Maybe the other attorney arguing through Rashabaum. Theres so much new evidence. Jail calls/ money drop info, Vietnam fleeing. And what we learned about the extortion (form Donnas perspective-a “double extortion” or “second extortion”. Moldy money, Katies staying they dropped it off.. The state knew nothing about this going into Charlies trial, right? How could he say they had all the same evidence?In Donna’s case it's tied to the undue delay argument that the arrest was with prejudice and in bad faith because of the passage of time - there was no undue delay argued in Charlie's case and a realistic case for undue delay was not realistic in Charlies case. It is somewhat realistic for Donnas case. However, although its 'somewhat realistic', the undue delay motion is a pipe dream and Rashbaum knows it. Essentially Rashbaum positioned excluding the ‘money drop’ motion as a ‘compromise’ by the state for the undue delay in the arrest. At least that’s how I interpreted Rashbaum's plea to Judge Everett - which is why I am giving him a lot of credit today. Prior to hearing Rashbaum’s argument, I would have thought the motion to drop the 'money drop' allegation would be immediately denied. The fact that Judge Everett is going to review Katie’s testimony before making a decision and consider Rashbaum's argument / request shows that Rashbaum is a good ‘negotiator’. I still think the motion will be denied, but I think Rashbaum made a good case. If its not denied, it will be a major win for Rashbaum. I honestly don't think Rashbaum gives two craps about anything else argued today - excluding the motion to dismiss the case which is a pipe dream and not a realistic motion.
Well his office is in Miami, maybe confusing the issue on purpose? Right about 95 and 75.He did, but as I recall, he also said they got on the TURNPIKE at an entrance near Dolphins Stadium. That, to the best of my knowledge, is NOT the Dolphin Expressway, not by a long shot. His whole Motion seemed to me to be about being able to show when they got on the TURNPIKE.
What he seemed to me to be describing is the Golden Glades Interchange, where you join the Turnpike from I-95 going North. There’s a SunPass reader there. Just as you enter, you pass Dolphins STADIUM.
I believe he misspoke. Or he doesn’t know what that interchange is called and thinks it’s called the Dolphin Expressway, because it’s next to the stadium. That’s not what the Dolphin Expressway is, but maybe if you’re from Broward you don’t know that.
I’m thinking he was describing Golden Glades, because I’ve done that very drive to Orlando a million times. I’ve also done it from Coral Springs. You wouldn’t even stop in Orlando at all unless you took the Turnpike, because that’s the road that goes through Orlando. 95 and 75 don’t.
Or they could have merged onto the Turnpike from I95 to Charlies house. He lived a bit closer to the Turnpike than I95 they would still have to get off at SR 441 to get to Charlies.It’s extremely frustrating to me, because given the timing of the text, and the timing of their arrival in Orlando per cell tower records, the only timeline that makes sense in my opinion is the following hypothetical:
Donna hypothetically left Miami Beach sometime after 7pm, (per the established time of Wendi’s call as documented in her police interview), and arrived at Charlie’s house (probably via 95) sometime around 8, when Donna sent the text (that’s consistent with the time it takes to drive between Miami at FLL in my experience). Donna then hypothetically got back on the Turnpike around 9:30 or 10pm and arrived in Orlando at 1:30 a.m. (That’s consistent with the time it takes to drive from FLL to Orlando, in my experience).
In my opinion, that is the only timeline the SunPass records might support, because it is what most likely happened, in my opinion, based on existing evidence of time of arrival in Orlando and time the text was sent.
For this motion to be granted would be unbelievably prejudicial to the state under any balancing test, because there’s zero prejudice to the defense, in my opinion, from not being able to access the SunPass records, because they wouldn’t help the defense.
That’s what he’s talking about, I think, the point near Miami Gardens where there’s a ramp to the Turnpike, right near Dolphins Stadium. He seems to be calling that the Dolphin Expressway, which is super confusing.Well his office is in Miami, maybe confusing the issue on purpose? Right about 95 and 75.
So I guess we are both from S FL.
I know that when I took my mother to UM Sylvester cancer center (for a few years) I always took I 95 from 595 to go south and then on my way home, if there was too much traffic on 95, at the point near Miami Gardens theres a ramp where you can easily get on the Turnpike to get up to Broward.
Im not sure why he seems to be confusing the issue.
They would have taken I95 until they could get on the turnpike about 10 minutes North depending on traffic. You don’t even have to get off 95 and get on a different highway-it just kind of runs parallel at that point.
If that’s what happened, that wouldn’t help the defense, I wouldn’t think, because they’re denying stopping at Charlie’s house.Or they could have merged onto the Turnpike from I95 to Charlies house. He lived a bit closer to the Turnpike than I95
Sorry, I thought Donna sent the text at 8, but it seems I’m wrong. Still, leaving Charlie’s house after 9:30 p.m. is consistent with arriving in Orlando at 1:30 a.m., in my experience.Charlie doesn't get back to his house until around 9.30pm @amicuscurie
8.59pm ‘ Outside ur house’
20 mins later Charlie texts back ‘ 10 mins'
no problem, I'm trying to help.Sorry, I thought Donna sent the text at 8, but it seems I’m wrong. Still, leaving Charlie’s house after 9:30 p.m. is consistent with arriving in Orlando at 1:30 a.m., in my experience.
Lol OK. Strange. It could be that he’s confusing the issue on purpose. Many up in Tallahassee have confused the family home as being in Miami -I caught Georgia with that at one of Katies trials.That’s what he’s talking about, I think, the point near Miami Gardens where there’s a ramp to the Turnpike, right near Dolphins Stadium. He seems to be calling that the Dolphin Expressway, which is super confusing.
They could have stopped for a bite too.Sorry, I thought Donna sent the text at 8, but it seems I’m wrong. Still, leaving Charlie’s house after 9:30 p.m. is consistent with arriving in Orlando at 1:30 a.m., in my experience.
Maybe the other attorney arguing through Rashabaum. Theres so much new evidence. Jail calls/ money drop info, Vietnam fleeing. And what we learned about the extortion (form Donnas perspective-a “double extortion” or “second extortion”. Moldy money, Katies staying they dropped it off.. The state knew nothing about this going into Charlies trial, right? How could he say they had all the same evidence?
It’s possible they stayed with him for half a hour. Katie didn’t get there till 10:30 right? They had a lot to discuss in person.Charlie doesn't get back to his house until around 9.30pm @amicuscurie
8.59pm ‘ Outside ur house’
20 mins later Charlie texts back ‘ 10 mins'
Rashbaum says they made it to Orlando by 1.11am. ( in the clip attached)
At 2.08hrs here
Right-remember Rashi’s trying to keep them away from Charlies.If that’s what happened, that wouldn’t help the defense, I wouldn’t think, because they’re denying stopping at Charlie’s house.
I feel like that’s an argument the defense can make, and that is a question for the jury. The evidence doesn’t exclude that possibility, in my opinion. But for me, the evidence I’ve seen makes it seem extremely unlikely that they drove straight without stopping from the time they sent the text at 9 and didn’t arrive until 1:30 in Orlando.They could have stopped for a bite too.
we'll have to wait and seeIt’s possible they stayed with him for half a hour. Katie didn’t get there till 10:30 right? They had a lot to discuss in person.
I believe the timing was probably really close. Still, if the SunPass records have them getting on the Turnpike anywhere north of FLL, it’s bad for the defense in my opinion. I know you don’t know the roads, but FLL is north of Miami and it comes AFTER the Turnpike entrance from Miami. If they got on the Turnpike at any entrance North of FLL, it suggests to me that they deliberately went to FLL for some reason. The only thing that could help them in my opinion is if something could show that they got on the Turnpike just north of Miami, BEFORE FLL. Then I guess if there was no evidence they ever got OFF, they could argue they didn’t stop when they sent the text. I think that’s what the defense is claiming the SunPass records would show. Again, I think both sides can argue that since nothing shows the exact time and location of them getting off or on, the jury can draw its own conclusions.we'll have to wait and see
Remember I know nothing about the routes or traffic conditions but if I had to guess just for the sake of it... I would say a short meet-up with a money handover, hugs.
Why?
- Charlie was paranoid, agitated, armed soon after ( KM testimony)
- KM's arrival was imminent ( CA testimony)
- DA & HA had so little info to convey to their son ( Could only convey contents of WA's short call eg. It's done but he's not dead yet. Maybe HA could add - did you see that it was on Tally news & Facebook etc? ) I believe their adrenaline was pumping too.
- Wendi needed them asap & they'd have far more to tell CA tomorrow after they'd debriefed Wendi on her Isom interview & after CA had seen KM
Did Charlie still have a roommate at Whale Harbour in 2014? I can't recall but could it have been Jerome Obed? If so, maybe wouldn't want to risk Obed seeing that?
Regardless.... why didn't they let themselves in and wait inside? They had his access code in later years
Good point about Obed. I think he left after the murder.we'll have to wait and see
Remember I know nothing about the routes or traffic conditions but if I had to guess just for the sake of it... I would say a short meet-up with a money handover, hugs.
Why?
- Charlie was paranoid, agitated, armed soon after ( KM testimony)
- KM's arrival was imminent ( CA testimony)
- DA & HA had so little info to convey to their son ( Could only convey contents of WA's short call eg. It's done but he's not dead yet. Maybe HA could add - did you see that it was on Tally news & Facebook etc? ) I believe their adrenaline was pumping too.
- Wendi needed them asap & they'd have far more to tell CA tomorrow after they'd debriefed Wendi on her Isom interview & after CA had seen KM
Did Charlie still have a roommate at Whale Harbour in 2014? I can't recall but could it have been Jerome Obed? If so, maybe wouldn't want to risk Obed seeing that?
Regardless.... why didn't they let themselves in and wait inside? They had his access code in later years
Maybe in case Katie got there early? Or as you said his roommate was there. We were never told that in trial.we'll have to wait and see
Remember I know nothing about the routes or traffic conditions but if I had to guess just for the sake of it... I would say a short meet-up with a money handover, hugs.
Why?
- Charlie was paranoid, agitated, armed soon after ( KM testimony)
- KM's arrival was imminent ( CA testimony)
- DA & HA had so little info to convey to their son ( Could only convey contents of WA's short call eg. It's done but he's not dead yet. Maybe HA could add - did you see that it was on Tally news & Facebook etc? ) I believe their adrenaline was pumping too.
- Wendi needed them asap & they'd have far more to tell CA tomorrow after they'd debriefed Wendi on her Isom interview & after CA had seen KM
Did Charlie still have a roommate at Whale Harbour in 2014? I can't recall but could it have been Jerome Obed? If so, maybe wouldn't want to risk Obed seeing that?
Regardless.... why didn't they let themselves in and wait inside? They had his access code in later years
