GUILTY FL - Charles Kinsey, autistic caregiver, North Miami, July 2016 -guilty of misdemeanor

[drjones]

Hi drjones

Not sure what you are referring too as punishment, I apologize.

Yes of course I agree it should be taken to trial but I can't say what the LE and others will decide how it will be handled. I have not yet heard from the LE other than the News Conference.

I was just expressing my thoughts and feelings from the news article and how it affected me. Thankfully no one died from this incident.

Again all JMO

your post that i quoted was in response to someone that mentioned that they had taken his toy truck, that is the context of my reply.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

As expected the Police union guy offers his version of what happened:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...dentally_us_579144d3e4b00c9876cecb95?section=

Cop ‘Accidentally’ Shot Mental Health Therapist Charles Kinsey Trying To Protect Him, Police Union Leader Says
The officer misjudged the threat and shot the wrong person, the Miami-Dade union boss said.
07/21/2016 10:05 pm 22:05:25

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“A North Miami police officer was trying to protect an unarmed mental health therapist when he “accidentially” fired a shot and wounded the man, the head of the local police union said Thursday.”

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“The officer “thought Kinsey’s life was in danger,” John Rivera, head of the Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association, said at a news conference.”

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““This isn’t a mistake in the sense that the officer shot the wrong guy, or that Mr. Kinsey was the bad guy,” Rivera said. “It was a mistake in the sense that he thought Mr. Kinsey was a victim and was about to lose his life. And so he attempted to stop the white male and accidentally shot Mr. Kinsey.”

Rivera said the officer wasn’t aiming for Kinsey when he fired.

He couldn’t explain why, after the shooting, officers rolled the bleeding Kinsey to his side and handcuffed him.”​

"He attempted to stop the white male and accidentally shot Mr Kinsey".........oh, ok, yeah, you were trying to shoot the white guy. It was just a little accident that you shot the black one.

Unbelievable. Literally.

 

[Harriet]

I feel bad for the Hispanic officer that thought he had to save a life...and was wrong. I bet he wishes he was perfect like the many that are judging him. I have made plenty of mistakes in my life, I'm glad I'm not perfect. It would be too hard to sit in judgment on people every day. It would be too tiring.

Of course I feel terrible for Mr. Kinsey too. He seems like a really nice man. Like I said in an earlier post, I hope he gets lots and lots of money for his ordeal.

As a side note, why were they sitting in the middle of the road anyway? Mr. Kinsey is an autistic man's caregiver and I don't find it too safe to be in the middle of the road with someone I'm caring for.

I work with people with severe autism along with other neurological disorders . I have negotiated with clients everywhere, including middle of busy roads, escalators and shops. Once they sit down and become overwhelmed that's it. They won't budge.
The client is clearly seen spinning his truck and rocking, classic traits. He does not appear neurotypical all in any sense. People are often frightened of those with mental health problems and this appears to be going on here.

I am so glad to live in the uk!

 

[Jax49]

I'm usually as pro-cop as can be, but this story stinks to high heaven. Shot the wrong guy (when no one should have been shot, period), and then cuffed and left the victim (that the cop was supposedly protecting) to bleed out for twenty minutes.

Really? We're supposed to believe this load of bull?

 

[CARIIS]

One thing I don't understand is how they could watch the man with autism for the length of the video and not understand that something was going on with him. Had I known nothing about this story before watching this video, I could have correctly diagnosed him as someone with probable autism. And I'm not a genius, so I don't understand how the officer missed it.


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Me too!!! And they should have some basic training in what some of the illiness look like, basic deescalation skills across the board. As many of you know -- deescalation can be awesome when administered correctly moo

Katherine Fernandez Rundue, Miami-Dade State Attorney statement from the video:

“We will conduct our own investigation and review all the evidence to determine
whether the actions of the shooting officer constitute a criminal act that can be proven
beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt.”​

TY IB!

That is it that is quite a sentence now isnt it!!

 

[GeeEm]

there is no scope on any weapon that can be seen in either video as far as i can tell, i do not think the person who fired his weapon had a scope

Morning drjones

Oh ok I would have to rewatch the video for certain but I was so focused on the boy I didn't see one

JMO

 

[GeeEm]

Lol .. Since when is shooting the presumed potential victim not a mistake??? Yes, stop talking, pay the money, sack the policeman and charge him, then offer him a great plea so he shuts up too.

Then RETRAIN your police to be way less trigger happy and only shoot when necessary and when lives are actually threatened.

What a joke. If I was a black man in America I'd be making like a hermit and staying inside until things are better, or moving to Canada.

RBBM

Same!! I have friends of different race and it worries me. 😳 So sadly this world seems to be degressing instead of agressing

O/T. I might be moving to Canada in 6 months lol

I always enjoy reading your posts 🤗

Have a good day

 

[GeeEm]

I'm usually as pro-cop as can be, but this story stinks to high heaven. Shot the wrong guy (when no one should have been shot, period), and then cuffed and left the victim (that the cop was supposedly protecting) to bleed out for twenty minutes.

Really? We're supposed to believe this load of bull?

I'm usually, well almost pro-cop until I see something like this so so unnecessary. I support ST and LEO with funding because of family history and ties. Just so sad‼️

No, so far I don't believe that load of BS. THIS SOUNDS AWFUL but he may have wanted his fame 😡😡😡

All JMHO 🐮

 

[jjenny]

I feel bad for the Hispanic officer that thought he had to save a life...and was wrong. I bet he wishes he was perfect like the many that are judging him. I have made plenty of mistakes in my life, I'm glad I'm not perfect. It would be too hard to sit in judgment on people every day. It would be too tiring.

Of course I feel terrible for Mr. Kinsey too. He seems like a really nice man. Like I said in an earlier post, I hope he gets lots and lots of money for his ordeal.

As a side note, why were they sitting in the middle of the road anyway? Mr. Kinsey is an autistic man's caregiver and I don't find it too safe to be in the middle of the road with someone I'm caring for.

I find your post very confusing. Whose life did the officer think he save? Since he is claiming he was actually trying to protect Mr. Kinsey, but actually shot him, why would he think he saved any lives? As for being in the middle of the road, autistic man run away from his care facility and Mr. Kinsey was trying to get him to go back.

 

[CARIIS]

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They need to stop talking. This makes no sense whatsoever.


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Totally make no sense, again video

23-year-old patient,

what in the video was HE doing that was threatening to anyone??

On another note, no real relevance, other than the media getting it all wrong and then just keep reporting it over and over .

Heap of difference between a mental health therapist and a behavioral therapist. Only matters in the context of journalim moo!

In that setting, typically, it is like an orderly with some training. Funding and stuff.

Generally the ABA _(Applied Behavioral Stuff) are techniques used to directly impact "behavoir" solely. Autisim is very challenging, and one can be trained to specifically deal with that population, which would include training on the disorder specifically which is very important.

Its getting better, but often these indivduals can be percieved as just badly behaved children when the truth is nothing farther than the truth.

The truth here, IMO, is wanting someone with a hurt ankle to run the marathon, compared to a amputee to do the same.

They are not behaving "badly", they do not know what bad behavior is. They are only doing what they "can" (capacity here is key). There is a difference.

They tend not to have the capacity to manage uncomfortable feeling states (anger/frustration/responding to others etc) in what is typical response to those stimuli.

Back to media reporting wrong!

There are several types. Often it is a BCBA who supervises individuals providing ABA. Neither ABA nor BCBA, by definition, is Autism specific.

They specialize in behavior.

The other credentials

The CAS and AC are not behavior specific, but are Autism specific.

Based on what he yelled out to LE (only a guess on my part) I do not think he was a Certified Autism Specialist. He used the term behaviorial in identifing himself.

Sounds nitpicky, I know, but a oncologist is not a "doctor" he is a oncologist, you get my drift.

There is a differance between a dental hygenist and a dentist ..............

Just get the "position" correct media. Get your

 

[Tillicum]

According to a law-enforcement source, the officer who shot Kinsey was taking cover behind a squad car and fired from at least 50 yards away. He shot after another officer, in a radio transmission, suggested the autistic man was loading his weapon, which turned out to be the toy truck, the source said.

In interviews, Kinsey said he repeatedly told police while he was lying on the ground that there was no weapon and not to shoot. Rivera said North Miami police couldn&#8217;t hear his cries. The union president didn&#8217;t know how far the police were from Kinsey.

More at link (trying to stay within 10%) http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...insey-shooting-north-miami20160722-story.html

 

[Greater Than]

there is no scope on any weapon that can be seen in either video as far as i can tell, i do not think the person who fired his weapon had a scope

Does an assault rifle have a scope?

Then, while Kinsey was lying supine with his hands in the air and the autistic man sat beside him, an officer fired three rounds from an assault rifle, according to North Miami police. One bullet found a target — Kinsey.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article91160077.html#storylink=cpy

 

[CARIIS]

From the Local10 article previously posted:

http://www.local10.com/news/exculsi...uns-drawn-moments-before-north-miami-shooting

“The owner of the group home, Clinton Bower, told Local 10 News that the autistic man, who is nonverbal, was handcuffed and detained by police for hours.

He said his client had to be hospitalized after returning from police custody and said officers confiscated his toy truck as evidence.

Bower called Kinsey a hero and said he did everything right in following police's orders and making sure his client was OK.

Bower said he offered North Miami police training on how to deal with people with disabilities two years ago after police stunned another client with a Taser. He said the department never took him up on his offer.”​

So much for Community Policing.

And, something I have wondered about. In the same article it says: “However, the man who took the cellphone video claims the officer was looking through a scope when he fired his weapon.” Which, if true implies to me that he should have been able to see that the object was not a gun.

Oh brother i.b.! That makes sense tho, the video I have seen , the officer behind the tree, my gut response when I saw it was literally you really need your machine gun out for this sitution? It was a mean mean long big gun, mean......

Hi I.b.nora

Heck even I could see there was no gun on the autistic person and I'm half blind(not really). But if the officer used a scope???? And hearing Mr Kinsey words??? Not looking good.

JMO

Kinda (just speculation) wondering if we might find out, cop, may be in some job ordered "treatment" of some kind? Speculation of course, but it was broad dayllight, still scene, got one "suspect" flat on his back--there are a lot of misjudements going on here.

In addition, the interaction, apparenlty had some "time", all the more reason to be concerned about officers cognitive stuff, at some level. moo

there is no scope on any weapon that can be seen in either video as far as i can tell, i do not think the person who fired his weapon had a scope

Several lengths of the event have emerged. Doc - did you see the one , like a side view , of cop behind the tree?

I work with people with severe autism along with other neurological disorders . I have negotiated with clients everywhere, including middle of busy roads, escalators and shops. Once they sit down and become overwhelmed that's it. They won't budge.
The client is clearly seen spinning his truck and rocking, classic traits. He does not appear neurotypical all in any sense. People are often frightened of those with mental health problems and this appears to be going on here.

I am so glad to live in the uk!

Do you have a vacancy, I have a level 9 bullet proof vest!!

I'm usually as pro-cop as can be, but this story stinks to high heaven. Shot the wrong guy (when no one should have been shot, period), and then cuffed and left the victim (that the cop was supposedly protecting) to bleed out for twenty minutes.

Really? We're supposed to believe this load of bull?

Apparently yes! I do think this wont fly, if for no other reason than the "brotherhood" or whatever, has come to understand that this has moved past to be recorded...some want to kill you

go on You Tube guys - the intensify of the total "hate" toward LE is profound

 

[Tillicum]

Does an assault rifle have a scope?



Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article91160077.html#storylink=cpy

They usually have iron sights but a scope can be added.

 

[kimlynn]

If the officer did have a scope seems as though his aim should have been more accurate. IMO

 

[i.b.nora]

This witness watched the incident through a pair of binoculars and informed police to no avail that the guy did not have a gun.

Officer who shot unarmed black caretaker was aiming for unarmed autistic patient: Miami police union
Terry Spencer, The Associated Press | July 22, 2016 9:55 AM ET

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/w...caretaker-was-aiming-for-his-autistic-patient

“MIAMI — When Thomas Matthews noticed North Miami police officers responding to a commotion a block from his usual outdoor sitting spot, he grabbed his binoculars and saw a middle-aged black man and a younger autistic man sitting in an intersection.

The officers, he said, grabbed rifles from the patrol cars’ trunks and crept toward the men. The autistic man was holding something in his hand. Peering through his binoculars, he could see the object was a toy truck. Matthews says he tried to tell an officer who had stayed behind for crowd control, but she told him to back up.

Soon, three shots rang out and therapist Charles Kinsey, who had been trying to coax his 27-year-old autistic client back to a nearby facility, was wounded in the leg. The shooting drew national attention because much of what happened before the shooting was captured on video.”​

More...

 

[Doghairrules]

This opinion piece on CNN is excellent imo.

Shooting a man who was lying down with his hands up?
[video=cnn;us/2016/07/21/miami-unarmed-man-shot-by-police-kinsey-pkg.wsvn]http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/opinions/shooting-man-lying-down-opinion-david-perry/index.html[/video]


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[drjones]

Does an assault rifle have a scope?



Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article91160077.html#storylink=cpy

almost any rifle can have a scope or not, it is something that can be added and removed whenever you like.

 

[bluesneakers]

According to a law-enforcement source, the officer who shot Kinsey was taking cover behind a squad car and fired from at least 50 yards away. He shot after another officer, in a radio transmission, suggested the autistic man was loading his weapon, which turned out to be the toy truck, the source said.

In interviews, Kinsey said he repeatedly told police while he was lying on the ground that there was no weapon and not to shoot. Rivera said North Miami police couldn’t hear his cries. The union president didn’t know how far the police were from Kinsey.

More at link (trying to stay within 10%) http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...insey-shooting-north-miami20160722-story.html

I would like to hear the transmission and find out how far away the officer making the call was. If true it's a failure and dangerous overreaction on at least two LEO's parts.

 

[bluesneakers]

Forgive me if I've missed it but have we seen the report that was filed before the video was reported? How was it described before the press conference?

Thanks.