of who was on patrol during that time period of the murder? Say for the week prior to the murder? Or, maybe even for the month before the murder?

 

[songline]

The point of NW is that all are to keep open eyes and ears at all times.....the rule is to observe and report.....that's it.

NO following, NO patrol, NO intercepting, NO restraining, NO initiating altercations....WATCH and REPORT.....its kind of simple....its in the name of the program.

jmo

Then he was doing his job. "IF YOU SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING" yes he was, and he reported it.

IF something happens like an altercation you may have to restrain.

WE have no proof that he started anything other than "If you see something say something"

All else should b investigated not assumed.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Till I see verified proof the facts show GZ was acting within the law.

 

[mfcmom]

Florida Statute concerning concealed weapon states:

The law permits you to carry a concealed weapon or firearm for self-defense. Carrying a concealed weapon or firearm does not make you a freelance policeman or a “good samaritan.”

also

A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm or trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary, or kidnapping. Using or displaying a handgun in any other circumstances could result in your conviction for crimes such as improper exhibition of a firearm, assault, manslaughter, or worse.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I'm sure GZ had other life interests besides being a watchman.
:fence:
people are acting like that's what he did 24/7 365 a year.

One of the girls he went over to help after a robbery was on TV defending him the other night. She said he told her ways to secure her house, gave her literature and told her to call him anytime she had trouble.

 

[m00c0w]

Florida Statute concerning concealed weapon states:

The law permits you to carry a concealed weapon or firearm for self-defense. Carrying a concealed weapon or firearm does not make you a freelance policeman or a “good samaritan.”
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Please cite the section of statutory law this came from. Thanks.

 

[songline]

Do you have a link to the schedule of who was on patrol during that time period of the murder? Say for the week prior to the murder? Or, maybe even for the month before the murder?

I was just told there were no schedules at all. They all had the duty to watch and call.

 

[CathyinTexas]

In this video they mention a witness I hadn't heard speak before. His testimony is that seconds after the shooting Zimmerman quickly got up, and that indicated to the witness that he probably was on top because of the ease and speed that he got up. Also, he mentioned that he wasn't hurt. I think it is very interesting.

http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10907833-joe-oliver-my-role-doesnt-make-sense

 

[csziggy]

My mistake, they said that he was looking for a house number for 911. It is still not accurate even if it was supposed to be a house number or a street sign.

Zimmerman is on the call with the dispatcher, the dispatcher hears a noise that makes him ask Zimmerman POINT BLANK if he is following the teen male, Zimmerman POINT BLANK affirms that he is following the teen male. At no point during that part of the exchange on the tape does it have that Zimmerman answered in response to that POINT BLANK question that he is looking for a house number.

I don't have links but my memory is that there were two different allegations, neither made by George Zimmerman. One, I believe was made by Police Chief Bill Lee to the effect that GZ had gotten out of his car to check street signs and was attacked by TM when GZ turned to get back into his car.

Later, someone else, and I don't know who made this claim to the media, was that GZ was looking for street numbers. Again the claim was made that GZ was attacked by TM when GZ was returning to his car.

I looked for links, but those two differing stories are lost in the thousands of stories and blog postings online. So this is strictly from memory and therefore my opinion only.

 

[TonyGatto]

This is going to become a very integral issue in any wrongful death lawsuits that come about. The fact that this complex never had a REGISTERED NW program could be on their side....

However, the recent meeting held before this incident to complain about the aggressive tactics that GZ had been using around the neighborhood could be their downfall. They had the chance to stop him with an official cease and desist letter, but apparently they did not do that.......not that has been released to the public as yet anyway.

With all the back and forth on Target and whether he was on patrol....just read this and tell me you don't get a good picture of what GZ is all about. The people who were at this meeting are not in the public view right now, but they will be. So far we have heard from one neighbor, FT, who has heralded GZ. Wait till all the people who thought GZ was out of control come forward.

George Zimmerman neighbors complained about aggressive tactics before Trayvon Martin killing

At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...trayvon-martin_n_1340358.html?ref=mostpopular

 

[RANCH]

Florida Statute concerning concealed weapon states:

The law permits you to carry a concealed weapon or firearm for self-defense. Carrying a concealed weapon or firearm does not make you a freelance policeman or a “good samaritan.”
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Do you have a link for that statue? I'd like to read more.

 

[mikeysmommom]

With all the back and forth on Target and whether he was on patrol....just read this and tell me you don't get a good picture of what GZ is all about. The people who were at this meeting are not in the public view right now, but they will be. So far we have heard from one neighbor, FT, who has heralded GZ. Wait till all the people who thought GZ was out of control come forward.

George Zimmerman neighbors complained about aggressive tactics before Trayvon Martin killing

At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...trayvon-martin_n_1340358.html?ref=mostpopular

IF true then Sanford police were aware of GZ and felt his actions were justified.

 

[LolaMoon08]

TM embraced the culture (as evidenced by his twitter accounts), was on a suspension for drugs at school, suspected past theft, vandalism, had a twitter account with a lot of hate. What exactly does NO LIMITS N##### mean to you? Instead of being respectful guest in a gated neighborhood in which he did not reside, he IMO showed attitude and got into a fight with a resident, beat this resident and the resident had every right to shoot him. No, GZ didnt just shoot him, TM swung the first punch and started making GZ fear for his life. Like the law or hate the law, GZ had every right to shoot him.

I am so behind, so sorry if this has been mentioned already...

BBM You want to know what "NO LIMIT N******" means to me? They were a group of rappers from the 1990's. They also went by "NO LIMIT SOLDIERS."

I don't even want to know what you'd think of me if you knew the rap music I listerned to growing up?

 

[m00c0w]

In this video they mention a witness I hadn't heard speak before. His testimony is that seconds after the shooting Zimmerman quickly got up, and that indicated to the witness that he probably was on top because of the ease and speed that he got up. Also, he mentioned that he wasn't hurt. I think it is very interesting.

http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/28/10907833-joe-oliver-my-role-doesnt-make-sense

COOPER: But it's not clear to you whether he was on top and got up after shooting Trayvon Martin, or if he was on the bottom of the struggle and shot and Trayvon Martin fell or slid off him or he slid out from Trayvon Martin? You're not clear?

UNIDENTIFIED EYEWITNESS: I did not see any of that, like, who slid. Just kind of from watching as they're both down there and hearing, watching the shot, and then, you know, reminded me of the darkness (INAUDIBLE), because there were roof lights on. I would just say a little bit of that time from the time he got up which isn't very much time, probably a couple of seconds.

You know, then I saw him walking, saw it was a Hispanic man. I mean, I'm just saying, you only think, OK, the boy, in my mind, I think that the boy's laying down, dead on the ground, face down. And the other person got up. You know, I'm kind of thinking that it would be, you know, (INAUDIBLE), but I can't say for sure, because I didn't actually watch him get up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/29/acd.01.html

Bolded by me.