FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[rsd1200]

Yes it is sad.

But if he had said he killed his wife and baby because the voices in his head made him do it, would we all be as sympathetic right now? Wouldn't we still hold him accountable for his actions?

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If it had played out much the same way, with him trying to seek help, and apparently not receiving it, then yes, I'd feel horrible for the lives lost, and his life ruined, b/c of his mental condition. From what I've understood, he's not under any medical care. He's been winging it alone with his voices, and possibly other diagnosis we're unaware of. The mental health care in this country, for vets, and civilians, is sorely lacking. I may be wrong, he may have been on meds, and been getting great mental health care, but it doesn't seem that way. It seems that ES had, in that moment, completely lost touch w/reality. The voices won.

 

[drjones]

It is so sad that we say to support troops, but they come back and commit acts of violence or commit suicide.

We are more than willimg to put them in harm's way, but then forget them when they return

it is almost as if we shouldn't blindly support or believe anyone because of their position..

 

[NCTeacher]

This times a million. We let these young men and women serve us, we train them to identify enemies and to be in a constant state of hypervigiliance. Then we print off a piece of paper, send them home, make them deal with a confusing and often frustrating systemvto get help. Gee, I wonder why many of them struggle so? It's pathetic. IMO, they should be able to walk into any doctors office in this country and have their bill paid.

I completely agree. That is, the very LEAST we could do for their sacrifice.

 

[CARIIS]

[h=2]A look at high profile mass shootings carried out by veterans and active duty soldiers over the past 25 years[/h]
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/multimedia/Chronology-Veteran-Mass-Shootings-409929725.html

These folks just confirmed that he only checked a gun -- that is it

thats messed up

use some common sense airport people - there would have to be why someone would not carry on something that weighs 8 onces.

And then his bag had to be touched again at the next flight segment

so all in all lets say it was touched by what 5 airport staffers and no one thought hummmmm

The suitcase had better not have been large ha!

 

[rsd1200]

He had urges to lash out physically that he did resist. But he also had a few times when he followed through and punched or kicked someone.

Proper meds are a must but that is a constant struggle. When they work great ---he tends to stop taking them because he feels 'fine.' Then he goes off the deep end and starts over again. :sigh:

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At the facility, when one of the schizophrenics would come to them and say, They want me to kill myself, but I don't want to do that (for example), they were to take that seriously. That was a call for help that the voices were winning.

 

[RainCheck]

Shot some in head point blank

Has some family ties to Union city here in Fl

Second video on this link has a pic of him younger

.....firearm was his only piece of checked luggage, said Jesse Davis, chief of police at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport.

It this turns out to be true , how on earth could a baggage handler not think something is very strange for someone to check a bag that weighs what 9 onces on a long flight - come on!!

That is obserd IMO

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...ntiago-who-was-fort-lauderdale-409914655.html

Perhaps they mean he checked the gun in it's travel case. Not that he had it hidden in a suitcase, but that it was in a sturdy gun air travel case and that's the only thing he checked. He carried on his other bags.

 

[CARIIS]

There will probably be video of the actual event it was an airport after all imo

 

[CARIIS]

Perhaps they mean he checked the gun in it's travel case. Not that he had it hidden in a suitcase, but that it was in a sturdy gun air travel case and that's the only thing he checked. He carried on his other bags.

Ah ha better!!

Cause they said he did declare so that makes sense

 

[katydid23]

to me "forced" implies the exact opposite of "i feel the urge to", coupled with the other story that describes him as saying he heard voices telling him to fight for ISIS, and the story that describes him as struggling with mental illness,and that leads me to be less certain about what happened here.

just to be clear, im not claiming this could not have been an ISIS inspired terrorist attack, im saying that it is completely unproven at this time and debating the evidence for such claims.

But when someone 'hears voices' in their head, what are those voices? Those are URGES they are hearing. Something inside him is saying to read ISIS material online, and take a selfie giving the ISIS one finger salute. Those are urges that he is fighting. JMO

 

[CARIIS]

interesting report from reporter

http://abc13.com/news/suspect-identified-in-ft-lauderdale-airport-shooting/1689929/

 

[katydid23]

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At the facility, when one of the schizophrenics would come to them and say, They want me to kill myself, but I don't want to do that (for example), they were to take that seriously. That was a call for help that the voices were winning.

Exactly. Those voices are actually inner urges that the rational mind is resisting, imo.

 

[rsd1200]

It is so sad that we say to support troops, but they come back and commit acts of violence or commit suicide.

We are more than willimg to put them in harm's way, but then forget them when they return

Yes. Amen.

 

[RainCheck]

The gun travel cases look like this just so you have a visual. I've noticed people check them before.

I mean not exactly like this, but something like this. They have to have locks on them for the airport.

Here's TSA website on checked guns https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition

 

[Gardenista]

Interesting comments from this guy on Twitter--this is first of 7 tweets

Terrorism Analyst ● Expert, Congressional Taskforce on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare

Michael S. Smith IIVerified account
‏@MichaelSSmithII
TRACKING - IS-linked Telegram channels posted Arabic transliteration of #FortLauderdale airport shooter's name before @CNN @FoxNews reported

https://twitter.com/MichaelSSmithII/status/817457707875782658?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

 

[flourish]

I'm just thinking there may be some semantics issues happening here? "Urges" connotes something from within us, like our deepest, darkest parts of our actual selves, while "voices in my head" connotes something perceived to be outside our own minds but caused from within. I think some people may be arguing that the voices cause the urges and some saying no and others saying perhaps but let's not all lump this scrap up together just yet?

Clear as mud? Am I cranky and probably need to shut up and go to sleep? Lol.

 

[katydid23]

The young man is reported to have checked into a hospital in Alaska voluntarily for a mental-health evaluation last year after telling authorities he had been hearing voices in his head, some of them urging him to commit acts of violence.

He also is said to have told federal agents he received messages that the U.S government was ordering him to join the terrorist group Islamic State, but there was no indication he acted on that in any way.

http://www.voanews.com/a/fort-lauderdale-florida-airport-shooting-suspect-mental-health/3666838.html

BBM

THAT is exactly what I have been trying to say.

 

[CARIIS]

In this report they show him ---the uniform stuff was bogus

[video=youtube;XJdC3AHXcIg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJdC3AHXcIg[/video]

 

[RainCheck]

BBM

THAT is exactly what I have been trying to say.

I get what you're saying! They urge, pester, continuously tell the person to do something and the person is thinking "No, no! I don't want to!" But after a while they get worn down from the constant prodding from the voices, if they don't have proper meds and support, and give into the voices. It becomes something they feel they have to do, they have an urge to do, but it's because they the voices wouldn't stop. However, urging is a different word with a different meaning than "an urge". Urging someone is different than having an urge.

 

[al66pine]

It must depend on the state. I've lived in the US all my life and never seen anyone except LE walking with a firearm.

LaborDayRN Appreciate your many informative posts in this & other threads.

Likely that some here have seen on MSM vid or pix of ppl 'open-carrying' esp where new statutes allow. When I've visited some open carry jurisdictions, I notice a few. In visiting in Europe multiple times, I've seen military personnel w rifles, in hands or on shoulder holsters/rigs (terminology?) & handguns in a couple countries, in banks, airports, train stns, etc. A bit unnerving to me the first few times.

Re ^bbm, is it possible you have not seen for lack of training/experience in detecting someone w CCW? After a CCW class, reading, & watching youtube vids re detecting CCW, I've been able to identify more CCW'ers than I ever expected.

Some "tells" ---- gun 'printing'/shadowing against clothes (above/below waistband, or pants leg above ankle, certain squirmy gestures in checking/adjusting holster at waistband, etc). It's a skill that LEOs use.

 

[rsd1200]

A look at high profile mass shootings carried out by veterans and active duty soldiers over the past 25 years


http://www.nbcnewyork.com/multimedia/Chronology-Veteran-Mass-Shootings-409929725.html

These folks just confirmed that he only checked a gun -- that is it

thats messed up

use some common sense airport people - there would have to be why someone would not carry on something that weighs 8 onces.

And then his bag had to be touched again at the next flight segment

so all in all lets say it was touched by what 5 airport staffers and no one thought hummmmm

The suitcase had better not have been large ha!

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But it's legal to fly w/a firearm in checked baggage. It wouldn't set off any alarms to anyone. The once or twice I've flown since 9/11, I've packed as light as possible. I used to check baggage, put a bag overhead, one under my seat, etc... No more. I pack as lite as I possibly can. I hate to fly now. I used to love to fly. I'm not really afraid to fly but it's the biggest hassle to have to nearly strip buck naked to get through everything to get to the gate. I had a little lighter on me one time and it got tossed. My friend says, don't worry, I have matches. She turns around and the attended puts his hand out, says I hear you have matches, she hands over her matches. Had I checked that tiny lighter in my bags it would have made it through. If my bag is over a certain size then it costs more. So I take the tiniest bag that I can. I'm sure others do too. My family used to walk me to the gate and the kids would wave at the plane. Not after 9/11. I drive now. I can take the kitchen sink, and my firearm if I want to, and no one considers strip searching me if I forget and leave a lighter in my carry-on. Sorry for the rant but I honestly don't know why anyone flies anymore unless it's just a necessity. It's just turned into a horrible experience, much like a human stockyards.