FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #21

[cottonweaver]

Yes the morning block would be helpful because it would show the call to Dan that he didn’t pick up, and any calls made before/after that

from memory, it was around 11.40 - you could double check that if you want to.
What Fibbers claimed to isom isn't as reliable as a call log

 

[Mysticeilis]

DBM

 

[ch_13]

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I can't find the other pages of it but this was from a TPD document release years ago. ( it doesn't have details of WA making hit-man joke to him but it's only 1 page long & first interview)

Also, I have no idea if there were follow-up interviews which elicited extra info so it's a FWIW post but might be of use to @rebelchild

He was on the witness list for CA's trial although he was never called. I imagine that we'll hear his testimony in Wendi's eventual trial.

Poor guy. He did a standard repair call almost ten years ago, and has had this thing hanging over his head ever since.

 

[Mysticeilis]

Like Julie Grant on Court TV, Stephen Webster is now also thinking that Fibbers might join Grandma Gotti soon, same trial, Two defendants

I do hope Dan’s children get to speak with Stephen Webster! The end of this episode speaks highly of what an amazing Dad Dan was!

 

[clearskies1]

I've got one screenshot from the trial but it's limited. Somebody else will have the morning block.

For anybody else - Ritu & Jeanine are the lunch companions & Wendi is running late View attachment 469501

I don't have the records but when Wendi was scrolling though her phone with Isom she said she called DM at 11:42 am and left him a message. At 31:34 below. I don't know when she was in contact with her friends that morning to make the last minute lunch date. I've wanted to know that info for awhile.

 

[cottonweaver]

He was on the witness list for CA's trial although he was never called. I imagine that we'll hear his testimony in Wendi's eventual trial.

Poor guy. He did a standard repair call almost ten years ago, and has had this thing hanging over his head ever since.

Agree, not paid enough for this kind of....

 

[pseudo_hum]

I still wonder why hypothetically she would have needed an alibi if she wasn’t the shooter. Is it possible that none of the alleged conspirators had thought of that? Could it be that someone thought that she would need an alibi? Could it be that the TV repair was meant to serve another purpose besides an alibi? As an alibi, in my opinion, it’s not very good. In general, in my experience, when you schedule a repair appointment, they give you a window of time, but you have no idea when in the window they might arrive. In this case, according to the police report above, the TV repair person was gone by 9:15.

IMO, they wanted to "oversell" WA lack of involvement. Or I should type no involvement. They were trying to plan a little too much, IMO.

 

[cottonweaver]

IMO, they wanted to "oversell" WA lack of involvement. Or I should type no involvement. They were trying to plan a little to much, IMO.

so much so that she couldn't get a shower or change before lunch. Bless!

 

[clearskies1]

These are the only phone records I could find on youtube for WA the morning of the shooting. The first one shown looks like it's for 11:42am.

 

[mdwannabejd]

I do hope Dan’s children get to speak with Stephen Webster! The end of this episode speaks highly of what an amazing Dad Dan was!

Speaking of how amazing Dan was and how he had an amazing legal mind. It’s always weird to me that in the interview that she can talk so negatively about Dan while he is in a hospital alone on life support. I can only imagine that if I had an ex wife, I would dance around saying negative things if she was dying and maybe then bring up the negative at a later date. It’s just called Respect.
They all also talk so negatively about him on the stand. Don’t they know it doesn’t help their innocence or make the jury like them. But once again they just can’t help themselves.

 

[amicuscurie]

These are the only phone records I could find on youtube for WA the morning of the shooting. The first one shown looks like it's for 11:42am.

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Jeannine Silbeman is one of the lunch companions, as I recall. The top call on this sheet is cut off, bit to me from what I can make out it looks like it was to Dan. There are several texts to Jeannine Silberman right after that. Then there’s a gap from about 11:47 to 12:27.

 

[clearskies1]

Jeannine Silbeman is one of the lunch companions, as I recall. The top call on this sheet is cut off, bit to me from what I can make out it looks like it was to Dan. There are several texts to Jeannine Silberman right after that. Then there’s a gap from about 11:47 to 12:27.

Yes. She told Isom she called Dan at 11:42.

 

[RickshawFan]

Yeah, no. They're not going to allow him around dental equipment that could be used as weapons in prison.

I wasn't thinking of real dental tools....If they can make shanks, they can make anything. I would venture to bet, someone could concoct an amalgam-substitute (glue?), they get access to disinfectant (mouth wash), floss, paper clips.

Someone clever could probably even come up with a fake tooth bridged to neighboring teeth.

They can also disinfect "tools" with boiling water and/or microwave.

I recently had a tooth removed ($4). It didn't require tools. It required brawn from the dentist. Quite the experience. In old movies (remember Doctor Quinn?), they attached the tooth via a string to a horse. Then, they slapped the horse's butt. Now I know why.

Prison inmates have to forego injectible anaesthetic, but that's where prison hooch and smuggled drugs come in.

 

[Misy]

Plus I think she was attempting to 'block out' the whole day.
Firstly she doesn't know exactly when the assassins will get the job done. AM/PM/Eve? They're unreliable

Secondly, maybe if anybody suspected you'd shot your husband you'd be able to say wtte of ' Did you look at my schedule on the18th? Why would I plan to kill my husband on the same day I planned all these other tasks & errands?'

9 -12 window for repair man, chores & work emails & time stamped drafts, discussion w Dan 10.30
1 ish - 2/3pm? Travel to & keep lunch date. Witnesses will confirm I was totally unflustered, even ate a 'whole delicious lunch'
3pm ish - shopping errands ( receipts) - Stock the Bar, gas, superglue ( she told Isom it was on her list, broken toy)
3.30pm pick up boys ( stymied by Dan who wanted to take them swimming)

(The party later - have forgotten the time of that but doesn't really matter, has the boys 4.30 ish+. Plans to speak to Dan at drop off )

As @IQuestion suggested previously, the unanswered call to Dan is enough of a sign for her that the job has been done. Then she just has to go check it out, ' can't help herself' and switches around the shopping errands.

As Stephen Webster testified Dan was desperate to resolve the issue over the school before Monday and before he left for NY.
She'd been ghosting him & did everything possible to avoid speaking to him, preferring emails or texts, if she called him, she knew he'd pick up or call her right back.

Unless he wasn't able

question - when she was on her crime scene drive by & on the phone at the same time, wasn't it an offense there in 2014? ( I don't think she was on handsfree or Georgia wouldn't have asked Brannon)

I’m still reading this but had to stop when I read the “whole delicious lunch!”. You caught that too?!? Hahahaha!

 

[Orange Tabby]

I still wonder why hypothetically she would have needed an alibi if she wasn’t the shooter. Is it possible that none of the alleged conspirators had thought of that? Could it be that someone thought that she would need an alibi? Could it be that the TV repair was meant to serve another purpose besides an alibi? As an alibi, in my opinion, it’s not very good. In general, in my experience, when you schedule a repair appointment, they give you a window of time, but you have no idea when in the window they might arrive. In this case, according to the police report above, the TV repair person was gone by 9:15.

I don’t think it was intended to be an alibi at all. I said this about six weeks ago and am too lazy to re-write it in new form. What I suggested then was this:

Because they were arrogant enough to assume that if they explained all those phone calls and texts the day of the DM’s demise by saying they all had to liaise over the poor telly, folks would believe them and not question it.

They needed an explanation in order to conceal what those texts and calls were really about: finalizing their murderous plans. [Or calm each other or simply to ensure all was going to script.]

Bringing in the repair dude was a dramatic flourish. It’s like the line from Gilbert and Sullivan’s operetta “The Mikado”, where Pooh-Bah describes a particular lie as, “Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.”

 

[amicuscurie]

I don’t think it was intended to be an alibi at all. I said this about six weeks ago and am too lazy to re-write it in new form. What I suggested then was this:

Because they were arrogant enough to assume that if they explained all those phone calls and texts the day of the DM’s demise by saying they all had to liaise over the poor telly, folks would believe them and not question it.

They needed an explanation in order to conceal what those texts and calls were really about: finalizing their murderous plans. [Or calm each other or simply to ensure all was going to script.]

Bringing in the repair dude was a dramatic flourish. It’s like the line from Gilbert and Sullivan’s operetta “The Mikado”, where Pooh-Bah describes a particular lie as, “Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.”

Makes sense to me, except why did they think the number of calls would draw suspicion? They are family, so it’s not unreasonable that they would call each other, hypothetically. There weren’t even that many calls, though, involving Wendi. Just that one 18 minute call to Charlie and a very brief early morning call from Donna. The repair guy was gone by 9:15. It’s all very strange to me.

 

[IQuestion]

from memory, it was around 11.40 - you could double check that if you want to.
What Fibbers claimed to isom isn't as reliable as a call log

YES!

July 18, 2014: Morning​

At 11 a.m., Dan Markel drove home after his workout at a gym about 15 minutes away. Markel was heading up the driveway when he got a call on his cellphone. He told the man on the phone that there was someone unfamiliar in his driveway.

The man then heard a muffled sound through the phone and never heard from Markel again.

 

[IQuestion]

from memory, it was around 11.40 - you could double check that if you want to.
What Fibbers claimed to isom isn't as reliable as a call log

"July 18, 2014: Morning​

At 11 a.m., Dan Markel drove home after his workout at a gym about 15 minutes away. Markel was heading up the driveway when he got a call on his cellphone. He told the man on the phone that there was someone unfamiliar in his driveway. (Ironically the man on the phone was a music teacher and as @cottonweaver has stated DM would always answer calls quickly concerning his sons)
The man then heard a muffled sound through the phone and never heard from Markel again."
After avoiding DM for more than A WEEK, she suddenly had time Friday after 11:30 am to talk to him, but he didn't answer....AHAH!!
IMO She hightailed it over to Trescott when DM didn't answer the phone, because she just couldn't help herself. (At least CA is willing to repeat those words now.) And then when she realized the police officer had seen her, she had to immediately drive over to the liquor store in that neighborhood to cover her backside. She had to have that liquor store receipt, with the time stamp!!! Of course taking the time to do that and make sure the clerk remembered her! And, of course it made her a little late for her lunch date across town, huh.
Very clever, NOT!
Edited to add In My Opinion

 

[minusfour]

Can you share the titles to some of your other books? There used to be a show on the ID channel about dentists that murder. I guess it’s a thing.

Sure thing!

Too Late To Say Goodbye, Ann Rule. (Not one of Ann Rule's best, sadly)
Appointment For Murder, Susan Crain Bakos
Murder At 75 Birch, Ricahrd T Pienciak
Midnight In Peking, Paul French. (In an earlier post, I incorrectly described this as a 19th century Hong Kong based book. It's not, it happened in 1937, on mainland China)
The Amorous Dentist, Robert Travers, and
Let This Be Our Little Secret, Deric Henderson-

I didn't know about such a show!

 

[Zedzded]

I just started following this case recently and have been trying to watch all the trials and get caught up. Do you know if they have ever verified that a TV repairman actually came to WA's that morning or is that just the code her mom used to let her know the guys were in town and the hit would be happening that day? Thanks so much!

The TV repairman was an uncalled witness in CA's trial.