GUILTY FL - Chance Walsh, 7 wks, North Port, 7 Oct 2015 #2

[CookieM]

How about Devon and Damian Routiers graveside birthday party with silly string, while you chew gum and laugh all in front a news reporter for the six o'clock news? Darren didn't look to happy, but Darlie sure did. She was glowing.

Ugh, yes... That was awful.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

My recollection was not entirely accurate. Here's the article I referenced.

According to interviews, police records and investigatory documents:

Early that afternoon, Duane's parents called 911 and reported that he was unresponsive.

A North Port paramedic found Duane in his parents' bedroom, lying face up on the ground between the playpen and the door. His heart was not beating.

Duane was pale with dark colored patches on his skin. Blood was coming from his nostrils.

He was pronounced dead at the scene.

Bury told paramedics that Duane had been vomiting earlier that week and that morning. She took Duane to a doctor, she said, but was told his condition was normal.

She, Walsh and Duane took a nap in their bed sometime after feeding Duane at 8 a.m. They woke up around 1 p.m. and found the baby unresponsive.

As police escorted the couple from the home, Bury was reported as saying “I killed my baby.”

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20151018/article/151019687?p=2&tc=pg

How many newborn babies sleep that long? How could they sleep through a baby crying in the same bed with them? At that point he should be drinking 2 - 3 ounces two about every two hours.

 

[EllieBee]

How many newborn babies sleep that long? How could they sleep through a baby crying in the same bed with them? At that point he should be drinking 2 - 3 ounces two about every two hours.

And I am still not clear on the job-having of the parents. I know a few months after Duane died, KB is *****ing about nobody jumping at the chance to pick her up from her graveyard shift at Denny's and saying how she was not even ready to go back to work yet.

So was no one working when Duane died? So is that how they were both napping from 8-1? Or sleeping off a binge? Or both?

 

[EllieBee]

How many newborn babies sleep that long? How could they sleep through a baby crying in the same bed with them? At that point he should be drinking 2 - 3 ounces two about every two hours.

He probably was too sick to cry.

 

[CookieM]

And I am still not clear on the job-having of the parents. I know a few months after Duane died, KB is *****ing about nobody jumping at the chance to pick her up from her graveyard shift at Denny's and saying how she was not even ready to go back to work yet.

So was no one working when Duane died? So is that how they were both napping from 8-1? Or sleeping off a binge? Or both?

Yeah, I don't know about the job sitch either. I would assume, though, that if he did have a job, it might be an hourly one and the hours could have been outside of normal "office hours" (ie 9-5.) From what JW's AA sponsor said in that interview he did, after Duane died, JW told him he wanted another baby and the AA sponsor thought he was crazy for that. He said something about neither of them having a job, and having dogs they couldn't even take care of, but then a while later she got pregnant.

I don't think they had a very, shall we say, impressive work history.

At one point on her fb page she was complaining because she couldn't get hired because of her criminal record, so maybe it was the same with him.

 

[bessie]

How many newborn babies sleep that long? How could they sleep through a baby crying in the same bed with them? At that point he should be drinking 2 - 3 ounces two about every two hours.

That's one reason I think he was already deceased by the time they awoke.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

That's one reason I think he was already deceased by the time they awoke.

I think that too, but I'm not sure about the blood coming out of his nose. Was it fresh or dried like it had been been a while? Pale with dark patches would could be livor mortis (blood pooling) like you said before, and that would mean he'd been dead for a while. Had anyone ever said how long they thought he'd been dead before paramedics got there?

 

[borndem]

He probably was too sick to cry.

My thoughts since the beginning.

He may have had a high fever as well. She prolly wasn't all that interested in feeding him, either.

(Heck - once in the morning and once at night, right? Grrrr)

 

[Kairi'sMom]

Do we know for sure she was using when PG with Duane? They both look so well here. http://duanejacobwalsh.weebly.com/blog/very-quiet-night I wonder if all was well then and then two recovered addicts slipped back during their grief. IDK why, I'm sorry....I keep trying to make things better with this case. I just want to believe Dune was loved. Even that chance was loved. He doesn't look malnourished to me. I just want to hope he was loved tik this sicko lost it one day. I'm holding my baby boy and I just can not imagine harming a baby. I just can not wrap my head around hurting your own tiny son.

I read the whole thing.
And I think at the time they were both doing well. I agree they looked healthy and appeared to be doing ok.

She talks about being angry about his death and then later she says she's going to keep it all to herself and stop writing the blog. She is a good writer. She should have kept writing instead of getting back into drugs. Perhaps Chance would still be alive.

This is making me really sad tonight. Just when you think someone is inhuman, you see some particle of their humanity peeking through the evil.

I want to make things better, too, in my mind. I can't wrap my head around the evil part.

My dad once told me, "Some people are just plain mean."
I have to remind myself of that often.

 

[Jovi Girl]

Does anyone know or have an idea why Chance hasn't been positively identified as of yet ? Or has he been ? This thread is still listed under "missing persons", so I'm guessing there hasn't been an official identification yet .

 

[AmyPond]

I saw a post up-thread about how nurses visit pre-term babies in their home? I have never heard of this. Is this something that happens in the U.S. or somewhere else?

I had a full term baby so obviously no one came to my house. He was born on a Tuesday. We went home on Friday. His first appointment with the pediatrician was the next day (Saturday.) Though the pediatrician did see him every day in the hospital too.

I think it's weird that they fell asleep at 8am and didn't wake until 1pm. When our son was that young, we would set alarms to make sure we didn't miss feedings.

 

[bessie]

I think that too, but I'm not sure about the blood coming out of his nose. Was it fresh or dried like it had been been a while? Pale with dark patches would could be livor mortis (blood pooling) like you said before, and that would mean he'd been dead for a while. Had anyone ever said how long they thought he'd been dead before paramedics got there?

I haven't read where it was said how long he was dead when the paramedics arrived.

 

[bessie]

Does anyone know or have an idea why Chance hasn't been positively identified as of yet ? Or has he been ? This thread is still listed under "missing persons", so I'm guessing there hasn't been an official identification yet .

No confirmation yet.

 

[bessie]

I saw a post up-thread about how nurses visit pre-term babies in their home? I have never heard of this. Is this something that happens in the U.S. or somewhere else?

I had a full term baby so obviously no one came to my house. He was born on a Tuesday. We went home on Friday. His first appointment with the pediatrician was the next day (Saturday.) Though the pediatrician did see him every day in the hospital too.

I think it's weird that they fell asleep at 8am and didn't wake until 1pm. When our son was that young, we would set alarms to make sure we didn't miss feedings.

It was tlcya who said a nurse visited her home, so that would be in the U.S.

 

[Hippiemomof5]

It was tlcya who said a nurse visited her home, so that would be in the U.S.

I had full term babies, hospital and birthing center births, home between 2 and 60 hrs after each baby was born, and we've had a nurse visit the following day for each one. I didn't realize it wasn't the norm all over the US.

 

[StacyMarie83]

I had full term babies, hospital and birthing center births, home between 2 and 60 hrs after each baby was born, and we've had a nurse visit the following day for each one. I didn't realize it wasn't the norm all over the US.

I live in IL and never heard of such a thing?!?! I had my child full-term, c-section and no nurse visit at all ... and we had great insurance at the time. Not sure if this is in certain areas maybe??? JMO

 

[CharlestonGal]

No home visit here, either. I'm in the US. My husband and I had to attend an infant care class (2-3 hours, I think) before we could leave the hospital with our baby. A social worker did visit our room to suss the situation and see if we had any special needs. A lactation specialist worked with me for about an hour to teach me how to latch and breastfeed my baby and make sure that was working out. But no one came to house after we left. I do recall a nurse calling me at home 2-3 days later to check that everything was okay and answer any questions I had.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Uh oh.

"Records obtained by NBC2 show that woman called to report Chance's mom was a "opiate user" and expressed concern about Chance's well-being.

"It was determined by that hotline councilor that, uh, she just believed most of it was hearsay," Carroll said.

"Speaking Thursday in front of the Senate Committee on Children and Families, Carroll admitted the called was "screened out," meaning the DCF worker didn't see a reason to follow up.

"We have been in the process of trying to review why that call wasn't accepted. We know it should've been."

Carroll admitted he's since listened to that call, and determined it met all the qualifications for a credible tip.

"In the end I have one person, who's listening to a call, and has to make a judgment call ... and in this case that judgment turned out not to be correct."

In a statement sent to NBC2, Carroll said his agency has started an internal review of the case. He did not put a timeline on when that review will be completed.

"It certainly met the metrics and should have resulted in a call where somebody went to the hospital to check."

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/30329886/dcf-admits-mistakes-made-in-chance-walsh-case

 

[Eileen730]

It's an odd statement, to be sure. I get a sense of someone who wanted to draw attention to herself.

Think about how most of us would react to a mother who just lost a child and made that exclamation. We'd coddle her with reassurance and pity. I think she was hoping for that reaction from those around her.

When she said "I killed my baby."
I think she thought she rolled over on him in the bed. They went to sleep with the baby in the bed....(not a fan of baby in bed with parents).
I think they then placed him on the floor when they called 911. Heck maybe they tried CPR.
I don't think this woman had one clue on how to take care of a baby and He couldn't take care of anyone even himself.
This was a tragedy in the making! the signs were all there.
His struggles with Alcohol
their drug abuse
Alienation of family and friends
loss of parental rights
One dead Baby
fire
numerous relocations
This list is way to long...

These babies didn't have a chance!
T

 

[Ontario Mom]

My heart goes out to the hotline councilor right now (yes, even though I was pretty sarcastic about that event earlier on this thread - I was just angry)

I'm sure those folks are trained to ask key questions when a call like that comes in, and the answers to those questions determine if any action is taken. Other than what's been stated in the media we don't really know how that conversation went. The caller may have said "I heard from a friend" and never actually saw KB using drugs. The caller may have been an enemy of KB's and the councilor may have detected some sort of tone in the caller's voice that made her think it was just someone trying to get someone else in trouble - paybacks or something. We just don't really know.

A few years ago one of my daughters had a horrible druggy neighbor that fought with her husband all the time. Screaming, yelling, throwing things against the apartment wall, etc. One day my daughter asked her nicely to please keep it down as her baby was sleeping and the neighbor flipped out on her and told her she was calling Children's Aid on her. Sure enough, she did call and they actually came to my daughter's apartment just as a precaution. The worker told my daughter they actually get calls like that all the time (accusations with no real basis) but they follow up anyway, and err on the side of caution in case there is a legit concern for the kid(s). Turns out, the aid worker called the police and the woman who called them ended up getting her kids taken and she was arrested on drug charges. It's just a real shame the DCF didn't also err on the side of caution in Chance's case.

Maybe they'll change the policy now and take EVERY call seriously? Maybe Chance's legacy will be to prevent other tiny little people like him, suffering the same fate he did?