FL - Derek Rosa, 13, charged as adult in stabbing death of mother Irina Garcia in her sleep, 13 Oct 2023

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I wonder, Could youth, untreated ADHD, exposure to violent media, plus being manipulated by his online "friend" be "enough?"

ETA: In cases where a juvenile stabs someone that many times, people here, including me, tend to say, they must not have a conscience. However I wish society could understand this kind of behavior more.

We always have to understand, because prevention is impossible without understanding.

We don't know how his life used to be before it all happened. What we heard, straight A student, merely means that he flew under the radars. Why? Is an important question.

Exposure to violent media? For sure. If we have "suicide groups" online, I can't even imagine what other groups might exist and DR is no a leader.

Remember that killing of an intellectually disabled woman in Alaska, by the people she considered her friends, all because some idiot in Indiana promised to pay well for a movie with her death? Could be something similar.
 
Folks .. please move on from arguing over the hand on the belly. It's strictly a difference of opinion and doesn't seem too out there or untoward in this day and age. Regardless, there's no point in arguing or getting upset over the opinions of others.
Dragging this forward from way back when.

Also, there is some victim blaming going on with some of these posts, and Websleuths is victim friendly. Thanks for helping us keep it that way.

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The Evidentiary Hearings (decision on juvenile placement) on 12/14-15 were very tedious where IMO, the parties came off as the b-string team-- fortunately they had a very patient Judge.

However, at one point, the Judge called for a break but not before putting his feelings about the parties on record: "You will address the Court, (not each other).. this is not a sandbox, you are in a Court of Law," after DR's defense attorney started tit-for-tat whining at the prosecutor. o_O

From the hearing, reportedly, DR is currently attending middle school classes in detention, 3 times per week. His school sessions range from 60 to 90 minutes per scheduled school day.

Relative to the witnesses called by the Defense to support their Motion, (i.e., move DR back to the Miami-Dade Juvenile Detention facility), a PsyD contractor to the Jail testified that based on two clinical interviews of DR (about 10 mins each), she opined DR is emotionally and cognitively immature.

PsyD also made a referral for DR to be evaluated for competency. I took this to be a general requirement in the juvenile wing and not that anybody had concerns and not a Defense Motion seeking the Court Order an assessment for DR. This will likely be addressed at the next status hearing.

The PsyD witness conducted no intellectual tests, and although the State had DR's elementary and middle school records available for review and consideration, she would not opine on DR's grades, academic performance, or learning disability (ADHD).

I tend to agree that in spite of DR being a good student and getting good grades, IMO, he does present emotionally/cognitively immature --exhibiting limited attention span, problem-solving skills, or impulse control, while also unable to understand and manage his own emotions.

I see a youth who probably had all of his needs met by his mother his entire life until around 9 months ago when suddenly, DR is even being asked to ride the bus to school!

The defense excused DR not knowing/memorizing his home address as being part of the cell phone generation.

In the end, hearing the testimony of the detective who attended the autopsy of IG, reality takes a grip that regardless of his young age, this was a vicious, forceful, premeditated attack by DR on his own mother. MOO
 
I wonder, Could youth, untreated ADHD, exposure to violent media, plus being manipulated by his online "friend" be "enough?"

ETA: In cases where a juvenile stabs someone that many times, people here, including me, tend to say, they must not have a conscience. However I wish society could understand this kind of behavior more.
Yes, we tend to say that. Also with that sort of horrific attack we say the attacker must have been incredibly angry.
 
Very correct.
Oedipal complex, ADHD, peer influence, sleep deprivation, all in a boy that struggles with own budding sexuality.
Breast-feeding that is the epitome of motherhood in an adult brain, might be totally misunderstood by a very immature boy.

One would always ask, what about other families, what about peasantry and pre-contraception times, when children, essentially, would live in one room with parents? But as I have noticed, those people were total adults by sixteen. (My great-grandmother had her first child at sixteen and later that child, my grandma, was left at her sixteen in a village full of bodies of those dead from "trench fever" typhus. She took full care of her parents and two younger siblings who were ill, and saved them. Life was such that people matured fast.)

Now as it takes longer to educate a kid, no one would consider a 13-year-old close to adults, and Covid isolation, IMHO, slowed their development even more. I mentally substract two years from their biological age, maybe it is too much, but a year, for sure.
I completely agree with what you say here.
My grandmother was 17 with her first child and 45 with her 12th, my Dad, between 1917 and 1945.
Her parents lived with them also, as well as the 12 kids on and off; I don't think she ever had all 12 of them, plus her parents in the two up-two down in Battersea at the same time. She just 'matured', probably knew how to take care of herself by the age of 13.
and regarding the online, covid isolation, my youngest child had just turned 6 when the first covid lockdown started and is now coming up to 10, my teenager was 14 at the time, and it was a hard time. All they had for peers were online. They have both been affected in different ways.
So much has changed in the world in four years. For kids, 8 -18, the past four years have been crazy for their developing minds.

I know this may sound like I am making excuses for him, but I am not. What he has done is beyond any words I just tried to come up with, and I feel he should be held responsible, as would any adult son who killed their mother. He knows what he did was wrong. I am just giving my thoughts and observations of how my own children (and children of friends) have coped within that time.

And the breastfeeding thing, I think he was angry with her for having her breast out freely. Not just freely but happily, and doing what every mother has done since the dawn of time. But to a essentially isolated, maybe mollycoddled, obviously much loved 13 year old boy, it was too much.
 
I have a 13 year old son and asked him our address, confident he would know it. Nope - he knows the street name but not the number. I guess it’s something I never thought to teach him (though his 11 year old brother does know his address). He by no means has any learning disability, but he does have ADHD. Maybe that is why he can’t retain it when I know he’s heard it a million times.

All this to say, him not knowing his address may not have anything to do with his intellectual capabilities.
I am 47 and was diagnosed with ADHD just 18 months ago. I have three children with ADHD, and we all have an issue with some 'simple' tasks.

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ASD comes in so many different forms in many different people, but they don't kill other people.
It is not an excuse, more just one contribution to many factors.
JMO. MOO.
 
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By Christian Colón, Brian Hamacher and NBC6 • Published 3 hours ago •Updated 54 mins ago​

Thursday, a judge ordered state attorneys to immediately hand over to Rosa's attorneys unredacted 911 calls that Rosa made the day of the murder. The teen's attorney made the request for those calls which include Rosa confessing to stabbing his mother.

A tentative trial date was scheduled for February 26.
 
ETA: I tried to Google when “Destra-Sinistra” concept became important, and couldn’t, but came across a very interesting article indicating that the percentage of lefties was lowest in Victorian time (3%) and since then, was growing until it reached asymptote by 1960es. That was based on a big study with responders. The authors are not sure that low percentage of the “lefties” among respondents in their 80es was not due to the effect of WWI; lefties men has a significantly higher ratio of perishing as all weapons were made for right-handed men at that time.
My grandfather, who was born in New York in 1896 and would have been learning to write in the first years of the new century, was inclined to be left-handed, but was not permitted to be. I believe I was told his left hand was physically held or strapped down so he couldn't use it to write, and he eventually developed beautiful penmanship writing with his right hand.

And another friend who was raised in San Francisco in the mid-1950s tells me he too was pressured to not use his left hand to write, despite that being his natural inclination! I was astounded to hear that the practice was still taking place at that time. I myself learned to write in California in about 1966-7 and no one ever, that I recall, tried to dissuade my sinister tendencies... (hehehe)

My point being, I'm not sure that any accurate statistics were kept in the early 1900s about how many natural leftys there might have been.
 
My grandfather, who was born in New York in 1896 and would have been learning to write in the first years of the new century, was inclined to be left-handed, but was not permitted to be. I believe I was told his left hand was physically held or strapped down so he couldn't use it to write, and he eventually developed beautiful penmanship writing with his right hand.

And another friend who was raised in San Francisco in the mid-1950s tells me he too was pressured to not use his left hand to write, despite that being his natural inclination! I was astounded to hear that the practice was still taking place at that time. I myself learned to write in California in about 1966-7 and no one ever, that I recall, tried to dissuade my sinister tendencies... (hehehe)

My point being, I'm not sure that any accurate statistics were kept in the early 1900s about how many natural leftys there might have been.

This, too, was taken into account. And no earlier statistics because the first came from this study, that in itself was the result of a wide-range survey in a magazine; the original idea was to compare the olfactory abilities of righties vs lefties! (There are probably none, but the researchers got 1.3 mln responders.)
One more theory that might explain the societal pressure to turn all lefties into righties might be explained by the Industrial Revolution. Same thing, machinery was not adapted for lefties, so they may have not been as productive; hence, the parents of future workers would start retraining their kids early, so it may have been less about penmanship and more about the daily production rate.
But nowadays, when “dexterity” may be less important than ability to code, maybe it is unsurprising that kids can’t learn L from R?
 
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By Christian Colón, Brian Hamacher and NBC6 • Published 3 hours ago •Updated 54 mins ago​

Thursday, a judge ordered state attorneys to immediately hand over to Rosa's attorneys unredacted 911 calls that Rosa made the day of the murder. The teen's attorney made the request for those calls which include Rosa confessing to stabbing his mother.

A tentative trial date was scheduled for February 26.

The MSM reads like this 911 audio request was unknown but the Motions/Status hearing for Thursday, 12/28, was previously set on 12/19. Good to see a trial date was set.

 

12/28/23

Newly obtained police body camera footage reveals how a teenager stabbed his mother to death inside their Hialeah home.

The release comes as 13-year-old Derek Rosa went before a judge Thursday for another court appearance.

In the nearly eight-minute video, Rosa confesses to detectives how he stabbed his mother, Irina Garcia, back in October. Portions of the audio were redacted by officials.
 

12/28/23

Dayliset Rielo, an attorney representing Rosa says the legal team is not affiliated to these support groups.

“High profile cases always attract a kind of traffic. Some good. Some bad. There is always that concern,” said Rielo.

Rielo says they are currently waiting for state attorneys to hand over some evidence such as an unredacted version of the 911 call Rosa made.

A judge also ordered for Metrowest to provide biweekly updates on Rosa’s activity logs such as school and recreation.

“He is supposed to be checked on every 10 minutes and they are supposed to document the same. There was some failure to do that and we found that and the judge wants to see that MetroWest is complying,” said Rielo.

ETA:

DR stops the interview short of telling officers "why" he killed his mother -- asking to go to the restroom. When he returned, he asked for a lawyer, and never answered the question why he killed his mother.
 
In the newly released police interrogation video of DR, he's wearing a dark colored shirt and tells police he is wearing the same clothing he wore during the murder. His shirt in the police station is also consistent with the shirt in his selfie sent to his gaming friend after committing the murder.
However, viewing the baby-cam video of DR allegedly standing over his mother in her bed (see DM link below), in the image of DR here, he does not appear to be wearing the same dark shirt. Not sure if he's even wearing a shirt?? Strange... JMO


 

12/28/23

Dayliset Rielo, an attorney representing Rosa says the legal team is not affiliated to these support groups.

“High profile cases always attract a kind of traffic. Some good. Some bad. There is always that concern,” said Rielo.

Rielo says they are currently waiting for state attorneys to hand over some evidence such as an unredacted version of the 911 call Rosa made.

A judge also ordered for Metrowest to provide biweekly updates on Rosa’s activity logs such as school and recreation.

“He is supposed to be checked on every 10 minutes and they are supposed to document the same. There was some failure to do that and we found that and the judge wants to see that MetroWest is complying,” said Rielo.

ETA:

DR stops the interview short of telling officers "why" he killed his mother -- asking to go to the restroom. When he returned, he asked for a lawyer, and never answered the question why he killed his mother.

Did he have a cellphone on him? Did anyone check if he had a second one? (Given that he asked the operator, an adult, "is it bad?", I would not be surprised if he conversed with someone on the phone when he went to the restroom.)
 
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Hmmm...
It is interesting that his maternal grandmother is supporting him.

As for his age - in my country the age when a minor is treated as an adult is 17.

A minor who is over 17 years of age and has committed a crime may be brought to justice as an adult.
There are also situations where the age limit for this responsibility will be even lower.
The regulations specify cases in which a person over 15 years of age may be held liable for a crime.

But for a 13 year old -
instead of punishment -
educational, therapeutic or corrective measures are applied.

But, as I said, it is in my European country.

JMO
 
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People who don’t have enough sense, and too much time on their hands ?

Especially given that they doubtfully know anything more about the case than the rest of us, if that much. JMO
I am guessing it could be young girls. The ones that are not ugly always have a fan club; think of Bundy as an example.
 

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