FL - Derek Rosa, 13, charged as adult in stabbing death of mother Irina Garcia in her sleep, 13 Oct 2023

[Charlot123]

I am always thinking of missing some information about the case, you know? We either doesn’t know a lot about his situation, or he chose not to explain. I am even wondering if the school in his area were in complete lockout during Covid and that emotionally he is less, not more mature, than expected. All I can say is that the case sounds scary, there is no additional information and the photos look awkward.

 

[nao]

IMO, no, because he was calm right afterwards.

Moo..I did not mean actual roid rage. More like a medical imbalance hormone issue.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7312628210343169323

 

[Seattle1]

DR called 911 around 11:30 pm and the call with the operator lasts about 17 minutes or until LE arrived at the scene at start knocking at the door.

Given the hour reported here, I doubt his statement to detectives that he 'woke up...grabbed a kitchen knife...and went to her room,' is truthful.

Hialeah police release 911 call after they say 13-year-old fatally stabbed mother​

Oct 24, 2023
Police released audio Tuesday of a 911 call placed by a Hialeah 13-year-old moments after they said he fatally stabbed his mother.

 

[Sarahlou]

DR called 911 around 11:30 pm and the call with the operator lasts about 17 minutes or until LE arrived at the scene at start knocking at the door.

Given the hour reported here, I doubt his statement to detectives that he 'woke up...grabbed a kitchen knife...and went to her room,' is truthful.

Hialeah police release 911 call after they say 13-year-old fatally stabbed mother​

Oct 24, 2023
Police released audio Tuesday of a 911 call placed by a Hialeah 13-year-old moments after they said he fatally stabbed his mother.

It surprised me that a 13 yr old didn't know his address. Some of the things he asked really highlight his young age/immaturity. I'd like to read someone's analysis of that call.

 

[iusedtofloat]

Some people are born without souls. I'm convinced. They're good at mimicking human emotion but do not understand it. I wouldn't be surprised to learn he tried to hurt the baby when they first came home, or a pet, etc.

 

[Seattle1]

I found my personal notes while observing the live Motions hearing last Thurs/Friday to determine whether or not to move DR to juvenile detention (or leave him housed at to Metro West Detention Center):

• Baby sister was asleep in the same room as the mother, and did not wake up.
• DR also asked 911 operator what to do if baby wakes up.
• Mom has many purses..(???)
• Told operator he has family that can come take care of the baby, not police.
• Told operator step dad (named) owns two guns -- a Glock and a Baretta.
• Glock is with the truck driver
• Baretta weapon is on the couch, DR loaded the gun because he was going to kill everybody.
• DR pulled back the slide but changed his mind about killing himself and his sister.
• Gun is still on the couch, ready to fire.
• Told operator he's OK, not injured, only sad because his mother is dead.
• DR looked for mail to identify his home address -- his idea, operator didn't need to suggest this.
• DR afraid police were going to kill him -- asked if he should unload the Baretta.
• DR walked outside of the apartment and surrendered to police as instructed.
• Metro West adult detention recently opened a juvenile wing in Oct -- DR is housed in this wing.
• Jail teachers suggested DR has a learning disability.
• No prior medical history that DR diagnosed with autism, and no jail record of any tests given to diagnose autism, per psychiatrist giving testimony.
• Allegations of autism is hearsay by the defense.
• Defense argues DR needs eyeglasses for school work-- not being provided at Metro West but provided at juvenile detention.
• Officer (Wimbs) from Metro West testified DR is in protective custody, has access to tablet, cellphone, commissary, and is flourishing. No inhuman treatment/conditions.
• Confirmed DR has a guard outside his cell 24/7-- he is heavily protected.

My notes from live hearing are MOO

 

[Seattle1]

It surprised me that a 13 yr old didn't know his address. Some of the things he asked really highlight his young age/immaturity. I'd like to read someone's analysis of that call.

In my personal notes from the live hearing, I noted that he suggested to the operator that he could look for mail addressed to his step-dad the apartment, and was soon able to provide the address to the apartment to the 911 operator. DR suggested this w/o being prompted.

 

[Seattle1]

Some people are born without souls. I'm convinced. They're good at mimicking human emotion but do not understand it. I wouldn't be surprised to learn he tried to hurt the baby when they first came home, or a pet, etc.

Given DR's age, and the fact this was a very personal murder (i.e., stabbing the victim 46 times) occurred so soon after the baby born, I think the new sibling was a factor.

IMO, DR was most likely enraged that his mom was no longer able to dedicate all of her time to meeting only his needs. I also believe he'd been spending too much time online and knew where to find chats/forums of similar mind.

DR told the 911 operator he shared photos with an "online friend" (individual with a sreen-name), didn't know his real name. I think the images were sent either to brag or seeking approval, they certainly were not sent to request first aid. MOO

 

[Dotta]

In my personal notes from the live hearing, I noted that he suggested to the operator that he could look for mail addressed to his step-dad the apartment, and was soon able to provide the address to the apartment to the 911 operator. DR suggested this w/o being prompted.

His not knowing his address left me dumbstruck.
6/7 year old kids in the school I work know their addresses perfectly.

I believe jail teachers who suggested learning disability of some kind.

Absolutely there is something not right.
How come it was not noticed before?

As for other strange questions he asked - maybe he was in some kind of trance?

This is a psychiatric case IMO.

My heart breaks for the motherless baby girl
What a tragedy.

JMO

 

[Chimera]

I found my personal notes while observing the live Motions hearing last Thurs/Friday to determine whether or not to move DR to juvenile detention (or leave him housed at to Metro West Detention Center):

• Baby sister was asleep in the same room as the mother, and did not wake up.
• DR also asked 911 operator what to do if baby wakes up.
• Mom has many purses..(???)
• Told operator he has family that can come take care of the baby, not police.
• Told operator step dad (named) owns two guns -- a Glock and a Baretta.
• Glock is with the truck driver
• Baretta weapon is on the couch, DR loaded the gun because he was going to kill everybody.
• DR pulled back the slide but changed his mind about killing himself and his sister.
• Gun is still on the couch, ready to fire.
• Told operator he's OK, not injured, only sad because his mother is dead.
• DR looked for mail to identify his home address -- his idea, operator didn't need to suggest this.
• DR afraid police were going to kill him -- asked if he should unload the Baretta.
• DR walked outside of the apartment and surrendered to police as instructed.
• Metro West adult detention recently opened a juvenile wing in Oct -- DR is housed in this wing.
• Jail teachers suggested DR has a learning disability.
• No prior medical history that DR diagnosed with autism, and no jail record of any tests given to diagnose autism, per psychiatrist giving testimony.
• Allegations of autism is hearsay by the defense.
• Defense argues DR needs eyeglasses for school work-- not being provided at Metro West but provided at juvenile detention.
• Officer (Wimbs) from Metro West testified DR is in protective custody, has access to tablet, cellphone, commissary, and is flourishing. No inhuman treatment/conditions.
• Confirmed DR has a guard outside his cell 24/7-- he is heavily protected.

My notes from live hearing are MOO

Bolding mine.
I totally disagree with the murderer having these amenities.
Omo.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I can't help but think of the "Slenderman" killing, particularly in regard to teens getting into a fictional mindset where real-world boundaries of right and wrong don't apply.

I wonder if DR expressed his complaints about his mom in some online group only to be encouraged to "get rid of her" or "she needs to pay" or similar extreme and egging-on type comments from the online buddies.

I think about how hard it might be for a kid to resist actually being *dared* to do something extreme, with their thinking off in that fictional no-rules, video-game type world.

All MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Bolding mine.
I totally disagree with the murderer having these amenities.
Omo.

Why would a guard (Wimb) from Metro West Detention be willing to perjure himself in court by testifying DR had access to a cellphone and computer if not true? This makes no sense to me.

In my notes, to be clear, I did not mean to imply the juvenile being held in protective custody had unlimited access to a cell phone or computer but he obviously attends school online and makes contact with his family via computer/tablet, and cell phone provided to him by the jail.
IMO, each pretty much became standard in jail/prison/detention centers across the country as a result of COVID19.

 

[Seattle1]

Judge denies bid to transfer Derek Rosa back to juvie after being charged in mom’s murder

A Miami-Dade County judge is expected to decide Friday whether Derek Rosa, 13, who is accused of killing his mother, Irina Garcia, 39, in October will be transferred back to juvenile detention.

www.local10.com

Detectives also said Rosa told police in a confession that he called his mother “maricona,” a gay slur in Spanish, just before he stabbed her.

Corporal Cyrim Wimbs, a corrections officer from the Metro West Detention Center, testified that Rosa is under protective custody and is “flourishing.”

The Department of Corrections said they are always watching Rosa because he’s considered a high-profile inmate. The teen is kept alone in a cell with a frosted window with no direct view outside.

While in court Thursday, Wimbs testified that Rosa is able to regularly speak with his family and is allowed to have minimal interaction with one inmate. He also said that Rosa was allowed to play basketball and football with the other inmate.

He also said Rosa is constantly monitored by mental health specialists who look for red flags.

Dr. Gina Bettica, a psychologist with Jackson Health System’s Correctional Health Services, said Rosa has ADHD and that another doctor tested him on the autism spectrum.** She also testified that Rosa was suicidal when he was first arrested.

ETA: ** This as attributed to Dr. Bettica is not my recollection from listening to the live hearing.

 

[Seattle1]

Dr. Gina Bettica, a psychologist with Jackson Health System’s Correctional Health Services, said Rosa has ADHD and that another doctor tested him on the autism spectrum.** She also testified that Rosa was suicidal when he was first arrested.

^^rsbm

My recollection from the Motions hearing is consistent with the following MSM and not as attributed to Dr. Bettica:

Hialeah teen accused in mother’s fatal stabbing to remain at juvenile wing of adult facility, judge says - WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale

MIAMI (WSVN) - A judge has reached a decision as to whether or not a 13-year-old boy accused of killing his own mother in their<a class="excerpt-read-more"...

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Hersch kept questioning some of the witnesses for the defense and the relevance of the information as it pertains to Rosa.

“The problem the state has is, one, if we believe these records, nobody ever diagnosed this young man with autism ever before, except someone in the jail thought, ‘Oh, gee, I think he has autism,’ but I don’t think you’ve done the testing for that, have you, doctor?” Hersch said.

“No, I have not, sir,” the psychiatrist replied.

“So you’re relying upon a passage by somebody in the jail that thinks he has autism, but no records at any time within his 13 years where he’s been diagnosed with autism?” said the judge.

 

[Kemug]

Not that autism excuses murder anyway.

 

[Seattle1]

Detectives also said Rosa told police in a confession that he called his mother “maricona,” a gay slur in Spanish, just before he stabbed her.

^^rsbm

I was thinking back to college spring break in Mexico where I thought the slur word was 'mariposa' which in Spanish means butterfly. I was obviously wrong.

maricona - Spanish English Dictionary​

Tureng
https://tureng.com › spanish-english › maricona


maricona [f] SV CR, man bag. Colloquial. 7, Colloquial, maricona [f] derog. female homosexual. 8, Colloquial, maricona [f] derog. lesbian. 9, Colloquial ...

 

[Seattle1]

Not that autism excuses murder anyway.

IMO, as being used here at the Motions hearing-- it was right up there with blaming reading eyeglasses as the reason why DR should be returned to the Miami juvenile detention center.

ETA: add link

In comparison to being locked up 20+ hours/day where his door is frosted and he can't see out, I can see why Miami-Dade Juvenile Detention Center would be preferred.


A typical day in secure detention would involve hygiene, meals, school, structured physical and educational activities, and court appearance as scheduled. The average length of stay in secure detention is approximately 15 days.

Please contact the Superintendent if interested in donating time and/or resources to enhance detention program activities.

Note: Parents, grandparents, and legal guardians are approved visitors. Others may only visit if so ordered by the court or specifically approved by the superintendent or designee. Legal counsel, probation, law enforcement and clergy and other professionals may visit detainees as necessary, but are subject to the same requirements regarding signing-in and contraband. All visitors must have a photo ID.

Miami Dade Regional Juvenile Detention Center

www.djj.state.fl.us

 

[Chimera]

Why would a guard (Wimb) from Metro West Detention be willing to perjure himself in court by testifying DR had access to a cellphone and computer if not true? This makes no sense to me.

In my notes, to be clear, I did not mean to imply the juvenile being held in protective custody had unlimited access to a cell phone or computer but he obviously attends school online and makes contact with his family via computer/tablet, and cell phone provided to him by the jail.
IMO, each pretty much became standard in jail/prison/detention centers across the country as a result of COVID19.

Emphasis mine.
I wasn't implying that the guard was withholding information -- if that's what you mean by the bolded ??
Just that I disagree with their policies.

That being said .....
If they are closely monitoring and restricting random access, then the prison staff must think it's fine.
Maybe if DR is chatting with friends -- he may shed more light on the murder ?

The comment I made is my opinion only, but without the foresight of knowing what is allowed in prisons these days, vs. what is not.
True about Covid changing things !
Omo.

 

[Seattle1]

When I think of juvenile detention, I think of Joshua, 13 -- who became physical with his mother and was taken from the family home at his mother's request. Reportedly, Joshua had anger issues-- especially if he perceived his sister received more attention.

I don't think of a teen who violently stabbed his mother to death more than 40 times, as appropriate for a juvenile detention center. Also, juvenile detention centers average 2 week stays (before released home and/or placement), and not months awaiting a criminal trail.

The case study here is from 1999 but had a happy ending for the juvenile who reportedly never had trouble again, and went on to to become a good husband and father.

Life Inside Juvenile Detention | Full Documentary Josh's Story​

Jan 30, 2022
This video from our archive is one of the very first stories we ever filmed. It introduced us to the inner workings of juvenile court and the many ways teens and families end up in the juvenile system. This is the story of Josh and his family -- a family unsure of what to do when Josh's anger at home ultimately led to a fight that caused his mom to call police.

From his initial juvenile court hearing to his time in a facility while he awaited his final court hearing to the judge's ultimate ruling on his case, we saw the complexities of family turmoil and the emotions teens go through when they're dealing with multiple issues at home.

A lot has changed in the way cases are handled in juvenile courts since the time of this filming. States like Indiana now have family mediation sessions to alleviate the reliance on placement facilities.

Update: After a year in placement, Josh was reunited with his family and they never had another experience with the juvenile system. He had a few struggles along the way but we learned he is now doing well and is a good father and husband.