FL 17 y/o Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #12

[Concerned Papa]

He called him a guy. I would assume 18-23 if I saw someone that tall.

BBM

We know from all the 911 calls that Captain George had experience in calling about kids playing in the street and such. 18-23? The Captain was able to narrow it down a little better than that for THIS 911 operator:

911 dispatcher:

How old would you say he is?

Zimmerman:

He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.

911 dispatcher:

Late teens?

Zimmerman:

Uh, huh.

 

[rbrnmw2]

The 15 yr old is a total innocent in this case period MOO (now I'll go back to sitting on my hands so I can be a good girl) :banghead:

 

[LambChop]

If Zimmerman wanted to make it all up then wouldn't he want to lie and say Martin was looking in windows? Wouldn't he want to make himself look way more beat up to convince people? Or atleast dirty himself up more then he was?

He didn't do any of these things so why is it people believe he was out for blood?

I think he would if he planned to shoot TM but it does not appear he did. It just appears to me things did not go the way GZ had anticipated and either got out of his control (like the woman he picked up and threw at the bar) and he reacted, or he thought his life was in danger as he states.

I think a few people here think he was out for blood. But I think he lost control of a situation he started with the call to LE. I do not think he ever intended to shoot TM otherwise he would have never thrown his hands onto his head (witness reported) as if "Oh, *****". Heat of the moment kind of thing is what I think happened, words exchanged and they were off. Does not mean TM was the aggressor. Because of the information about what happened when GZ was fired from his bouncer job (because he threw a woman in a fit of rage thing), I could believe GZ may have initiated the fight by grabbing TM. It is just as possible for that to have happened as it would have been for TM to have grabbed GZ. GZ knows the truth but we should not be hearing versions as more and more information is released that do not support his original statement as we know it to be. jmo

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

That's rough. I can hear it either way. If I listen expecting a hard C, that's what I hear. If I listen expecting to hear "punks," I hear that.

There is no way I hear unks...I hear the "C" and then ooooons...very clear in that tape I heard from ACooper..

and that will be the defining call if the FEDS hear that too...they have better equipment and I have faith they will find this act was hate/racially motivated..

You hear it in his calls..his mentality was for another a^^hole to not get away and poor Trayvon was in his sights..

I don't see how one lone person could be a threat to someone with a loaded weapon..the odds were stacked against TM from the onset...

How is it fair that one person had a weapon..

I also believe since GZ was a criminal justice major, he knew the ins and outs of technicalities of the statutes...which is why he's bolstering his defense that Trayvon approched him in his vehicle but his dead body lay about 200 feet from that vehicle..another piece that just doesn't fit, IMO...

 

[pinkflamingo]

Here's a question. GZ had not brought his gun into this altercation, who do you think would be in jail (if anyone?)

 

[SuziQ]

And the 13 year old brother, the father, the fathers girlfriend and TM's father did not report him missing either that night. Really? No one cared where this kid was IMO.

Trayvon's dad thought Trayvon had gone to a movie and that's why he didn't answer his phone. He did call the PD that night asking if Trayvon had been arrested. I'm going to guess that the younger kid mentioned something about hearing lights and sirens while the parents were away. There would be no way for Tracy to think his son was shot dead. Arrested maybe, but not dead.

At least two people that we know of was calling Trayvon's phone that night and LE still treats Trayvon like a John Doe?

 

[LambChop]

GZ claimed that he was acting suspiciously like he was on drugs or something. I believe that is verbatim from the 911 call. As a bouncer, I am sure he knew what and how drugs affect people. GZ had a legal right to hold the loaded gun, and walk around the neighborhood too. And I think he thought TM was armed. jmoo

Now if I saw a man walking around my neighborhood holding a hand gun I'd be calling 911 and locking my doors. Anyone could be armed with a weapon and that is why LE asked him to wait by the mailboxes in his car because TM was walking away from him. TM presented no danger to Mr. Z at that time as far as LE was concerned and as it turns out it never would have happened had GZ listened. GZ does not take directions very well because he has obvious control issues. jmo

 

[Netzilla]

Here's a question. GZ had not brought his gun into this altercation, who do you think would be in jail (if anyone?)

Maybe neither. Trayvon was 6"3' and assuming he wasn't wearing a form fitting hoodie he probably looked didn't look "slim" so Zimmerman might have stayed in his car - maybe not. just my thinking out loud, or something...

 

[songline]

That describes pretty much most of the 17 year old black males in my county and I'm not terrified. And yes I do think they are nice because if they are coming out of the store they ALWAYS hold the door for me. Always. I'm in the south, in a county where 50% are white. I'm sure there are some trouble makers out there but I've not run into them. Maybe it's because I always genuniely smile at people when I approach. I think attitude is a big factor but someone has to initiate it in a positive manner to get results. Remember you can't see that look of distrust on your face...only they can. This was GZ problem. It's all right there on that tape to the dispatcher. TM was set up to be bad from first sight. How simple it would have been for GZ to smile and say, hey guy, you need a ride home, you're getting all wet? It's all in the approach. jmo

Yes the south is known for "Southern Gentleman" and the world at large loves that. means nothing in this case....

I did a consulting project up in the Bronx some time back and it is mostly Ghetto area. YES there were several thugs working in the place I was consulting...ONE treated me really well, opened doors, pulled out a chair asked me if he can go get me a “Pineapple Ginger” a drink you can get up in the Bronx, which I loved and walked me to the train when my work was done.
Anyway... after I left that project I got an e-mail from the owner telling me this guy is in jail, was apprehended for a murder 10 years ago, and a rape 6 years ago.
FUNNY...I was not shocked, I always told the owner that something about him was not as it seems
I thanked my lucky stars, who knows what could have happened if he was not apprehended.
He sure did treat me well..... but.

 

[belle3]

Here's a question. GZ had not brought his gun into this altercation, who do you think would be in jail (if anyone?)

BUt sadly, he did bring a gun to this altercation. NOw a child is dead.

 

[LambChop]

Here's a question. GZ had not brought his gun into this altercation, who do you think would be in jail (if anyone?)

The answer to the question is: GZ listening to LE when told to wait for a patrol car would have GZ at Target 20 minutes after the first car arrived instead of in the back of the patrol car handcuffs. jmo

 

[HiHater]

Nope, not that I can tell.

He does. He says he (Trayvon) is in his late teens, and later when not wanting to give out his address, Zimmerman says "I don't know where this kid is at."

Not verbatim, but close...he says the word "kid"

 

[CathyinTexas]

Minors do not always tell the truth.
So we must still keep that in the forefront of our thinking.
Because misinformation no matter the age is still misinformation.
IF anyone followed my BF and the phone goes dead, after I know
someone is following him :what:
I would not be going about my life.

I think her account is extremely credible. If you put it beside GZ's 911 call and the timeline. If she were going to lie, then she would have said she heard the whole thing or at least GZ threaten TM or something else. She said TM said he was following him, and he was scared. She heard Trayvon ask him why he was following him, and then GZ ask what are you doing here? Then it sounded like a push or shove and she lost Trayvon. Sounds very credible to me.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

BUt sadly, he did bring a gun to this altercation. NOw a child is dead.

He did the right thing by bringing his weapon. He has the right to protect himself and he didn't know what to expect.

 

[songline]

Honestly, i believe he thought it wouldnt get this far and it would just "all blow over" so to speak. He didnt expect to see himself on video and that he would have to explain himself. His story kept changing as more details of the evening were released or leaked. Which make it a little bit hard to believe his version of events. We arent privy to what exactly happened that night. From what we know Mr. Zimmerman has put a story out there that is just too hard to prove. Maybe he has other things we havent seen like pics of his injuries or more complete 911 call exists that we havent heard that more clearly describes his recollection of events. I dont believe he originally intended to kill trayvon that night. I believe he wasnt gonna let another "punk" get away, and he didnt.

I have not seen that GZ has changed the story...
I have not seen that he contradicts himself.
WHAT I have seen is that more pieces come to light.

 

[LambChop]

Yes the south is known for "Southern Gentleman" and the world at large loves that. means nothing in this case....

I did a consulting project up in the Bronx some time back and it is mostly Ghetto area. YES there were several thugs working in the place I was consulting...ONE treated me really well, opened doors, pulled out a chair asked me if he can go get me a “Pineapple Ginger” a drink you can get up in the Bronx, which I loved and walked me to the train when my work was done.
Anyway... after I left that project I got an e-mail from the owner telling me this guy is in jail, was apprehended for a murder 10 years ago, and a rape 6 years ago.
FUNNY...I was not shocked, I always told the owner that something about him was not as it seems
I thanked my lucky stars, who knows what could have happened if he was not apprehended.
He sure did treat me well..... but.

May I quote your post......"means nothing in this case". Thanks for sharing but this man could have easily been white, asian, etc. There have been plenty of fugitives that ran from crimes and were discovered years later living a civil, peaceful and reformed life. ***** happens and some people learn from their mistakes they just don't want to pay for them. jmo

 

[SuziQ]

Well you're an adult with quick access to a car. She's 15, no license, and possibly no access to a car to get there. Is there a person she could beg and plead to drive her down there? Lets say there is. Are they willing to drive her to a situation where is a gun and risking her getting shot too, since they don't know the situation? Good grief!

I think many have not considered the fact that she lives about 250 miles away. She probably didn't have the address of the future step mom since Trayvon was visiting and didn't live there. I doubt she had Trayvon's parents phone number. My kids don't have their friends parents numbers in the phone.

 

[songline]

He did the right thing by bringing his weapon. He has the right to protect himself and he didn't know what to expect.

He went out to get milk.
what did he need a weapon for?
He did not know he may need it or not.
You can tell I am anti guns.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

BBM

We know from all the 911 calls that Captain George had experience in calling about kids playing in the street and such. 18-23? The Captain was able to narrow it down a little better than that for THIS 911 operator:

Good morning CP....you and WOO are so good at sleuthing, can you look over this and tell me what's wrong with that picture, GZ is trying to sell...I've only posted a portion so you might want to go to the article itself..

This is how much I trust your judgement...also the video with ACooper deciphering what was said in that call...I'll get that link and edit htis post...unless you've already gone through the thread..TIA

Tracy Martin recounts police version of son Trayvon’s death
By Sari Horwitz and Rosalind Helderman, Published: March 28

The Washington Post A police detective told the father of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin that his son initiated two confrontations with the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot him.

Tracy Martin, describing the police version of events in a meeting Wednesday with Washington Post reporters and editors, said he did not believe the official account, which was conveyed to him two days after his 17-year-old son was killed Feb. 26. The detective’s explanation, as relayed by Martin, largely coincides with recent news reports that George Zimmerman told investigators that he shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense.

According to Tracy Martin, the Sanford, Fla., detective recounted this sequence of events: Trayvon Martin walked up to Zimmerman’s vehicle and asked why he was following him. Zimmerman denied following the youth and rolled up the car window. Minutes after Trayvon walked away, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

Then came the second encounter, according to Tracy Martin’s recollection of the detective’s account. Trayvon Martin appeared from behind a building in Zimmerman’s gated community, approached him and demanded, “What’s your problem, homie?”

When Zimmerman replied that he didn’t have a problem, Martin said, “You do now.” The unarmed teenager hit Zimmerman, knocked him to the ground, pinned him down and told him to “shut the [expletive] up.”

During the beating, Zimmerman pulled his gun and fired one shot at close range into Martin’s chest. “You got me,” the teenager said, falling backward.

Tracy Martin and the 17-year-old’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, said Wednesday that they have never accepted this explanation for their son’s death.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...hhS_story.html


ETA

Fortunately, CNN is on the case, and had their audio specialist isolate the 1.6 seconds involved, modify it so background noise was removed, and played it back. And while the CNN anchor involved declined to state definitively whether the slur was used, both the editor and the anchor said it sounded an awful lot like it was, especially when the word alone was isolated. Mediaite discovered the segment and linked it. You can watch and decide for yourself below:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnn-...w-very-likely/

Above is the recording they have isolated that alleged racial slur...

 

[songline]

I think many have not considered the fact that she lives about 250 miles away. She probably didn't have the address of the future step mom since Trayvon was visiting and didn't live there. I doubt she had Trayvon's parents phone number. My kids don't have their friends parents numbers in the phone.

So often we read a story where a 4 year old called 911 THAT IS INSPIRING.
she is 17.