FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #23

[LetsSolvIt]

I can’t fall asleep to most of the channels now, because the ad comes on much louder than the podcast and wakes me up. Years ago many of the channels covering the trials didn’t have ads. I used to fall asleep to Carl’s until he monitized and now there are ads every 5 minutes. His voice was good to fall asleep to lol

UPDATE: Actually he may have done something because I see his podcast from last night doesnt seem to have ads. People were complaining about that.(only one or two ads at the beginning).

Same problem here. You have to be discriminating if your goal is to fall asleep

 

[cottonweaver]

Manipulative Wendi and her deeply devious family.

Knowing what we know now ( the new evidence which has been released ) IMO the old jail calls become more interesting.

This is 8th Nov jail call - day 2 after CA's conviction and the first time W has seen her parents since the catastrophic news ( It's one day after Donna has started trying to arrange visas to Nam)

For example this one for me - JMO - shows for example
- how Wendi manipulates Donna to keep her on side after Donna blew up and sent those risky messages to Wendi. Wendi has now talked mom off the ledge and Donna bought it! ( Wendi seeks to do the same with Charlie, using her lawyer's advice as cover for her uncaring silence)

- seems to confirm how she's brainwashed/lied to the kids about the crime ( and control! won't allow a conversation between them & CA for at least a week. They might blurt something out right, a period of high emotion? Risky. Got to maintain the Big Lie. )

- her determination not to appear on any call logs ( Uses the boyfriend used as the go -between, and uses speaker phone function so she can hear & reply to Mom. Also IMO, the boyfriend didn't know they were off to Vietnam. They kept it from him. He can stay in the condo or lobby or she cannot bring him along)

- hints at how she plans to arrange to speak to Charlie but without having the content monitored ( My guess is via a 3-way ' conference call' via a 'dirty' lawyer - against jail rules & IMO this was the plan for future DA - CA chats once in Vietnam)

- wondering whether CA ruminated on this call later? The fact that she wouldn't even be in the same room while his mom spoke to him. He's not totally stupid, he must've realised that she didn't need to go that far - a separate room

- Harvey smart cookie.' No details!' ( OK you can tell Annie C we're leaving but repeats warning not to give Annie the details of their escape. Fast forward 5 days later to the airport bodycams where he's acting as if it was just an innocent travel plan)

all that just in the first seven minutes of the jail call! I haven't got any further with it.

anyway, I do think Charlie & Wendi will have spoken by now. she needs that, too risky otherwise, can't afford for him to flip. Will she be successful on that score? Only time will tell.

 

[amicuscurie]

Manipulative Wendi and her deeply devious family.

Knowing what we know now ( the new evidence which has been released ) IMO the old jail calls become more interesting.

This is 8th Nov jail call - day 2 after CA's conviction and the first time W has seen her parents since the catastrophic news ( It's one day after Donna has started trying to arrange visas to Nam)

For example this one for me - JMO - shows for example
- how Wendi manipulates Donna to keep her on side after Donna blew up and sent those risky messages to Wendi. Wendi has now talked mom off the ledge and Donna bought it! ( Wendi seeks to do the same with Charlie, using her lawyer's advice as cover for her uncaring silence)

- seems to confirm how she's brainwashed/lied to the kids about the crime ( and control! won't allow a conversation between them & CA for at least a week. They might blurt something out right, a period of high emotion? Risky. Got to maintain the Big Lie. )

- her determination not to appear on any call logs ( Uses the boyfriend used as the go -between, and uses speaker phone function so she can hear & reply to Mom. Also IMO, the boyfriend didn't know they were off to Vietnam. They kept it from him. He can stay in the condo or lobby or she cannot bring him along)

- hints at how she plans to arrange to speak to Charlie but without having the content monitored ( My guess is via a 3-way ' conference call' via a 'dirty' lawyer - against jail rules & IMO this was the plan for future DA - CA chats once in Vietnam)

- wondering whether CA ruminated on this call later? The fact that she wouldn't even be in the same room while his mom spoke to him. He's not totally stupid, he must've realised that she didn't need to go that far - a separate room

- Harvey smart cookie.' No details!' ( OK you can tell Annie C we're leaving but repeats warning not to give Annie the details of their escape. Fast forward 5 days later to the airport bodycams where he's acting as if it was just an innocent travel plan)

all that just in the first seven minutes of the jail call! I haven't got any further with it.

anyway, I do think Charlie & Wendi will have spoken by now. she needs that, too risky otherwise, can't afford for him to flip. Will she be successful on that score? Only time will tell.

Who is Annie Cunningham? From the context of this call, I thought she and her husband were people who took care of the rental properties for them. Doesn’t she refer to the husband having to possibly do repairs? (Or is that someone else?) But in the recent evidence from Donna’s phone, she says she may need them to “come down,” and refers to them “buying a ticket,” implying they live far away. Would they be maintaining properties from far away? Is this just an emergency option? They must trust them an awful lot to be contacting them as their second option when Wendi doesn’t pick up. But they live far away and seem to be this old caretaker-couple. They don’t seem likely to be longtime trusted social friends.

 

[Knitpicker]

Especially given all this new info about what they got from Donna’s phone, I think there is no “move to Austin.” In my opinion, I think she is anticipating an arrest and is getting her affairs in order, needing to rent out her place, and “moving” is an excuse to give in case anybody asks why. They do have family in Texas, as I understand, and so perhaps the boys are being sent there or to a boarding school. But I believe (JMO) the move is a ruse.

You think shes living with Harvey at his and Donnas condo?

 

[amicuscurie]

You think shes living with Harvey at his and Donnas condo?

No. I believe Harvey is still living in the condo and she is living in her place until it’s rented out. I’m not sure but someone should be able to check if it’s still listed for rent.