FL - Derek Rosa, 13, charged as adult in stabbing death of mother Irina Garcia in her sleep, 13 Oct 2023

[Kemug]

You may find it interesting to read about Silje, a 5-year-old girl who was murdered by two 6-year-olds in Trondheim in Norway. Norway handles these things very differently from the rest of the world.

 

[Seattle1]

But for a 13 year old -
instead of punishment -
educational, therapeutic or corrective measures are applied.

But, as I said, it is in my European country.

IMO, I don't think it's as simple as age bracketing punishment.

For example, JV was only 10 when he helped murder 2 yr old James Bulger, and was released twice over the last 30 years-- first at 18, then 30, but most recently denied parole. He's never killed another child again or been violent but was returned to prison twice for being in possession of indecent images of children. Now, it's not even about punishment. I just don't think he does well outside of the prison system.

UK - James Bulger, 2, abducted & murdered, Merseyside, 12 Feb 1993

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10931411/Mother-James-Bulger-wins-historic-House-Commons-debate-inquiry-sons-murder.html

www.websleuths.com

Then there's the murder of 5 year old Logan Mwangi in Wales -- killed by his mum, her boyfriend and his 13 yr old son. I cringe at the idea this teen is eligible for release in 15 years minimum. A terrible student, an awful human. If you read what they collectively did do dearest Logan, you don't want any of them ever free to live outside of prison.

GUILTY - UK - Logan Mwangi, 5, found dead in Wales River, Bridgend, 31 July 2021 *arrests, inc. minor* #6

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64398808

www.websleuths.com

Here, 13 yr old Derek premeditated the murder of his mother. Hours earlier, he searched online for a diagram where to stick the knife in her body and questioned what size of knife to use. He showed no signs of distress or remorse hours later during his police interviews. Very disturbing. IMO, he should be feared.

 

[Rosydecember]

I am guessing it could be young girls. The ones that are not ugly always have a fan club; think of Bundy as an example.

The article above shows older ladies…. Not similar to Bundy. I would almost prefer that to be the case. This bothers me more as it doesn’t make any sense to me

 

[Sjöberg]

The article above shows older ladies…. Not similar to Bundy. I would almost prefer that to be the case. This bothers me more as it doesn’t make any sense to me

Maybe it is parents to a similar-age boy? A reaction in a way similar to the Simpsons Helen Lovejoys legendary line "won't somebody please think of the children".

 

[Seattle1]

The article above shows older ladies…. Not similar to Bundy. I would almost prefer that to be the case. This bothers me more as it doesn’t make any sense to me

In Florida especially, there seems to be a supportive following by parents and grandparents who believe another adult set Derek up. This belief is clearly w/o merit-- given the surveillance, but I think it's easier to believe the fantasy than face reality that DR was capable of such a violet, fatal attack on his mother. IMO, this seems to stem from one not grieving as the followers think one should. It's crazy.

ETA: add link

‘Justice for Derek': Support grows for Hialeah teen who confessed to fatally stabbing mother 46 times

Dozens of people wore shirts showing support Thursday for the Hialeah 13-year-old boy charged in his mother’s stabbing death.

www.nbcmiami.com

On Thursday, 13-year-old Derek Rosa appeared in court for a standard status hearing as he faces a first-degree murder charge for confessing to killing his mother with a kitchen knife.

Since his first appearance in front of a judge, Rosa’s maternal grandmother and father have shown up every time.

Today, that support grew when around a dozen mothers and grandmothers sat in the courtroom gallery wearing t-shirts stating, “he is not an adult, he is a boy,” “justice for Derek,” and “we are all Derek.”

Gladimar Lizcano, a supporter, tells NBC6 she showed up because Rosa deserves to be treated as a child.

 

[Seattle1]

More than 5400 signatures on Change.org -- Crazy!

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[Andieinsyd]

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Wow. Bit speechless, I mean on the face of it, it seems he did carry out the murder. He may have been influenced, but I think it is him in the images. MOO

 

[Sarahlou]

People are crazy, truly.

 

[neesaki]

More than 5400 signatures on Change.org -- Crazy!

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Save Derek Rosa

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O.M.G. They believe it wasn’t DR on camera. A “heavy set” figure? These people must be on something!

“In the 911 phone call there is a second voice heard behind Derek's voice, the picture taken by the baby monitor or camera in the room shows a heavy set figure hovering on top of Irina ( Derek's Mother) Supposedly this is Derek, No that's not the young man's body or weight, The Step Father has to be investigated too, He had a life insurance to gain if Irina was Unalived..”

 

[Dotta]

What is this about the second voice heard during 911 call?
It might have been his online friend talking to him with speakerphone turned on.
Or radio/TV.

Accusing stepdad by people seems silly.
I guess Police checked the alibi.

I'm afraid the boy seemed to suffer from some psychotic mental disturbance.

I hope he is being examined by psychiatrists.

JMO

 

[Kemug]

So how many killings should this lad be allowed to get away with before his supporters see the light and say "enough"?

 

[Seattle1]

What is this about the second voice heard during 911 call?
It might have been his online friend talking to him with speakerphone turned on.
Or radio/TV.

Accusing stepdad by people seems silly.
I guess Police checked the alibi.

I'm afraid the boy seemed to suffer from some psychotic mental disturbance.

I hope he is being examined by psychiatrists.

JMO

I agree. I also think something about the adolescent's mother's pregnancy, birth, and bringing home the baby triggered something here.

Also, during the 2-day hearing, there was discussion about his competency and he is being seen by mental health counselors who are overseen by a psychiatrist.

However, I'd like to think that instead of trying to get DR sent back to Miami-Dade County juvie detention, his lawyers would be more focused on his mental care and a private evaluation. JMO

 

[neesaki]

I agree. I also think something about the adolescent's mother's pregnancy, birth, and bringing home the baby triggered something here.

Also, during the 2-day hearing, there was discussion about his competency and he is being seen by mental health counselors who are overseen by a psychiatrist.

However, I'd like to think that instead of trying to get DR sent back to Miami-Dade County juvie detention, his lawyers would be more focused on his mental care and a private evaluation. JMO

I do wonder if something was going on in the home we have yet to hear of. Idk, my intuition is leading me to think something was off. Not trying to victim blame, because I’m not sure what it was. Could have been someone not actually living in the home, or not there very often. Just MO.

 

[Andieinsyd]

I think that either DR is/was open to manipulation by other parties and was put up to this act in some way, or he struggles with emotions and lack of so killed his mum in response to a wrong she committed against him.
I do find it interesting in his interview that he was very unemotional while he was telling the story, and that he was able, at 13 years old to ask for a lawyer and halt a police interview. I haven’t seen emotion from him yet - there was a headline that says he broke down in court, but as far as I could see he just put his head on his hands. So I’m going with callous, unemotional which allowed him to commit this act without really feeling much. Bless his family who are supporting him so strongly.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

I was watching the Slenderman case documentary for the first time late last night, and the affect of one of the perpetrators in her police interviews really struck me. She was later diagnosed as schizophrenic, symptomatic since the age of three. It made me think a lot about this case. I'm hesitant to go there because I know most people with schizophrenia are not violent, but I do feel that there is going to be a mental health angle explored here as the case progresses through the court.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

I do wonder if something was going on in the home we have yet to hear of. Idk, my intuition is leading me to think something was off. Not trying to victim blame, because I’m not sure what it was. Could have been someone not actually living in the home, or not there very often. Just MO.

I don't accept the popular social media angle that an adult in the home set him up. Quite the opposite -- I think DR most likely confided about his dark feeling and desires to a faceless, internet acquaintance. He was confident enough in this person that he contacted them before he called 911.

By all accounts, DR has a good, supportive, relationship with is father and his maternal grandmother, and even his step-dad. I recall his step-dad was calling both his and his mother's phone while he was talking to the 911 operator. In fact, the only concern DR seemed to have was what was going to happen to his step-dad when he came home from GA, and whether or not he would be able to enter the apartment.

No concern for his motherless baby sister or his grandmother after he murdered his mom, her daughter.

Listening to the detective who attended the victim's autopsy testify during the 2-day hearing was the best wake up call for me. DR's attack was premeditated, forceful, violent, fearless, and fatal. No question in my mind that DR wanted her dead-- and DR had no intention for her to survive. MOO

 

[Charlot123]

O.M.G. They believe it wasn’t DR on camera. A “heavy set” figure? These people must be on something!

“In the 911 phone call there is a second voice heard behind Derek's voice, the picture taken by the baby monitor or camera in the room shows a heavy set figure hovering on top of Irina ( Derek's Mother) Supposedly this is Derek, No that's not the young man's body or weight, The Step Father has to be investigated too, He had a life insurance to gain if Irina was Unalived..”

To be honest, the first second I, too, thought the figure had a potbelly, but then thought, it was a crib camera at night, probably meh quality.

 

[Charlot123]

I think that either DR is/was open to manipulation by other parties and was put up to this act in some way, or he struggles with emotions and lack of so killed his mum in response to a wrong she committed against him.
I do find it interesting in his interview that he was very unemotional while he was telling the story, and that he was able, at 13 years old to ask for a lawyer and halt a police interview. I haven’t seen emotion from him yet - there was a headline that says he broke down in court, but as far as I could see he just put his head on his hands. So I’m going with callous, unemotional which allowed him to commit this act without really feeling much. Bless his family who are supporting him so strongly.

MOO

JMO - what I saw was typical alexithymia. Derek could describe the facts, not the emotions. I don't know what he'd say if he were not allowed to go to the toilet, but I wonder if we'd hear more facts. I think emotions don't have words for him.

 

[Andieinsyd]

Interesting also that whatever his motivation for this attack on his mum, it seems he saw the baby as an innocent. Thank god he did, precious baby was so vulnerable being right there.

 

[Seattle1]

Interesting also that whatever his motivation for this attack on his mum, it seems he saw the baby as an innocent. Thank god he did, precious baby was so vulnerable being right there.

DR talked of all three dying and I think had he followed through with shooting himself, I think he would have killed the baby too.

(DR tells the 911 operator he loaded the gun and it's on the coach, ready to shoot. When he agrees he's going to surrender to police, he asks the operator if he should first unload /remove the clip from the weapon).