FL FL - Austin Stephanos & Perry Cohen, both 14, Jupiter, 24 July 2015 - #1

[ATasteOfHoney]

Are there sharks in that water?

Read my location (& I mean that both literally & figuratively)

 

[atthelake]

60 something miles offshore is way too deep for an anchor as far as I'm aware....

Oh... Duh. You mean that they may have anchored wherever they were and it broke loose after whatever happened. Yeah, I'm not so smart today. Lol


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Actually, to deep sea anchor you tie everything floatable TO the anchor line, e. g. the engine cover, and any coolers. :moo:

This slows the movement of the boat to "anchor" it without hitting bottom by creating a drag factor. I would assume by now we would have heard word if they had indeed attached those missing items noted in the video and they were tied to the anchor line.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I hadn't caught the reference to the anchor before I did the transcription and made me look at the video again.

Another thing I as a boater off the Florida coast was told NEVER to do is to try to anchor when there are large swells in a storm as that in itself may capsize the boat. :moo:

RSABBM

When I read the motor cover was missing my first thought was engine trouble. That is scary to me because it's extremely dangerous not to have power to the boat if caught in a storm. The bow (or front) of the boat needs to be facing the waves even if it means heading into the storm. There is no way to do this if you lose power to the boat. jmo

 

[WhiskeyBent]

Actually, to deep sea anchor you tie everything floatable TO the anchor line, e. g. the engine cover, and any coolers. :moo:

This slows the movement of the boat to "anchor" it without hitting bottom by creating a drag factor. I would assume by now we would have heard word if they had indeed attached those missing items noted in the video and they were tied to the anchor line.

Ahh, ok. I wasn't aware of that. I don't spend a whole lot of time on the water; I may live in Florida but I prefer to stay on dry land. Lol



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[atthelake]

I think it is POB----Persons on Board......

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Corrected thanks !

 

[Elainera]

60 something miles offshore is way too deep for an anchor as far as I'm aware....

Oh... Duh. You mean that they may have anchored wherever they were and it broke loose after whatever happened. Yeah, I'm not so smart today. Lol


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No, you are smart On the fb page it said the searchers anchored it after finding it and searched around the boat.

But this was fb, might very well be wrong. If it's rubbish I'm sorry I brought it up, don't mean to confuse people

 

[atthelake]

Correction... the video did not mention the missing Yeti cooler or life vests..other MSM did

 

[atthelake]

In the fb group someone said they anchored the boat in place when they found it and searched around it.
Maybe that's what they were referring to?

Thanks, it's on MSM also

"The single-engine boat was to be anchored in place while search-and-rescue efforts continue, said Lehmann.

The boat's engine cover was gone, but one life jacket was on board, the Coast Guard said."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-teen-boaters-folo-20150726-story.html#page=1

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

This story is getting national coverage....missing boys on Fox News just now. The reporter said that the Gulf Stream is really warm right now with temps being in the 80's which is very warm water. There is some hope.
Searchers looking northeast (towards Daytona) for the boys which is the flow of the Gulf Stream.
We just had another quick but furious lightening rain storm late this afternoon--a common occurrence for southeast Florida this time of year.

 

[Cardinal47]

What?
The man was trying to do something good!
That 100 grand could help!

He has the money!
I see nothing wrong with him wanting to help heck he dosent have to do something like this to get publicity. He is Joe Nameth!

Sorry I yelled but leave the guy alone. He is trying to help!

JMO

I thought about this today and my take on it is he is trying to get as many 'eyes' in the water looking for these two boys. Since they are neighbors I am sure he ran it by the families and this was their decision. The more looking the better the chance of seeing anything at all.

 

[SuperTmo]

I hope they find these boys! I hope they will be found alive, but if they have died I hope that for their families' sake that their bodies will be found.

 

[Hatfield]

One might automatically try to hold onto sides, but in high seas with large swells, is indeed dangerous. I had it happen to me once and was thrown into the boat and hit my head in high swells... e.g. imagine those water parks with waves and holding onto something that you would get thrown into with a swell.... good for low waves, Baaad in a storm :moo:

Also, in that video I see a line wrapped around the back motor. And they are discussing anchor? If anyone else wants to try to transcribe as I'm not good with :earson: (Note: it's a cropped video, yet I cannot see the times well so didn't put it in the transcription below

https://www.dvidshub.net/video/4167...psized-boat-search-missing-teens#.VbadWfmGMSa

it sounded like they said ??diver/helicopter/somewhere else directing in transcript ??? (If someone else wants to take a go at correcting and adding to this, please do! :daisy: :tyou

"radio out

(garbled)

Transformer 07 go ahead

(garbled)

that the (garbled) echo (garbled) it was drifting

(garbled)

I didn't copy that first part

I heard somebody here but it sounded like he was saying it was drifting too, kinda anchored, zero POB

(skips to :41 on edit) Zero POB.

Zero?

Zero POB

understand zero.

277 (garbled)

He just confirmed nobody's on board so they are trying to find any other gear we'll wanna know tag number with (garbled) conditions

was it a Yamaha engine?

It looks like (overtalk)

We'll take your word for it it's kinda (garbled) uh we'll confirm the make of the engine.

thank you sir

(Garbled)

(garbled).... There's no cover over

there's no cover over

Sarge (garbled) roger no cover on the motor over"



I hadn't caught the reference to the anchor before I did the transcription and made me look at the video again.

Another thing I as a boater off the Florida coast was told NEVER to do is to try to anchor when there are large swells in a storm as that in itself may capsize the boat. :moo:

Re BBM

I learned the hard way about anchoring in large waves.

I was just in my john boat at a local lake and we had a storm move in which caused pretty rough waves. So I decided to drop anchor to ride out the storm.

Bad idea. !!! LOL

As soon as the anchor hit bottom and I tied off, each wave that came in would pull the front end of the boat under water and we took in some nice volumes of water until I realized what was happening and luckily was able to untie the anchor.

I learned 2 lessons that day.

1-never do that

2-Always have a knife handy because I almost could not untie it because the waves caused my knot to get extremely tight. I would have had to cut the anchor rope if I could not untie it.

 

[Eileen730]

Would they remove the motor cover if they had engine trouble?

 

[Hatfield]

Would they remove the motor cover if they had engine trouble?

Yes, its possible.

If they were in the middle of the storm. And if their engine died, its possible they yanked off the cover to try to start the engine.

There are certain things you can do with the cover off when you are trying to start a stalled engine.

For example, they have a "Carberator Spray" that can be sprayed directly into the carberator to help the engine fire better.

Things like that.

If the storm was raining real bad, I could see where that may ahve stalled the engine.

Engines are a finicky thing and when it is pouring rain out, it is like 100 percent humidty and engines sometime have a tough time in high humidity.

Another example is if a big wave crashed over top of the engine.
Something like that could stall it.

They may have pulled the cover to try to get water out of the top end of the engine. In order to try to restart it.

 

[Hatfield]

Someone brought up a really good point a few posts ago.

If the waves were really rough, they needed to keep the engine running so that they could keep the front end pointed into the waves.

You always want the nose of the boat facing directly into the waves. You can ride out really rough waves so long as you are pointed directly at them. If you get yourself turned sideways, you can get swamped by a wave hitting the boat sideways and flipping the boat.

So the poster made a great point that if their engine stalled, they would be in serious trouble unfortunately because they would have no way to keep the front end pointing into the waves.

 

[Eileen730]

Yes, its possible.

If they were in the middle of the storm. And if their engine died, its possible they yanked off the cover to try to start the engine.

There are certain things you can do with the cover off when you are trying to start a stalled engine.

For example, they have a "Carberator Spray" that can be sprayed directly into the carberator to help the engine fire better.

Things like that.

If the storm was raining real bad, I could see where that may ahve stalled the engine.

Engines are a finicky thing and when it is pouring rain out, it is like 100 percent humidty and engines sometime have a tough time in high humidity.

Another example is if a big wave crashed over top of the engine.
Something like that could stall it.

They may have pulled the cover to try to get water out of the top end of the engine. In order to try to restart it.

This is what I was thinking they were having trouble. Thanks for explaining!

 

[Elainera]

This story is getting national coverage....missing boys on Fox News just now. The reporter said that the Gulf Stream is really warm right now with temps being in the 80's which is very warm water. There is some hope.
Searchers looking northeast (towards Daytona) for the boys which is the flow of the Gulf Stream.
We just had another quick but furious lightening rain storm late this afternoon--a common occurrence for southeast Florida this time of year.

On CNN AC 360 too just now. Both mothers were interviewed. They sounded optimistic that the boys will be found alive.

No news though.

 

[Hatfield]

On CNN AC 360 too just now. Both mothers were interviewed. They sounded optimistic that the boys will be found alive.

No news though.

I hope they find them. So long as they have their life jackets on, I do think they could survive for many days.

The problem the searchers will have is trying to spot them but the good news is they can last many days so long as life jackets are on.

I know most kids dont wear them when casually boating but when storms are coming I have faith in the boys putting on their life jackets.

Most experienced boaters like them will be smart enough to put on their life jackets when the waves started to get rough. I have faith they would have put on their life jackets.

Now we just have to find them.

 

[Hatfield]

It truly is a race against time to find them. I have heard of stories of boaters being in the water with just their life jackets and lasting many days.

I know the obvious concern is sharks so its a race against time but even with sharks they have a chance. The 1 story I remember reading about had a guy in the water and he said sharks would come up to him and kind of bump him to inspect him and he would just hold still and they would swim off.

Its not a guarantee of course but hopefully the boys will have luck like the guy I remember reading about.

 

[WhiskeyBent]

Lighting up the inlet tonight to help them find their way home.