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The short (seconds?) July 1 call from SG's phone to HA's phone. I'm still wondering why that happened. Does not fit the calling pattern in the case. JMO.
Good points. However, don't you think there was considerable discussion between KM and SG once it became clear law enforcement was closing in? Shortly before her arrest it was clear that she and Charlie knew they were being watched and recorded. Charlie begins speaking in very obvious code "using terms like Pot Belly Pig" to the point that KM even blurts out finally "I don't give a *advertiser censored* about all this code *advertiser censored*." They begin talking only through WhatsApp and using landlines outside of their homes/offices. They both know how much jeopardy they are in so I cannot imagine KM and SG were not conferring given how imminent his own arrest was and it defies logic to think that, at this point, KM wouldn't discuss CA if only to make sure SG is on the same page. Furthermore, one night before the murder there are over 50 phone calls between KM and SG with calls to CA interspersed in between. She almost certainly was discussing the hit with him in some fashion and why a law professor in Tallahassee needed to be killed. Even if KM withheld CA's name during these conversations, if SG testifies that he knew Katie was conspiring with somebody, the evidence makes it very clear who that somebody was. SG would only need to confirm he knew somebody was going to pay for the hit via KM and that pretty much implicates the Adelsons because of the communications, calls and money -- there isn't anybody else but the Adelsons who could have been behind it.Thanks. This confirms what I predicted were the options for KM. If she has something more than her allocution to offer she’s still valuable in convicting CA.
As for SG, I maintain he can’t tie CA to DM’s murder bc KM never told him about CA’s involvement. SG only knew CA’s involvement after the bump and even then it wasn’t right away. Even if KM tried to get SG to kill the undercover on the behest of CA; it doesn’t prove conclusively that CA ordered the hit on DM. It just shows CA was being extorted and wanted to kill the person extorting him. So they can get him on solicitation but that’s it. He’s useless to the state on CA’s involvement in the DM hit and CA is the most indictable out of the Adelsons. Maaaaybe he could tie WA since it’s clear KM told him about that part of it. But even then it’s a long shot to getting WA.
The short (seconds?) July 1 call from SG's phone to HA's phone. I'm still wondering why that happened. Does not fit the calling pattern in the case. JMO.
That's a definite possibility. Good deduction!Maybe he'd seen it on Katie's phone (regular or burner?) and called the number to see who it was?
That's a definite possibility. Good deduction!
It apparently wasn't on KM's regular phone -- if it had been, it would have been brought in as evidence in the trial. JMO.Maybe he'd seen it on Katie's phone (regular or burner?) and called the number to see who it was?
Agree it could be a long shot to get Wendi unless there's evidence we are unaware of. I mean it's not like she was stupid enough to hand write checks to the woman who arranged everything.....
ETA: Regarding your theory that SG didn't know Dan Markel was Charlie's ex BIL..... Is it possible that when SG said, on the phone to Katie, "The less you know" he was being sarcastic.....because that was something she had said to him?
Grasping at straws and this might be a pipe-dream but maybe KM is the one who approached CA or WA as a solution to their "Dan" problem and the conspiracy grew from there to include mama and papa. If she is as wily as I think she might be, then I wouldn't put it past her to have some hard core concrete evidence stashed away to use against all the A's. Now would be the time to bring it out and save SG's life and shorten her stay with the state.
I absolutely get that. What I don't understand is...why the jury didn't get that.Gypsy and Razz, IMO, you are both correct about Katie’s looks. But CA didn’t care about her appearance, he selected her for her character, or lack thereof. One sociopath recognized another one, and he thought she would be suitable to do his dirty work. BTW, I think there were other unsavory jobs she completed for him.
is this why SG was crying like a baby on KM announcing she would testify when he had been stoic all during the trial??In my opinion, it looks like all of these defense attorneys are in cahoots to protect the wealthy white people who are paying all of the bills - at the expense of their clients - the poor brown people who are too blind and naive too see it. I hope I'm wrong. I want attorneys to be strong advocates for their clients - no matter how distasteful or guilty they may be - but I don't like dirty lawyering and conflicts of interest. It makes a mockery of the justice system and should be grounds for permanent disbarment. It's a disgrace.
The short (seconds?) July 1 call from SG's phone to HA's phone. I'm still wondering why that happened. Does not fit the calling pattern in the case. JMO.
Both called the numbers so all parties could have each other's numbers saved in their phones. Perhaps nobody realized those calls would be registered even if they went to voicemail and were not answered.
Good points. However, don't you think there was considerable discussion between KM and SG once it became clear law enforcement was closing in? Shortly before her arrest it was clear that she and Charlie knew they were being watched and recorded. Charlie begins speaking in very obvious code "using terms like Pot Belly Pig" to the point that KM even blurts out finally "I don't give a **** about all this ******* code ****." They begin talking only through WhatsApp and using landlines outside of their homes/offices. They both know how much jeopardy they are in so I cannot imagine KM and SG were not conferring given how imminent his own arrest was and it defies logic to think that, at this point, KM wouldn't discuss CA if only to make sure SG is on the same page. Furthermore, one night before the murder there are over 50 phone calls between KM and SG with calls to CA interspersed in between. She almost certainly was discussing the hit with him in some fashion and why a law professor in Tallahassee needed to be killed. Even if KM withheld CA's name during these conversations, if SG testifies that he knew Katie was conspiring with somebody, the evidence makes it very clear who that somebody was. SG would only need to confirm he knew somebody was going to pay for the hit via KM and that pretty much implicates the Adelsons because of the communications, calls and money -- there isn't anybody else but the Adelsons who could have been behind it.
Oh SG def found out CA was behind the hit after the bump. That is clear from the argument between him and KM and his text to her saying ‘this is btwn you and your homie, you deal with it.’ That was bc he was upset to realize CA’s involvement after the fact.
So let’s say SG cooperates and testifies. He will have to say whatever contorted truth KM told him about the DM hit prior to the murder. Then he’s gonna say again whatever truth he learned after the bump about CA’s involvement. So he will testify that as far as he knew CA wasn’t involved and then say what he learned about CA’s involvement after the bump. There’s your reasonable doubt right there! Add to that the fact that KM lied under oath. KM is already going to be a highly suspect witness for the prosecution if she cooperates. Assuming KM doesn’t have smoking gun evidence against CA outside of her testimony, these two testifying nets exactly zero!
In the scenario above, the whole thing hinges on KM’s credibility, which is shot to hell unless she brings forth a smoking gun!
Lol ...yep makes sense now. Last night I was thinking “how in the world did that poster find that blog?”Hi Dave. You found your own article online. Lol
one actor recognizes another actor, they are both skilled at that. Think about how a dentist has to do a good acting job when he announces it will be 58 thousand for a full set of dentures. It would take a good actor to do this to people in pain and then he drives off in his Lamborgini lol. She is of the same ilk, scamming her way in life to make up for her drunk druggie boyfriend who never consistently helps with bills. Kids are expensive, she has to act to make a quick buck.I absolutely get that. What I don't understand is...why the jury didn't get that.
one actor recognizes another actor, they are both skilled at that. Think about how a dentist has to do a good acting job when he announces it will be 58 thousand for a full set of dentures. It would take a good actor to do this to people in pain and then he drives off in his Lamborgini lol. She is of the same ilk, scamming her way in life to make up for her drunk druggie boyfriend who never consistently helps with bills. Kids are expensive, she has to act to make a quick buck.