FL - Derek Rosa, 13, charged as adult in stabbing death of mother Irina Garcia in her sleep, 13 Oct 2023

[iamshadow21]

It's interesting that he was originally reported to be an "honor student," (page 1 of thread, 5th post) and now it's alleged he has a learning disability, etc.

I wonder about his grades, behavior at school, and behavior at home. Surely there were red flags waving, least at home.

One doesn't rule out the other. I went to a selective high school, and I had learning disabilities (undiagnosed). My best friend there had severe dyslexia. A kid in a younger grade had what was then called 'classic autism', complete with echolalia and regular meltdowns. People sometimes assume learning disabilities implies an intellectual disability, but it doesn't, necessarily.

MOO

 

[Charlot123]

^^rsbm

My recollection from the Motions hearing is consistent with the following MSM and not as attributed to Dr. Bettica:

Hialeah teen accused in mother’s fatal stabbing to remain at juvenile wing of adult facility, judge says - WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale

MIAMI (WSVN) - A judge has reached a decision as to whether or not a 13-year-old boy accused of killing his own mother in their<a class="excerpt-read-more"...

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Hersch kept questioning some of the witnesses for the defense and the relevance of the information as it pertains to Rosa.

“The problem the state has is, one, if we believe these records, nobody ever diagnosed this young man with autism ever before, except someone in the jail thought, ‘Oh, gee, I think he has autism,’ but I don’t think you’ve done the testing for that, have you, doctor?” Hersch said.

“No, I have not, sir,” the psychiatrist replied.

“So you’re relying upon a passage by somebody in the jail that thinks he has autism, but no records at any time within his 13 years where he’s been diagnosed with autism?” said the judge.

Here I would disagree with the judge. I don't know about Cubans in FL, never stayed in FL long enough, but about other racial minorities, I always wondered if autism might be diagnosed later or simply missed especially if the doctor belongs to another group. Humans are trained in diversity nowadays, but unless you live among a certain ethnic group, you tend to assume too much with limited factual knowledge. Hence, if a boy is quiet and keeps silent, it might be interpreted as "machismo" while in effect it is shyness, etc. It is when observance is there, but interpretation lags behind. I wonder what studies tell us.

ETA: here. Exactly what I knew already. The rate of diagnosis of autism in African-Americans is the same in other groups, but it is diagnosed later in life.

Autism and the African American community - PubMed

It is estimated that autism spectrum disorders (ASD) affect 1 in 500 live births per year. However, due to varying techniques for diagnosis and treatment, the disability remains the subject of debate. African Americans tend to suffer disproportionate rates of disability and disease when compared...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

the same might apply to other ethnic minorities. So not being diagnosed, doesn't mean, not having it.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

State School in a big city.
You can visit us
They will welcome you using good English!

You teach in the UK, right?
I actually wonder how the teenage population currently compares across various countries in terms of maturity, responsibility, self-reliance, etc.

One doesn't rule out the other

I agree that having a specific learning disability doesn't mean someone can't be an honor student. You can study hard or learn to compensate.

But I wonder about this case. He's an honor student yet doesn't know his address, allegedly has untreated ADHD, lacks impulse control, is doing who knows what on the Internet for who knows how many hours a day, yet he's studious with high grades? I'm just skeptical.

The kids I personally know who really lack impulse control start to struggle academically around age 11/12 when the work gets harder. But that's JMO/IMO.

 

[Dotta]

You teach in the UK, right?
I actually wonder how the teenage population compares across various countries in terms of maturity, responsibility, self-reliance, etc.



I agree that having a specific learning disability doesn't mean someone can't be an honor student. You can study hard or learn to compensate.

But I wonder about this case. He's an honor student yet doesn't know his address, allegedly has untreated ADHD, lacks impulse control, is doing who knows what on the Internet for who knows how many hours a day, yet he's studious with high grades? I'm just skeptical.

The kids I personally know who really lack impulse control start to struggle academically around age 11/12 when the work gets harder. But that's JMO/IMO.

I don't live in the UK.
I live in Eastern/Central Europe I'm Polish.

Kids with autism do well at school, but they get a lot of help from school counsellor and are graded according to psychologists' recommendations.

Some are assisted by an additional teacher during lessons.

 

[katydid23]

It's interesting that he was originally reported to be an "honor student," (page 1 of thread, 5th post) and now it's alleged he has a learning disability, etc.

I wonder about his grades, behavior at school, and behavior at home. Surely there were red flags waving, least at home.

Exactly! First reports were he was an 'honour student', very helpful and social ---and everyone was in disbelief because he was such a 'good kid. '

I'm wondering what the truth of the situation is? Not knowing his address, at 13, is surprising. He was not very observant.

I think most honour students know their address. My 7 yr old granddaughter has known hers for a couple of years already.

Googling those questions about 'where to stab' someone reveals that he was contemplating this for awhile. It wasn't as simple as he described -that he just woke up, grabbed a knife and went and killed mom. I think he considered it for quite awhile.

He had the gun loaded and ready to go on the couch, for after the stabbing. So WHY stab mom 40 times instead of just shooting quickly and getting it over with? The gun was right there and ready to go. It seems like he wanted to do it the more intense, personal and brutal way for some reason. So I think he had a lot of anger and resentment built up. Sadly.

 

[Seattle1]

Oh, but I was an adult with the family who already had established life in two countries. And yet I remember refusing to visit even the Seattle library because it was incomparable to Boston public library. "Not my coast, not my state", so I didn't care about the address out of spite.

^^rsbm

Oh, @Charlot123 -- I know your pain of the Boston public library compared to Seattle, and then the ground broke behind my office for the new Bellevue public library. It was like a personal gift! However, an autumn walk to the library here is still no comparison.

 

[katydid23]

Look what I stumbled upon:
[Pink Knives]---from Walmart

 

[Seattle1]

Chilling crime scene photos released in case of 13-year-old accused of mom's murder in Hialeah

The Miami-Dade State Attorney’s Office has released photos of the crime scene where a 13-year-old boy was accused of stabbing his mother to death in Hialeah.

www.nbcmiami.com

12/4/23

Rosa, an 8th grader at iMater Academy in Hialeah, was arrested on a murder charge in the Oct. 12 killing of his mother. He's being charged as an adult and is currently being held at the Metro West Detention Center.

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Appears the Academy has 3 tiers of Honor Roll, and the Code of Student Conduct also adopts treating felony acts as if performed by an adult.

Grade 8 Curriculum:

https://ehandbooks.dadeschools.net/policies/29.pdf

Grade 8 would be at upper classmen of the middle school (grades 6, 7, 8), and I find it hard to believe the jail would be first to diagnose DR as learning disabled.

 

[Seattle1]

So disturbing. I really want to know how DR responded to the 911 operator's question of why he killed his mother. It does not appear to be a lengthy response from the redacted recording.

Compilation of MSM earlier media reports:

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7306875907527036206

ETA: Detective describes DR as apologetic, very respectful, and did not provide a reason why.

 

[Sjöberg]

Could the boy have been used as a pawn? I don't think it's likely, but I can see how an ex might be unhappy about a new life (new man, new baby) or how a new partner might regret the relationship (statistically, most babies are not planned), there might also be other such people in her life that we know nothing about. I don't think it's likely, but as he is a young kid, he'd be easier to manipulate, especially by someone in the family.

Something to keep in mind that just because he might look older (probably includes racial bias), it does not mean that his brain is any older than 13. That's a kid, thinking like a kid - even though they might fool you in a familiar and structured environment. Let's just say that my actual diaries from that age are embarrassing.

 

[Seattle1]

Could the boy have been used as a pawn? I don't think it's likely, but I can see how an ex might be unhappy about a new life (new man, new baby) or how a new partner might regret the relationship (statistically, most babies are not planned), there might also be other such people in her life that we know nothing about. I don't think it's likely, but as he is a young kid, he'd be easier to manipulate, especially by someone in the family.

Something to keep in mind that just because he might look older (probably includes racial bias), it does not mean that his brain is any older than 13. That's a kid, thinking like a kid - even though they might fool you in a familiar and structured environment. Let's just say that my actual diaries from that age are embarrassing.

IMO, that seems to be the consensus from the Miami area-- DR manipulated to murder his mother because he's a minor whereas the party controlling the puppet strings could be sentenced to death. I'm appalled they don't believe the video from the bedroom is DR.

 

[Sjöberg]

I'm appalled they don't believe the video from the bedroom is DR.

How is it even possible to believe it's not him in the video? Wow. I think we can be pretty sure of that, imo.

I also think it is more likely that the kid had his own motives (that may or may not have included showing off to the internet friends), but as I've seen kids manipulated all kinds of ways if the parents/step-parents have their own issues, I just felt that this opinion has to be considered.

 

[iluvmua]

I don't think he is being used as a pawn.

He clearly wanted his mother dead for some reason.

Maybe the motive won't come out until trial.

Maybe he wanted his mother to suffer with each stabbing.

Jmo

 

[Ontario Mom]

I don't think he is being used as a pawn.

He clearly wanted his mother dead for some reason.

Maybe the motive won't come out until trial.

Maybe he wanted his mother to suffer with each stabbing.

Jmo

I haven't been able to read every article so I don't know if it's been pursued, but I have to wonder what role the social media "friend" played in this horrific crime - if any.

What was the content of the conversations with this friend in the days leading up to the murder?
What was the conversation like moments prior, and then after he sent the pics of what he'd done?

I wonder if this was some sort of twisted way of proving something to someone he met online?

 

[Chimera]

By all accounts I've read -- the entire family have referred to DR as a 'good boy,' and were greatly opposed him being tried as an adult.

DR's bio dad (Jose- blue shirt) is seen above in Court waving/blowing DR a kiss. At DR's first appearance, Jose told the Court he was career military and served 20+ years, and DR also dreamed of serving his country. His maternal grandmother also spoke --asking the Court to release him on house arrest. She's seen in the photo at the end of the bench with her hands clutched together.

Miami Spanish news very early inferred Ramos extended Cuban family were on hand to care for the infant. DR also told the 911 operator police did not need to disturb the infant because she had family that would care for her.

Bbm.
Thanks for the information.
Interesting !

Re. first bolded : Sounds like DR behaved himself tolerably well -- up until the attack ?
So, maybe no red flags.

Although to his mom and stepdad only, there may have been signs something was wrong.
Wonder what they (DR's bio-family) say now ??

Re. second bolded : Well, that's prob. not going to happen.

Thankful the baby has extended family !
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

I know someone who’s been in jail in my state since Covid, and they are definitely not allowed to have computer access or cell phones. I guess it must vary from state to state.

Possibly more privileges due to DR's age ?
Or, just the general policy there in the prison.

My .02 is that DR can learn with schoolbooks and use notebooks for writing.
Take away the cell phone , tablet, any other electronics -- and let him use the jailhouse phone like everyone else.
He's prob. living it up and playing games in his spare time.
So what if he's not allowed out of his cell very much ?
Being in prison for murder isn't supposed to be pleasant.
Since it sounds like he was 24/7 protection it's an extra nuisance for the guards to let him out for whatever.
He's (imo) quite comfortable playing games on his phone or tablet.

I'm incensed and appalled at the hideous manner of this mother's death.
Prolonged, painful, and brutal, and I'm betting she thought of her baby the most as she bled out.
It's ghastly.
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

It's interesting that he was originally reported to be an "honor student," (page 1 of thread, 5th post) and now it's alleged he has a learning disability, etc.

I wonder about his grades, behavior at school, and behavior at home. Surely there were red flags waving, least at home.

Bbm.
Thanks for referencing the post.
Good points !

I'm thinking the defense is going to work that angle a lot.
Plus it sounds like his family wants house arrest and no jail time ?
They're very forgiving, and I think it speaks well of their kindness to him.
This does not mean I think he shouldn't face consequences.
Omo.

 

[Dotta]

Bbm.
Thanks for the information.
Interesting !

Re. first bolded : Sounds like DR behaved himself tolerably well -- up until the attack ?
So, maybe no red flags.

Although to his mom and stepdad only, there may have been signs something was wrong.
Wonder what they (DR's bio-family) say now ??

Re. second bolded : Well, that's prob. not going to happen.

Thankful the baby has extended family !
Omo.

But what does it mean
"good boy"?

Does it mean he was spending hours in his room playing games quietly?
Not hanging out with friends?
Not creating any problems?

13 year olds are usually rebellious, they argue with parents.
For a teenager, rebellion usually has positive connotations, while parents often associate it with something negative that simply
"needs to be endured".

But rebellion is developmental regularity.

At this stage, young people mature and become interested in emotional relationships.
Friends play an increasingly important role in a teenager's life.

Does being a "good boy" according to family mean being quiet, meek, inhibited, not hanging out with friends, staying all time at home?

JMO

 

[neesaki]

Look what I stumbled upon:
[Pink Knives]---from Walmart
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I looked for the knife/knives like the one shown in the evidence photo but ran out of time and never found it. If you notice it has silver on the end of the handle, but not at top of the handle.

 

[Charlot123]

You teach in the UK, right?
I actually wonder how the teenage population currently compares across various countries in terms of maturity, responsibility, self-reliance, etc.



I agree that having a specific learning disability doesn't mean someone can't be an honor student. You can study hard or learn to compensate.

But I wonder about this case. He's an honor student yet doesn't know his address, allegedly has untreated ADHD, lacks impulse control, is doing who knows what on the Internet for who knows how many hours a day, yet he's studious with high grades? I'm just skeptical.

The kids I personally know who really lack impulse control start to struggle academically around age 11/12 when the work gets harder. But that's JMO/IMO.

Not necessarily. Some can still study if they are smart but all after school problems become a problem because they are so hyperactive.
My question is, did he have to change school when his mom got married? Did he fit into a new school?