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When I get discouraged in regards to this case, I think maybe Dan Markel is up there behind it all. While he wants everyone to do time for their crimes, he wants his boys taken care of first and foremost. This latest snafu pushes Donna’s trial back and subsequently the possibility of Wendi’s arrest back. This does give Wendi more time to raise the boys, get them closer to 18.

Then if justice prevails, we may see her future arrest and possible time served during the boys adult life. Whether she knew or not beforehand, she definitely knew after and has not come forward to help close the case.
 
When I get discouraged in regards to this case, I think maybe Dan Markel is up there behind it all. While he wants everyone to do time for their crimes, he wants his boys taken care of first and foremost. This latest snafu pushes Donna’s trial back and subsequently the possibility of Wendi’s arrest back. This does give Wendi more time to raise the boys, get them closer to 18.

Then if justice prevails, we may see her future arrest and possible time served during the boys adult life. Whether she knew or not beforehand, she definitely knew after and has not come forward to help close the case.
In my opinion one of the biggest tragedies of this case is that these people got as much time to raise these boys as they did, and it upsets me that the arrests of the family were not made sooner, although I’m sure the state has its reasons. It is my opinion that Donna and Harvey didn’t do a great job with two of their own three children. These boys deserved better, in my opinion, than being raised by people who are either convicted of, arrested for, or suspected of, murder.

I do agree that this is the only family these boys have known, and so I do agree it’s possible that being able to stay with their mother could be viewed as a good thing from their perspective. However in my opinion whatever stability this may have afforded them seems to me to have been in a slow, inevitable decline over the past few years, owing in my opinion to the actions of their family. Their uncle has been convicted and put away for life after a very public trial. Their grandmother, after a very public arrest, is in jail far away awaiting a trial at some unknown future point. Their mother has just moved them across the country far away from their friends, schools, and the only home they’ve had in the years since the murder. (This is the second time in their lives that they have had to leave their home, friends, and schools, the first time being just days after the murder.) I also believe it’s possible they have been told from a very early age that the Markels are bad people, and that they have not been told the truth about the reason their uncle and grandma are currently in jail. All of this is tragic, to me.
 
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Court just issued an order disqualifying Morris and Komisar. Case adjourned until December so that Donna can retain conflict free counsel.
Here's the order.

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"The withdrawal of attorney Daniel Rashbaum became necessary when he engaged in a conflicted representation falling short of the ethical obligations for members of the Florida Bar."

The judge is pissed off!
 
New Evidence

1. The ASW against Charles Adelson’s gmail account was sealed for few days.

2. Thereafter, the State entered this ASW with the electronic data it gathered into the evidence.

3. No detail on what is in the electronic date but it must be relevant for the State to amend the discovery.

Conclusion: Donna Adelson is getting deeper in her sh- t.

Sudden gust of filings and rulings posted on the docket

1. Apparently, the events started on Friday 10/5/2024 by the appearance of Komisar as second attorney for Donna Adelson.

2. Then, Komisar filed seeking clarification if Morris could cross-examine Charles Adelson.

3. The Judge rules that both Morris and Komisar have conflict of interests (it is impossible to unscramble an omelette), and both are dismissed.

4. The Judge canceled the Case management of 10/15/2024. Instead, next case management is for 12/10/2024.

Conclusion: Donna Adelson’s trial is pushed back for at least 10 more months.
 

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When I get discouraged in regards to this case, I think maybe Dan Markel is up there behind it all. While he wants everyone to do time for their crimes, he wants his boys taken care of first and foremost. This latest snafu pushes Donna’s trial back and subsequently the possibility of Wendi’s arrest back. This does give Wendi more time to raise the boys, get them closer to 18.

Then if justice prevails, we may see her future arrest and possible time served during the boys adult life. Whether she knew or not beforehand, she definitely knew after and has not come forward to help close the case.
You're basing your comment on WA being a good mother. She's not. She conspired to execute the boys father. She has sociopathic and narcissistic tendencies, completely mal-adjusted, egocentric and totally lacking in empathy. The more time the boys spend with her the more broken they will be. At least one of them is visiting his Grandma in jail, presumably believing in her innocence, something which will no doubt carry on throughout his life. Can you imagine carrying that burden of having your entire family locked up for life for a crime they didn't commit? He might spend his entire life advocating for their freedom. The sooner the boys are out of WA's poisonous grasp the better.
 
You're basing your comment on WA being a good mother. She's not. She conspired to execute the boys father. She has sociopathic and narcissistic tendencies, completely mal-adjusted, egocentric and totally lacking in empathy. The more time the boys spend with her the more broken they will be. At least one of them is visiting his Grandma in jail, presumably believing in her innocence, something which will no doubt carry on throughout his life. Can you imagine carrying that burden of having your entire family locked up for life for a crime they didn't commit? He might spend his entire life advocating for their freedom. The sooner the boys are out of WA's poisonous grasp the better.
These kids’ lives are messed up to no end.
When they are adults, do you think they’ll be viewed as the victims, or two more of the Adelsons’ stock? I once worked with the guy who lost both parents (one murdered, one in jail). Being a double orphan is horrible. But the family has messed up everything for these kids, inheritance, help of the law community should they become lawyers… they will be viewed as WA’s children. I think that both parents could have been more flexible in the divorce, but after the murder the lives of both kids are so ruined. WA is as horrible as the rest of her family, but for the kids’ sake it is better to postpone her punishment if her knowledge of the case is proven.
 
3. The Judge rules that both Morris and Komisar have conflict of interests (it is impossible to unscramble an omelette), and both are dismissed.

4. The Judge canceled the Case management of 10/15/2024. Instead, next case management is for 12/10/2024.

Conclusion: Donna Adelson’s trial is pushed back for at least 10 more months.

It's the correct decision. 10 months is very optimistic for a new team to get up to speed, including full reviews of the last three trial transcripts and the depositions that they'll need to do. Ouch. And that clock won't even start until DA/HA find a new team, which could take weeks.

All eyes are now on the age-old issue: Does this buy WA another 1.5+ years of freedom?
 
These kids’ lives are messed up to no end.
When they are adults, do you think they’ll be viewed as the victims, or two more of the Adelsons’ stock? I once worked with the guy who lost both parents (one murdered, one in jail). Being a double orphan is horrible. But the family has messed up everything for these kids, inheritance, help of the law community should they become lawyers… they will be viewed as WA’s children. I think that both parents could have been more flexible in the divorce, but after the murder the lives of both kids are so ruined. WA is as horrible as the rest of her family, but for the kids’ sake it is better to postpone her punishment if her knowledge of the case is proven.
Their lives are messed up. I see two different paths they can go down. Accept their family, including their Mum, was involved in murder of their father and, as hard as it might be, do everything in their power to ensure none of them see the light of day again. Or they can choose the Phillip Pilmar path.

His Mum and Uncle killed his Dad, he denied that they did it for many years and I'm not sure if he now acknowledges they were involved, but has publicly stated that "it happened a long time ago", "people need to move on" "his Mum is a lovely, kind person", "his Mum should be released." His Dad was stabbed over 35 times and slowly bled to death over a few hours. Note Phillip Pilmar is a District Attorney. A spineless District Attorney.

If the Markel boys decided to stick by their Mum, it will be to their detriment. They will be never be free. And as harsh as it may seem. They are no longer boys, they are young men who know right from wrong and sometimes you have to step up to the plate and do the right thing. AJ was a 6 year old boy, who got up in court, in front of a judge, jury, lawyers and family members and bravely testified against his mother as he witnessed her killing his sister. She was subsequently convicted.

I hope the Markel boys do the right thing. I don't think they will though. They are faced with a horrible moral dilemma, but if a 6 year old can do the right thing, they can.
 
It's the correct decision. 10 months is very optimistic for a new team to get up to speed, including full reviews of the last three trial transcripts and the depositions that they'll need to do. Ouch. And that clock won't even start until DA/HA find a new team, which could take weeks.

All eyes are now on the age-old issue: Does this buy WA another 1.5+ years of freedom?
Unless some new evidence drops or someone flips, I'm not sure that they will charge WA. Does not seem clear that they can prove WA guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. JMO.
 
Unless some new evidence drops or someone flips, I'm not sure that they will charge WA. Does not seem clear that they can prove WA guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. JMO.
I agree. The case against DA is very strong. They don't need WA's testimony in her trial. If she's not arrested in the next month or so I don't think she ever will be.
 
I feel for AlexM... it appears he just got hired on because he was a local (Tally-liked) with a good rep. DR no doubt finally realized something was missing (such as: courtesy, courtroom decorum, believability, common sense, geographic familiarity, etc).
In my mind, a defense attorney needs to build a bridge between his client's best interests and the humanity of the jurors.
And I believe AlexM could have well served his client in that regard.
Unfortuanely/fortunately? ""The withdrawal of attorney Daniel Rashbaum became necessary when he engaged in a conflicted representation falling short of the ethical obligations for members of the Florida Bar.""
Sounds as if someone realized DR was lying from the start about having waiver of conflict forms signed by CA, from the get go. Otherwise I think the comment would have been "no longer able to represent because the waiver has been withdrawn." Instead, "falling short of the ethical obligations for members of the Florida Bar" is a scathing rebuke of DRash, in my opinion (of course).
 
This is not directed towards anyone specifically, but there are a lot of people with social media platforms that are providing their ‘opinion’ (qualified or not) on every turn of events on this case. There are many varying opinions being expressed which is not the issue from my perspective - the issue, and what really gets under my skin, is certain people with platforms are constantly taking personal jabs at other people’s opinions. It’s okay to disagree, but the condescending tone and attitude some express towards other opinions is sickening. Not sure if its ego, jealousy or a combination, but it’s ridiculous and I have limited my ‘exposure’ to what’s being covered by many of the sources I previously enjoyed listening to. I really think a lot of people with platforms need to grow up and act more professionally.

Regarding Judge Everett’s latest motion to disqualify Morris and Komisar, I’d love to hear a ‘few’ qualified legal scholars / pundits in a roundtable discussion discuss how we got to this point and discuss the latest decision by Judge Everett objectively rather than hearing someone dish out the blame after the fact. Based on many things I have seen and heard, in my opinion, I don’t think this issue is as black and white as some with platforms have strongly expressed. I’d rather hear an open discussion amongst qualified legal scholars than someone expressing their strongly biased interpretation of how the legal process has played out who is to blame. In the court of law often times situations arise based on the complexities of the laws, rules, and principals that govern an individuals right to a fair trial. Based on many of the things I have read regarding Donna’s 6th amendment rights and how things ultimately unfolded, I don’t see this as a black and white issue and I’d love to hear a discussion amongst a qualified panel discussing this.

Maybe one of the larger channels / platforms covering the case will be able to assemble a qualified panel to discuss?
 
I was not aware of DRash making any statements to the press after he left DA, but then I found this:
Rashbaum, a Miami attorney and former federal prosecutor, said he couldn’t discuss the situation.
“I have no comment," Rashbaum said, "other than Mrs. Adelson is in very good hands with her new counsel."
Hmmm...very good hands for 20 days? I think AM and AK stayed in court just for appearances sake. They could see the handwriting on the wall.
Imagine how awkward it would have been for all 3 attorneys to walk out (or be disqualified) on her at the same time on live stream TV?
Surely this not the norm in court trials?
 
This is not directed towards anyone specifically, but there are a lot of people with social media platforms that are providing their ‘opinion’ (qualified or not) on every turn of events on this case. There are many varying opinions being expressed which is not the issue from my perspective - the issue, and what really gets under my skin, is certain people with platforms are constantly taking personal jabs at other people’s opinions. It’s okay to disagree, but the condescending tone and attitude some express towards other opinions is sickening. Not sure if its ego, jealousy or a combination, but it’s ridiculous and I have limited my ‘exposure’ to what’s being covered by many of the sources I previously enjoyed listening to. I really think a lot of people with platforms need to grow up and act more professionally.

Regarding Judge Everett’s latest motion to disqualify Morris and Komisar, I’d love to hear a ‘few’ qualified legal scholars / pundits in a roundtable discussion discuss how we got to this point and discuss the latest decision by Judge Everett objectively rather than hearing someone dish out the blame after the fact. Based on many things I have seen and heard, in my opinion, I don’t think this issue is as black and white as some with platforms have strongly expressed. I’d rather hear an open discussion amongst qualified legal scholars than someone expressing their strongly biased interpretation of how the legal process has played out who is to blame. In the court of law often times situations arise based on the complexities of the laws, rules, and principals that govern an individuals right to a fair trial. Based on many of the things I have read regarding Donna’s 6th amendment rights and how things ultimately unfolded, I don’t see this as a black and white issue and I’d love to hear a discussion amongst a qualified panel discussing this.

Maybe one of the larger channels / platforms covering the case will be able to assemble a qualified panel to discuss?
I’m no legal scholar, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

One of the legal scholars who appears on these various shows is Professor Jo Potuto, she’s very good and doesn’t trash the other hosts at all. Her opinion, as I recall, is that this conflict should have been obvious to everyone involved from the beginning. In my opinion, that’s not exactly placing “blame.”

Recall that in 2016, at the time of the initial arrests, Markus represented Charlie. I believe that at that time, Rash represented Donna and Harvey. I believe he even put out a statement on their behalf, calling the state’s theory “fanciful fiction.” (Where have we heard that before?)

Then, in 2022, Markus withdrew and suddenly Rash represented Charlie. In my opinion, the conflict arose at that point. In my opinion, in order to represent Charlie, Rash would have needed to obtain a waiver from both Charlie and Donna regarding his prior representation of Donna. Even then, a court might have determined the conflict was not waivable (as it did just now.).

As far as I know, nobody raised this issue when Rash took over Charlie’s representation. I know that I recall spotting this conflict and wondering about it at the time.

Everett, I believe, was not the judge assigned to the case in 2016, he was only put on the case for Katie’s second trial. So it’s possible, in my opinion, that when Rash took over Charlie’s representation, Everett may not have been aware of the statement Rash put out on behalf of Donna in 2016, or that Rash had represented Donna before he represented Charlie. But in my opinion, I believe the state should have been aware of it, and I question why the potential conflict was never raised or addressed.

Unfortunately that’s the exact conflict that is arising now, and that is why Rash had to recuse himself: because CHARLIE did not waive the conflict presented by Rash’s representation of DONNA.

At Donna’s pretrial, Everett seemed to me to be very concerned about whether DONNA waived the conflict presented by Rash’s previous representation of CHARLIE. He did not address the OTHER conflict, whether CHARLIE waived the conflict presented by Rash’s representation of DONNA. Had he done so, we might have avoided the situation this case now finds itself in.

Professor Potuto brought up these points on various panel shows.

In my opinion, Rash was hired as Donna’s lawyer from the beginning, and therefore, in my opinion, he could never have provided objective conflict-free representation of Charlie at all. The jail calls immediately after Charlie’s conviction, in which, to me, Donna appears to be going to him for legal advice, only bear that out.

Now, because this conflict wasn’t addressed when it arose with Rash’s representation of Charlie, Rash can’t represent Donna (his original client), and Charlie may, in my opinion, have a successful post-conviction claim for ineffective assistance of counsel. The result is a delay in the judicial process, as well as the state possibly having to re-try Charlie should he succeed with his claim for post-conviction relief.

It’s ironic that it took the retention of appellate counsel on Charlie’s behalf to finally draw attention to this original conflict. I do wonder how much of a hand Donna and/or Rash had in selecting that representation.
 
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