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Also, I am not buying that anyone would text someone “outside your house” while whizzing by any of the Turnpike exits in that area at 70 mph, no matter how close Charlie may have lived to one.

There are high walls and/or tall trees all along the route, and big commercial buildings right next to the highway. In my experience, you wouldn’t even know exactly when you’d be passing by any specific home, it’s just a blur.

Remember, if I recall correctly, the text doesn’t say “passing by your exit,” or something like that. If I recall correctly the text says specifically “outside your house.” You can’t even see any houses from the Turnpike in the Ft. Lauderdale area in my experience (I do recall that you can see some really crappy ones a little further south by Hollywood).

The whole thing, in my opinion, is ridiculous. You’re not “outside” anyone’s house when you’re whizzing by on the Turnpike at 70 mph.
 
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Knitpicker said:
What about D and H’s records of paying for Sunpass? Or any statements they may have sent to the home?
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I think the defense is arguing the state doesn’t keep those records after a certain time. Records of paying for SunPass would not necessarily show exactly where the transponder was read, I believe that sometimes you can just pay monthly or pay as you go, and you can set it so it tops up automatically when you run out if you want it to. I suppose your personal statement might show where the tolls were collected, but, again, Donna and/or Harvey might not have kept those.
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The reason for texting "outside the house" is to bring Charlie outside to help safeguard a very large amount of cash. I've felt nervous carrying cash to buy a used car, but nothing like this amount of money. You really feel the risk of robbery.
 
Is the second one something I wrote? It looks like i wrote it bc its in the yellow box, but I don’t remember writing that.
If you get a bill to your home, it will tell you what toll they are charging you for.
If you change your car, or credit card, then you may get a bill for a toll you went through that wasn’t paid for.
 
And really CA's reply just wrecks DA's hope that "outside your house" means passing by. he "said 10 minutes." So he understood DA's message to be that she was actually outside his house and that he would be there in 10 minutes and she didn't correct him.

I am surprised that the State doesn't have something else to prove DA and HA's movements on the night of the 18th. e.g credit card statements from fuel stops or food stops, CCTV, google maps data, GPS data from the their car if it had that tech fitted, information from the hotel they stayed in in Orlando. e.g they would have checked in around 1.30am.
 
Knitpicker said:
Is the second one something I wrote? It looks like i wrote it bc its in the yellow box, but I don’t remember writing that.
If you get a bill to your home, it will tell you what toll they are charging you for.
If you change your car, or credit card, then you may get a bill for a toll you went through that wasn’t paid for.
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I wrote it, I just messed up somehow and it ended up orange. If the defense was able to access records Donna and Harvey had which may show tolls they paid and when, then I don’t think they would be making this motion.
 
Zedzded said:
And really CA's reply just wrecks DA's hope that "outside your house" means passing by. he "said 10 minutes." So he understood DA's message to be that she was actually outside his house and that he would be there in 10 minutes and she didn't correct him.

I am surprised that the State doesn't have something else to prove DA and HA's movements on the night of the 18th. e.g credit card statements from fuel stops or food stops, CCTV, google maps data, GPS data from the their car if it had that tech fitted, information from the hotel they stayed in in Orlando. e.g they would have checked in around 1.30am.
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We don’t know that they don’t. Donna wasn’t on trial before.
 
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And really CA's reply just wrecks DA's hope that "outside your house" means passing by. he "said 10 minutes." So he understood DA's message to be that she was actually outside his house and that he would be there in 10 minutes and she didn't correct him.
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Totally agree, and any reasonable person on the jury would too.
 
Ferpo said:
Totally agree, and any reasonable person on the jury would too.
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And in my opinion, that’s why the motion on the SunPass records should not be granted, and the text should be allowed in, because it is my opinion that there are no SunPass records which would definitively disprove that Donna was outside Charlie’s house when she sent that text.
 
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Zedzded said:
And really CA's reply just wrecks DA's hope that "outside your house" means passing by. he "said 10 minutes." So he understood DA's message to be that she was actually outside his house and that he would be there in 10 minutes and she didn't correct him.

I am surprised that the State doesn't have something else to prove DA and HA's movements on the night of the 18th. e.g credit card statements from fuel stops or food stops, CCTV, google maps data, GPS data from the their car if it had that tech fitted, information from the hotel they stayed in in Orlando. e.g they would have checked in around 1.30am.
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It’s incredible that they would actually be able to sleep on the night they had DM murdered.
 
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