FL - Coralrose Fullwood, 6, found murdered, North Port, 17 Sept 2006

[packerdog]

It's more than just the roaches. There was feces in the tub and on a mattress, rotting food on the counter and in the fridge, piled up dishes, so much laundry one offcer states he had to jump over it.... he couldn't just walk around a small pile....

Like I said I'm sad for their loss I just don't think they get off the hotseat for such a disgusting environment the other children are living in.

Oh and the roaches were IN the fridge, that is a current issue, not something that had to be there before they moved in.


Jubie

Exactly Jubie. I think they were just lazy and didn't care about the filth, which is hard to believe. LE had to leave the house to get some air because of the smell. I wonder how they could stand it.No babysitter would work there in those conditions.

 

[Mabel]

I am originally from Florida and to have a house infested would take a long time for the roaches to blatently come out during the day. If anyone knows more jump in but roaches live in the walls and under the counters and were more than likely in the house when this family moved in. 6 weeks is just to short a period of time to have the house INFESTED just because of this family. IMO

Not necessarily. They could have brought the roaches with them in their belongings when they moved in.

 

[packerdog]

Not necessarily. They could have brought the roaches with them in their belongs when they moved in.

Very true Mabel. They had a filthy home before. If they are renting I feel sorry for the owner. I have heard that little ones will pick them up and put them in their mouths, barf barf. Very unhealthy.

 

[jubie]

Not necessarily. They could have brought the roaches with them in their belongings when they moved in.

Good point and I bet that is just what happened.



Jubie

 

[Amraann]

Not necessarily. They could have brought the roaches with them in their belongings when they moved in.

Those roaches would then reinfest the walls and it would take time for them to be so badly infested that the roaches owned the place.

I am guessing that it was a combination of roaches already in the house and roaches in their belongings.

BY all the reports they have 2 autistic children so I can understand more of a mess in the house ... But certainly not to complete and total filth.

 

[reb]

this is where manditory sterilization comes in.

 

[kgeaux]

The judge also told them not to talk to the children about Coralrose's disappearance or death


Those poor kids. You KNOW they are going to be full of wondering what happened to their tiny sister. How horrible that the parents and grandparents are not allowed to talk about what happened with them. I think DCF and the judge are setting those poor children up for some life time problems. I just don't understand how there is a whit of wisdom in that prohibition.

This is a horrible situation.



Kim Poke, a DCF investigator in Sarasota, explained during the hearing there were several reasons the children were removed. First, one of the children had died under suspicious circumstances. Also there had been six prior DCF inquires at the Fullwoods' previous home in Cape Coral. Five of the reports were for having an unclean home and one for allegedly having medication in reach of small children. The family was cleared.

So now it doesn't even matter if you are cleared? The mere fact that DCF has been called before--and remember, the family has stated there is a family member with mental problems who has made all the calls--that's enough to factor in to determine whether or not your own children are removed from your home. How can unproven allegations count against a family???


"Letting a house get like this leads me to believe mom may have an emotional or psychological problem," the judge said.

Sorry, folks. Just when you think it cannot get any worse, the judge reveals himself to be a misogenist. MOM is the only adult? MOM is the only one responsible for the upkeep of the home? ANd the fact that MOM worked 36 hours back to back really doesn't count, does it. Nope, the dirty house means she has an emotional or psychological problem. Bah humbug on this judge.

 

[Amraann]

I think some things should be considered here before we totally condemn these people.

2 autistic children plus several more plus the parents are working all the time.
I am not even going to pretend its ok to live in a house that totally gross but,
I do wonder what the solution is.

Its very common for autistic children to not be potty trained for a very very long time.
Doesn't one of the articles also state they have two ADHD children as well?
I am just wondering what type of help these people were getting?
Clearly they had their hands full. Although I think its disgusting for anyone to live in that type of grime I also think that they weren't beating the children and some people really just don't know any better.
I know that is hard to believe but its true.

If you walked into my house right now I promise it is not spotless.
Filthy?? far from it but definately not neatly orgainzed like I would like it.
My own autistic child spent the entire night awake printing pictures and cutting them out and leaving a paper trail all over.
The vaccum burnt out the belt 2 days ago.
NO rotting food or dirty dishes but there are clean ones that should be put away and the counters should be wiped.

MY point is just that raising children is difficult in the best of circumstances.
These people were clearly not prepared for the challanges of special needs children nor the expense and work involved in raising them.
Now there daughter has been killed.
So far the police have not arrested them so I assume some evidence exists to show that it was an intruder or that Coral went out her own window.

Sadly some earlier articles indicate that she did that often and possibly had her parents not been so overwhelmed they would have had more time to devote to paying attention to her.

I also wonder why the older teen children could not clean or babysit?
I have a 17 YO and 15 YO and I would be damned if they aren't helping to clean and the 17 YO babysits as well.

 

[Masissy]

I think some things should be considered here before we totally condemn these people.

2 autistic children plus several more plus the parents are working all the time.
I am not even going to pretend its ok to live in a house that totally gross but,
I do wonder what the solution is.

Its very common for autistic children to not be potty trained for a very very long time.
Doesn't one of the articles also state they have two ADHD children as well?
I am just wondering what type of help these people were getting?
Clearly they had their hands full. Although I think its disgusting for anyone to live in that type of grime I also think that they weren't beating the children and some people really just don't know any better.
I know that is hard to believe but its true.

If you walked into my house right now I promise it is not spotless.
Filthy?? far from it but definately not neatly orgainzed like I would like it.
My own autistic child spent the entire night awake printing pictures and cutting them out and leaving a paper trail all over.
The vaccum burnt out the belt 2 days ago.
NO rotting food or dirty dishes but there are clean ones that should be put away and the counters should be wiped.

MY point is just that raising children is difficult in the best of circumstances.
These people were clearly not prepared for the challanges of special needs children nor the expense and work involved in raising them.
Now there daughter has been killed.
So far the police have not arrested them so I assume some evidence exists to show that it was an intruder or that Coral went out her own window.

Sadly some earlier articles indicate that she did that often and possibly had her parents not been so overwhelmed they would have had more time to devote to paying attention to her.

I also wonder why the older teen children could not clean or babysit?
I have a 17 YO and 15 YO and I would be damned if they aren't helping to clean and the 17 YO babysits as well.

:clap: :clap: So true!! The main thing at hand right now is that their daughter was murdered so no need to throw them under the bus due to filth.

 

[bakerprune64]

I think some things should be considered here before we totally condemn these people.

2 autistic children plus several more plus the parents are working all the time.
I am not even going to pretend its ok to live in a house that totally gross but,
I do wonder what the solution is.

Its very common for autistic children to not be potty trained for a very very long time.
Doesn't one of the articles also state they have two ADHD children as well?
I am just wondering what type of help these people were getting?
Clearly they had their hands full. Although I think its disgusting for anyone to live in that type of grime I also think that they weren't beating the children and some people really just don't know any better.
I know that is hard to believe but its true.

If you walked into my house right now I promise it is not spotless.
Filthy?? far from it but definately not neatly orgainzed like I would like it.
My own autistic child spent the entire night awake printing pictures and cutting them out and leaving a paper trail all over.
The vaccum burnt out the belt 2 days ago.
NO rotting food or dirty dishes but there are clean ones that should be put away and the counters should be wiped.

MY point is just that raising children is difficult in the best of circumstances.
These people were clearly not prepared for the challanges of special needs children nor the expense and work involved in raising them.
Now there daughter has been killed.
So far the police have not arrested them so I assume some evidence exists to show that it was an intruder or that Coral went out her own window.

Sadly some earlier articles indicate that she did that often and possibly had her parents not been so overwhelmed they would have had more time to devote to paying attention to her.

I also wonder why the older teen children could not clean or babysit?
I have a 17 YO and 15 YO and I would be damned if they aren't helping to clean and the 17 YO babysits as well.

I think one of the hardest things for me to stomach here (aside from the murder of this preciosu child) is the fact that she had the time and the $$$ to get a manicure but not to hire a houskeeper??

 

[bakerprune64]

:clap: :clap: So true!! The main thing at hand right now is that their daughter was murdered so no need to throw them under the bus due to filth.

They've already been "under the bus" several other times for the filth. I do feel badly that the child was murdered for the parents and siblings both.

 

[kgeaux]

Funny that she had time to do her nails but not enough to clean that filthy house. Maybe she didn't want her nail polish to chip.

I'm thinking she may have done those nails AFTER her little girl was murdered. She is probably not working back to back shifts right now.

 

[kgeaux]

Very true Mabel. They had a filthy home before. If they are renting I feel sorry for the owner. I have heard that little ones will pick them up and put them in their mouths, barf barf. Very unhealthy.

Didn't DCF CLEAR them of all previous charges??? How do we KNOW their previous homes were filthy. An allegation made is not necessarily indicative of FACT.

 

[j2mirish]

I think one of the hardest things for me to stomach here (aside from the murder of this preciosu child) is the fact that she had the time and the $$$ to get a manicure but not to hire a houskeeper??

bp-- please dont misunderstand me--the condition of the house is unexcusable---no questions asked--
but if someone is working 2 jobs, has two children with lots of problems, 2 that are a bit troubled....what if--- just what if.......that was the only thing in the whole picture she ever did just for herself.......again---- dont misunderstand me- but i dont think the cost of nails, would equal the cost of a housekeeper-
we could be talking about a 5.00 set of glue ons, that she painted....again- jmo--- and again--- NO EXCUSE for a flithly house...

 

[Amraann]

WHo says she had a manicure?

Painting ones nails is hardly a manicure. Also the cost of a manicure is not going to equal to what a maid would cost.

I would be hard pressed to fault an over worked mother of several disabled children for getting her nails done.
I think its easy for us to sit back and judge without walking a mile in their shoes.

 

[bakerprune64]

Didn't DCF CLEAR them of all previous charges??? How do we KNOW their previous homes were filthy. An allegation made is not necessarily indicative of FACT.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jubie
I'm sad they lost their little girl but if while at the home investigators find the home as they have described do the parents get a free pass?

That doesn't make sense.

My home gets a bit messy during a busy week but you would NOT find my children sleeping on a mattress without bedding, rotting food and roaches in my FRIDGE. That is disgusting!!


Having a murdered child does not mean they are not responsible for the unacceptable living conditions their other children have to endure.

The mom has time to do her nails? What the heck?

Jubie

Yep Jubie, you summed it up nicely. I have day to day clutter...not filth in my house. Dishes are done before I leave the house in the morning and after dinner. Nothing sits in the sink for more than a couple of hours if that. How could somebody let their house get so bad in just 6 weeks?

That being said, I am still not sure that they had anything to do with CoralRose's murder. Neglectful and disgusting living conditions yes, but murderers??? Jury is still out for me on that.

ETA: Snip...Children were on DCF radar

The Fullwoods have been the subject of six child neglect investigations by state officials in the past -- five because of filth in the home, and one time because medicine was left in reach of children, state officials said in court.

The family remedied the situations in the past without losing custody of the children.

When North Port Police Department Detective Brian Chippendale arrived at the Fullwood's house Sunday morning to investigate the report of Coralrose's disappearance, he said the smell of urine was so overwhelming that he could only stay inside for minutes at the time.

*********************

This could possibly be why DCF said the children were in danger there

 

[concernedperson]

In times of extreme stress we may not be on par for good housekeeping awards. But, to not even through away bad food is bad for children and roaches are never good. It does sound like they brought the roaches with them. Florida has big roaches.

General neglect could have been an opportunity for a predator to pounce or not. These parents don't appear to have the necessary skills to deal with handicapped childen and I applaud the people who are looking out for them. These instances are several layers and not a cut and dry proposition.

We have to realize that the children are the most importent. And, sometimes, it isn't in the best interest of the child to be in their parents control. We frequently talk about parenting and the learning experience from a child's perspective. If the child believes that abuse, neglect is acceptable then it will continue unless there is strong positive forces telling them otherwise.

Bless all the children!

 

[Amraann]

In times of extreme stress we may not be on par for good housekeeping awards. But, to not even through away bad food is bad for children and roaches are never good. It does sound like they brought the roaches with them. Florida has big roaches.

General neglect could have been an opportunity for a predator to pounce or not. These parents don't appear to have the necessary skills to deal with handicapped childen and I applaud the people who are looking out for them. These instances are several layers and not a cut and dry proposition.

We have to realize that the children are the most importent. And, sometimes, it isn't in the best interest of the child to be in their parents control. We frequently talk about parenting and the learning experience from a child's perspective. If the child believes that abuse, neglect is acceptable then it will continue unless there is strong positive forces telling them otherwise.

Bless all the children!

CP what your referring as big roaches are in fact Palmetto Bugs..
They are not roaches like what is being reported as Palmetto bugs cannot infest a home. You may find one or two after a rain storm.
When you read of a home being infested it is German Roaches. They are the ones that infest ... a little less then an inch long and nothing short of tenting the house would eliminate them.

 

[julianne]

WHo says she had a manicure?

Painting ones nails is hardly a manicure. Also the cost of a manicure is not going to equal to what a maid would cost.

I would be hard pressed to fault an over worked mother of several disabled children for getting her nails done.
I think its easy for us to sit back and judge without walking a mile in their shoes.

Excellent points.
j2mirish & Masissy---I agree. Filthy houses do not automatically equate to murder.

 

[Amraann]

Excellent points.
j2mirish & Masissy---I agree. Filthy houses do not automatically equate to murder.

I want to reiterate that I do not condone their house being disgusting or smelling of urine.
BUT they have several disabled children and the smell of urine could have simply been from the previous night.
If I awake and my child is missing I may not be so diligent in cleaning up the pee.

Furthermore I wonder if DCF had 6 previous complaints then why this family wasn't given some respite care to help with the disabled children?
Or case workers assigned to help provide services to the disabled children?
Medicaid in the state of Florida pays a care worker for up to 28 hours a week to assist the family with a disabled child.

WHy weren't these people getting the help they so obviously needed??