FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[MelmothTheLost]

Except we still don't know if he was really in with ISIS or if he was just hearing voices.

Whether or not he was "really in" with ISIS may remain fuzzy. From what I've seen the only introduction or joining is by declaring allegiance to ISIS. You don't need to go anywhere to be formally inducted, you just formally state your membership and you're in. The ISIS leadership has been calling for an army of lone wolves to declare their allegiance and to attack at western targets at random and cause havoc such as the recent lorry attacks. They have also called for followers to become serial killers (as opposed to spree killers) to tie up police resources.

Is there any indication he might have put any videos on YouTube? A number of lone wolves have uploaded videos declaring their allegiance just before they carry out an attack.

 

[DatelineFan]

I don't understand the desperation to connect this to ISIS instead of investigating the possibility that it's fueled by a mental health disorder as evidenced by his stay in a psychiatric facility and statements to the FBI that he doesn't want to hurt anyone.

Please show me just ONE other example of a terrorist who begged the FBI for help. I'll wait.

I don't either!!

 

[CARIIS]

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Not to be snarky, but, there's a whole lot of carnage that would suggest otherwise. I don't see a mentally competent person doing what he did. Iirc he had a couple of weeks of self-admitted mental health care. Who knows if he was taking meds. If he wasn't taking meds, then today could have been the moment that the voices won, rather than him just deciding he was going to murder random people in an airport for no reason. I don't see someone going to the FBI and making those statements lightheartedly, or for fun and giggles. I think he was seeking help and was trying to hold things together ever since coming home from Iraq. Today it all unraveled. Even if he was on meds, some people do well on meds, some people still struggle with the voices on meds.

Good post ty

I would like to kow more about the altercation. I am wondering if it behaved as of a trigger. It was a long day. He may have taken his meds in the Am sedating him enough to handle checking in and sitting on in a plane seat for hours .

War has a lot of airplane stuff, I wonder if he had a flashback in the air -- and the altercastion was the beginning .

Flash Back he could have , in his mind suddenly been back at war and when he landed he had to start shooting cause he was in battle , again, in his mind

specucation

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Whether or not he was "really in" with ISIS may remain fuzzy. From what I've seen the only introduction or joining is by declaring allegiance to ISIS. You don't need to go anywhere to be formally inducted, you just formally state your membership and you're in. The ISIS leadership has been calling for an army of lone wolves to declare their allegiance and to attack at western targets at random and cause havoc such as the recent lorry attacks. They have also called for followers to become serial killers (as opposed to spree killers) to tie up police resources.

Is there any indication he might have put any videos on YouTube? A number of lone wolves have uploaded videos declaring their allegiance just before they carry out an attack.

I am sure the FBI will trace all of his computer tracks and see if he was actually watching ISIS videos and for how long since they said they were not ruling out the terrorism aspect.

 

[CARIIS]

Not forgetting those who passed and are in hopital.

Just look at the complete disruption on lives across the nation. One little, mentally ill 5 foot 8 140 person has bought nationwide chaos



If we could take all the money (My bet billions nationally) and put it into mental health !

http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByAirport.do


full name
Esteban Santiago-Ruiz.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-in-iraq-family-says/?utm_term=.af9580c03c97

 

[CARIIS]

But those 'voices' that they hear in their head----IT IS THEIR OWN THOUGHTS.

It is not someone else urging them. It is their own brain, their own mind, telling them to do something. So it is 'urging them' to do something that they themselves are wanting to do.

Not really.

At all.

Psychosis is like ice cream. But there are many flavors of Psychosis/Delusionionial thinking.

There are internal thoughts" I must go kill these enemies.".

There are external voices "You must go kill these enemies"

There are paranoid voices "These people at this baggage claim are out to kill you"

Their are voices that command them " you must shoot these people now"

There are voices that are persecutory its the e Cia are making me..."

There are voices that are just bizarre - "alians just landed "

and any and all mixes of any of them, and can vary within one person , though generally speaking folks tend to be a vanilla or chocolate, or whatever (!) primarily.

 

[Elley Mae]

“We are looking at all avenues,” George L. Piro, the FBI special agent in charge of the bureau’s Miami division, said at a briefing Friday night. “We have not ruled out terrorism, and we will be pursuing every angle to try to determine the motive behind this attack.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...no-name:homepage/story&utm_term=.b9d262e0ac8e

I do not think that there has to be a connection to a isis/jihad organization/group to be a terrorist, there is a reason for the term, lone wolf.jmo idk

 

[CARIIS]

I am sure the FBI will trace all of his computer tracks and see if he was actually watching ISIS videos and for how long since they said they were not ruling out the terrorism aspect.

There ought to be terrorist videos on his computers. The CIA is forcing him to watch them.

They believe the delusion ..

The planned childhood guy believed he was saving the babies.

James Holmes believed he was the Joker.

He complained that he was being forced to do so - in reality the voices (his illness) in his head told him to - not the CIA

There should be ISIS videos - it indicates IMO he was listening to his delusions-- he does not have the capacity to be a San Bernardo terrorist - he is IMO, far too ill

 

[CARIIS]

Airport officials also say they are trying to match more than 20,000 bags and personal items with their owners. Authorities say it is a complex and time-consuming process

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/florida-attack-updates-fort-lauderdale-airport-reopens-after-shooting-1.3231538

Santiago had lived with a woman and two small children.

arrived for Delta flight more than four hours early, which was unusual

reloaded at least once and fired on horrified passengers, then lay down on the floor in a spread-eagle position and waited for authorities to arrest him.

Jay Cohen was dropped off at the airport for a flight --finding an unusual scene
“The airport was like a ghost town,” Cohen, 51, a consultant, said in a telephone interview. “I didn’t see anyone around.”


It wasn’t until he walked all the way up to the Delta counter without encountering a line or a single soul that he noticed about 20 people huddled together behind a nearby concrete wall.

He said he peeked over the counter and saw the Delta employees on the ground trying to cover their heads with their hands.

“Hurry up. Get behind here,” someone whispered to him, he said. “Active shooter. Active shooter.”


police cars began screeching up to the curb.
“It went from eerie quiet from when I walked in to pure mayhem in just minutes,” he said. “It was chaos.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-in-iraq-family-says/?utm_term=.af9580c03c97

 

[Elley Mae]

I wonder if him being "forced" to watch isis videos was to cover his arse when his computers were taken.

It appears he not only went to the fbi but that they also went to him, I wonder what he said that had the fbi involved.


Santiago was also contacted by the FBI after an employer back in Alaska raised concerns about certain things he had said, according to ABC News

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shooting-Ft-Lauderdale-Hollywood-Airport.html

 

[Purplepixii]

But those 'voices' that they hear in their head----IT IS THEIR OWN THOUGHTS.

Yes, thoughts in their own head, that they have no control over. Can you imagine thinking things, terrible things, that you can't just "stop" or switch off... It's terrifying.

It is not someone else urging them. It is their own brain, their own mind, telling them to do something. So it is 'urging them' to do something that they themselves are wanting to do.

Yes, in simple terms it could be said that "it's their own brain" telling them to do bad things. But it's a sick brain, a brain with an illness, a brain with a chemical imbalance, a brain that isn't working properly. It is NOT a normal, healthy brain.

 

[CARIIS]

her nephew had recently become a father and was struggling.
“He said he saw things.”

serving as a combat engineer in the Guard before his discharge for “unsatisfactory performance

he worked one weekend a month with an additional 15 days of training yearly

While travellers have to take off their shoes, put their carry-on luggage through X-ray machines and pass through metal detectors to reach the gates, many other sections of airports, such as ticket counters and baggage claim areas, are more lightly secured and more vulnerable to attack.

“went up and down the carousels of the baggage claim, shooting through luggage to get at people that were hiding,”

Santiago had gone AWOL several times since joining the Alaska National Guard in November 2014 and was demoted — from specialist to private first class —

he had been “fighting with a lot of people” during his time in Alaska.

9mm handgun

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...t/news-story/77748618c416cb9f261e6c8956588782

 

[AmyPond]

A look at high profile mass shootings carried out by veterans and active duty soldiers over the past 25 years


http://www.nbcnewyork.com/multimedia/Chronology-Veteran-Mass-Shootings-409929725.html

These folks just confirmed that he only checked a gun -- that is it

thats messed up

use some common sense airport people - there would have to be why someone would not carry on something that weighs 8 onces.

And then his bag had to be touched again at the next flight segment

so all in all lets say it was touched by what 5 airport staffers and no one thought hummmmm

The suitcase had better not have been large ha!

Only checking a gun isn't really any sort of red flag. I'm sure it happens often. If someone packs light they may not need to check their luggage. But they are required to check the gun.

I hate to admit this, but I made it onto a flight with a 5" assisted blade tactical knife in my purse! It was completely an accident on my part. It was Christmas season three years ago and I was flying coast to coast with a 14 month old. I was tired and stressed. I forgot it was in my purse because I always carry a knife. We were half way through the flight and a went in my purse to retrieve something and felt the knife. I turned white as a ghost, felt faint and my husband asked me if I was okay. I tilted my purse just enough so he could see the knife he muttered, "Oh, my God!". I put my purse under the seat and didn't touch it again. I was horrified I made it on a plane with a knife that big. I still am! It certainly made me lose some faith that TSA really does much of anything to protect us other than hopefully be a little bit of a deterrent by simply standing there looking like they might be doing something.

That is really terrifying! I do wonder how much profiling goes on. Since you were with a child they probably didn't think twice about you. I'm not sure of your race or anything but it's possible that contributed at well.

 

[AmyPond]

If he knew something was wrong and he sought help only to be turned away....then that is truly sad and a big flaw in our system. However, that still doesn't make me have much sympathy for him at all. I am mostly sad for his family. (And obviously the victims and their families.)

 

[CARIIS]

here is air traffic control curing incident

[video=youtube;MJmTUS-qwuc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJmTUS-qwuc[/video]

 

[Momoffourboys]

Why didn't any of his actions raise a red flag? Why was he legally carrying a weapon?

He went to the FBI, FFS!! He sought treatment for psych issues.

And I know guns are easy to get. I know he could have gotten one, regardless.
But he owned and traveled with one, legally!

 

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[katydid23]

Yes, thoughts in their own head, that they have no control over. Can you imagine thinking things, terrible things, that you can't just "stop" or switch off... It's terrifying.

Yes, in simple terms it could be said that "it's their own brain" telling them to do bad things. But it's a sick brain, a brain with an illness, a brain with a chemical imbalance, a brain that isn't working properly. It is NOT a normal, healthy brain.

Yes, if he was truly diagnosed as a schizophrenic. I am not certain of that yet though. Has that been officially confirmed?

Also, there are a lot of people who have invasive thoughts they cannot control. Rapists and pedophiles often complain that they cannot stop thinking about their criminal urges. That is also sometimes a sick brain, that isn't working properly. jmo

 

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[Jewels53]

Ft. Lauderdale airport shooting suspect charged; feds won't rule out terror

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/0...uspect-charged-feds-wont-rule-out-terror.html