FL - Ibragim Todashev Shooting Incident, Orlando, 22 May 2013

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Someone who dedicates years into "fight" training, would be far superior in skill than any LE officer. They would easily be able to take control over more than one individual.

Their bodies are trained to tolerate the pain and continue to fight. I am not surprised in the least, that he would have continued to advance towards the officer despite being shot. There wasn't a lot of distance between the two of them. It's clearly a small area as seen in the photos.

Well, he obviously attacked or attacked back the guys in the parking lot, so he was not as incapacitated as his father wants to believe.

I'm still suspecting Tsarnaev and Todashev could have been on anabolic steroids causing more aggressive behavior.

 

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I thought it was a fascinating article. One of the things that stood out to me was:

"Todashev’s condominium unit sits within a mile of Universal Studios in Orlando, on Peregrine Avenue, where white ibises were wading at the pond out back when I visited in December. Peering through a low window, I saw a table and a folding chair in the otherwise-empty unit. It was the only chair that was ever there, Manukyan recalls.

I was with Hassan Shibly, an attorney and executive director of the Florida chapter of the civil rights group known as the Council on American Islamic Relations.

“If you have one chair — which we can assume Todashev sat in, surrounded for five hours by several armed officers, without an attorney present — it raises a lot of questions,” he said."

Weirdly, I thought about this before I went to bed last night and something was bothering me about it and the lonely picture of that chair. I realized why and then I asked myself if I have ever known anyone or heard of anyone that only has one chair if there are at least two people living in the house.

 

[i.b.nora]

Rachel Maddow did a story about the Ibragim killing tonight. She said a new article is coming out in Boston Magazine.

Among other things, she said that Ibragim's friend Khusan who we saw in the early videos, took pictures when he went to identify the dead body of his friend. That he sent the photos to Ibragim's father. Khusan had a green card so he went to the funeral of his friend which was held in Russia and that when he got ready to return to the USA, the FBI made sure he was denied entry!!!

We already know what they did with the girlfriend, and there was one other person they arranged to have someone bring charges against so they could deport him too.

There is more to come.

In the mean time, the FBI has investigated itself and found that 70 FBI killings were justified, and 80 FBI shootings were justified.

When i get a chance I will try to find a link to tonights segment.

 

[i.b.nora]

Here is the Boston Magazine article:

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/02/25/waltham-murders-boston-marathon/

The Murders Before the Marathon

Waltham, September 11, 2011: Three men, throats slit, cash and drugs left on the bodies. Two years later, two dead suspects: Tamerlan Tsarnaev, and a friend who the FBI says was about to confess. One haunting question: Could solving this case have prevented the Boston Marathon bombings?

By Susan Zalkind | Boston Magazine | March 2014

A collaboration with This American Life, airing Fri., March 7

"It’s nearly midnight in a nondescript condo complex a few blocks from Universal Studios in Orlando, and Tatiana Gruzdeva has been crying all day. Though neither of us knows it yet, as she sits on the corner of her bed and sobs in tiny convulsions, the fact that she’s talking to me will lead to her being arrested by federal agents, placed in solitary confinement, and deported back to Russia.

Next to us on the bed are nine teddy bears. Eight of them came with her from Tiraspol, Moldova. The ninth was a gift from her boyfriend, Ibragim Todashev. Today would have been Ibragim’s 28th birthday, but he is not here to see it, because in the early hours of May 22, 2013, a Boston FBI agent shot and killed him in this very apartment, under circumstances so strange that a Florida state prosecutor has opened an independent investigation. According to the FBI, just before Ibragim was shot—seven times, in two bursts, including once in the top of the head—he was about to write a confession implicating himself and alleged Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev in a brutal triple homicide that took place in Waltham, Massachusetts, in September 2011."

Much more, eight page article ...

I haven't read it yet, maybe it should also go in the Waltham murders thread which i am too lazy to find. Or, a link from there to here?

 

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nora... interesting article. I also posted it in the Waltham thread

MA MA - Waltham Triple Murder, 12 Sept 2011 - Page 19 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

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A Florida state attorney plans to release his report next month on an FBI agent’s mysterious fatal shooting of a friend of Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

State Attorney Jeffrey L. Ashton expects his final report on the May 2013 shooting of Ibragim Todashev will be publicly released by the end of March, he said yesterday in a statement.

...Ashton’s report is one of three probes on the matter, including an internal FBI investigation and a review by the Department of Justice’s civil-rights division.

An FBI spokesman said last month that the agency’s internal review was complete, and once all three reports were wrapped up, they would be made public at the same time.


http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio...with_probe_of_tamerlan_tsarnaev_s_slain_buddy

 

[Elley Mae]

FBI agent cleared in Florida shooting of suspect questioned about Boston bombing

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...495e94-b101-11e3-9627-c65021d6d572_story.html

 

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None of the reports have been publicly released. The Florida prosecutor, Jeffrey L. Ashton, has said his findings will be released on Tuesday. In a written statement, he denied that he had made a final decision.

“The release of purported information is inaccurate and unfair to Mr. Todashev’s surviving family and the police officers involved in the incident and their families,” Mr. Ashton said. “It also contravenes and frustrates all of the efforts to date by employees of the F.B.I., D.O.J. and this office for the orderly and safe release of information,” he added, referring to the Department of Justice.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/22/u...on=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article

 

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http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/03/25/todashev/rt3K7PSMY1ykZiU0DaaiuI/story.html


Excerpts

One of the troopers left the room after Todashev agreed to prepare a written statement describing his involvement. Todashev’s demeanor changed at that point, the letter said.

While neither the trooper nor the agent left in the room was looking, a coffee table “is propelled into the air” striking the FBI agent in the head. Todashev ran to the kitchen and could be heard rummaging through drawers, apparently looking for something, the letter said.

The trooper then allegedly saw Todashev “moving in his direction carrying a long pole of some sort ... with the end of the pole pointed toward him as if intended to be used to impale rather than strike,” the letter said.

The FBI agent fired three to four shots at Todashev as he advanced. Todashev was dropped to his knees but was not incapacitated and “immediately sprung toward the officers in what the [trooper] describes as a low angled lunge.” The FBI agent fired three to four more shots, incapacitating and killing Todashev, the letter said.

The law enforcement agents knew of Todashev’s history as a skilled martial arts fighter, having reviewed his fights on video. They were also aware of a recent violent confrontation he was in in the parking lot of a Florida shopping mall, letter report said.

At the moment of the final confrontation, Todashev had easy access to a door right behind him to flee, but instead of fleeing, he appeared to choose to fight, the letter said.

“We learned much about Mr. Todashev during our investigation,” Ashton wrote. “The one common thread among all was the observation that he was, at his core, a fearless fighter. Regardless of how beaten down he was, he simply didn’t have any quit in him. Perhaps on this occasion, he simply reverted to that basic aspect of his personality and chose to go down fighting.”

 

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The F.B.I. agent, who was based in Boston, had gone to Florida in May with two Massachusetts State Police detectives to interview Mr. Todashev as part of the sprawling investigation into the Boston Marathon bombing suspects, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

In the course of the interview, Mr. Todashev said he and Tamerlan Tsarnaev were behind a 2011 triple homicide in Waltham, Mass. The authorities have uncovered no evidence tying Mr. Todashev to the marathon bombings last April that killed three people and injured over 200.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/26/us/report-details-killing-of-chechen-by-fbi-agent.html?_r=0

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/03/25/todashev/rt3K7PSMY1ykZiU0DaaiuI/story.html


Excerpts

One of the troopers left the room after Todashev agreed to prepare a written statement describing his involvement. Todashev’s demeanor changed at that point, the letter said.

While neither the trooper nor the agent left in the room was looking, a coffee table “is propelled into the air” striking the FBI agent in the head. Todashev ran to the kitchen and could be heard rummaging through drawers, apparently looking for something, the letter said.

The trooper then allegedly saw Todashev “moving in his direction carrying a long pole of some sort ... with the end of the pole pointed toward him as if intended to be used to impale rather than strike,” the letter said.

The FBI agent fired three to four shots at Todashev as he advanced. Todashev was dropped to his knees but was not incapacitated and “immediately sprung toward the officers in what the [trooper] describes as a low angled lunge.” The FBI agent fired three to four more shots, incapacitating and killing Todashev, the letter said.

The law enforcement agents knew of Todashev’s history as a skilled martial arts fighter, having reviewed his fights on video. They were also aware of a recent violent confrontation he was in in the parking lot of a Florida shopping mall, letter report said.

At the moment of the final confrontation, Todashev had easy access to a door right behind him to flee, but instead of fleeing, he appeared to choose to fight, the letter said.

“We learned much about Mr. Todashev during our investigation,” Ashton wrote. “The one common thread among all was the observation that he was, at his core, a fearless fighter. Regardless of how beaten down he was, he simply didn’t have any quit in him. Perhaps on this occasion, he simply reverted to that basic aspect of his personality and chose to go down fighting.”

This is very close to how I imagined it happened.
He was not going to go down alive.

JMO

I'm glad this report has finally been released and I pray for those officers/agents and their families. I also pray for the Todashev family.

 

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This is very close to how I imagined it happened.
He was not going to go down alive.

JMO

I'm glad this report has finally been released and I pray for those officers/agents and their families. I also pray for the Todashev family.

I find some conflicting news statements on Todashev claims about whether he just admitted knowledge of TT being responsible for the Waltham murders or whether he admitted he and TT were involved. Is there any direct quotes from Ashton's report on this? I'm assuming he admitted he had involvement because that would be why he was not going down alive. Had he admitted or if there was solid evidence of his involvement, it was all over for him.

 

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Ok, I did find this:

"One of the officers suggest[ed] that Mr. Todashev prepare a written statement detailing his involvement in the murders, which he agreed to," the report said.​

Todashev admitted to having some involvement and was preparing to write the statement before he flipped a table, striking the FBI agent in the back of the head, the report said.​

http://www.enterprisenews.com/article/20140325/NEWS/303269994/1994/NEWS

I am hoping the Waltham murders are solved and we hear a complete reporting on them.

 

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From the link above. I don't think we knew there were audio and video recordings?

The report said audio and video recordings of the interactions supported the officers' testimony that Todashev confessed to some involvement in the homicides, but the recordings were stopped just before the attack, which Ashton found unsuspicious.​

"The explanation for stopping the recordings just prior to the attack is also supported by the records of phone calls made just after the recording ceases and moments before the attack begins and I find nothing suspicious in that," Ashton wrote.​

 

[i.b.nora]

http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79718980/

Ashton.

 

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Here is the letter from Ashton to FBI Director with more details.... including a text that was sent and DNA testing that confirmed the source of some blood stains was the FBI agent "struck prior to the shots being fired".

Read the Ashton letter to FBI Director James Comey

 

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http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79718980/

Ashton.

Thank you... more details:

The investigators asked Todashev about a variety of topics, but when they inquired about the triple murder near Boston, they said, Todashev's demeanor changed.

He started fidgeting, smoking heavily and repeatedly looked around the room. He asked how much jail time he was facing and if this would be the last time he could smoke.

This so concerned one of the troopers that he texted a warning to the other two officers in the room: "Be on guard. He is in vulnerable position to do something bad. Be on guard now. I see him looking around at times."

When Todashev left the room to wash his hands in the restroom, one of the troopers took a sword off the wall and hid the item.
Despite Todashev's behavior, authorities said he began writing a confession to his involvement in the triple-homicide.

One trooper stepped outside prior to the shooting "to call a prosecutor in Boston, to explain [Todashev] had confessed to a role in the triple homicide."

It wasn't long after the trooper sent his warning text to the others, that Todashev threw a coffee table and struck the FBI agent on the head.

 

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I'm quoting this because it has links to reports:

The findings of the DOJ's Civil Rights Division are in this 16-page report. A 161-page report released by the Florida State Attorney can be found here. And a five-page summary of that report is here. It's important to understand the narrow scope of these investigative efforts: they concern not whether the FBI and Massachusetts State Police acted wisely, appropriately, or negligently on the night in question, but whether those present are criminally liable.

Both reports conclude that the killing occurred in self-defense and find insufficient evidence to justify any criminal charges or additional investigation of the shooting.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...e-questions/359601/?google_editors_picks=true

From the report:

The paper tablet with Todashev’s incomplete written statement lay on the floor of the living room (Attachment A, Item 1) between the mattress on which Todashev had been sitting and the chair in which the agent had been sitting. It consisted of a half page of handwritten information that corroborated some of what Todashev admitted in the audio/video recordings regarding the triple homicide. The last sentence that Todashev wrote on the tablet of paper specifically related conduct by him that acknowledged complicity in the crime.

They do seem to have multiple corroboration that Ibragim wrote the statement and it appears as if they have more than that on audio/video. Again, I hope this sheds light on the Waltham murders and can be corroborated with other evidence.

I still can't understand why they were interviewing Ibragim in his apartment. Maybe he did not want to go to the police station and they did not want to compel him to do that? Anyone know the explanation for all this... it could be in the long report somewhere, IDK. While I don't think any criminal act was committed, I sincerely have to question this set-up.

Also, did Ibragim ever think about getting an attorney? I think it depends on what his involvement was in the Waltham murders, but he may have had a bargaining chip to get a lesser sentence if he cooperated if he say, only drove the car there or some other limited involvement. Perhaps his reaction tells us that he was too involved or was one of the killers, but I wonder if his reaction could also be a mixture of authority/police paranoia because of where he came from and his penchance for over reacting/reacting with violence.

 

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http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/...todashev-confession-before-shot-by-fbi-agent/

Picture of written note at link, but here is the transcript:

My name is IBRAGIM TODASHEV
I wanna tell the story about the robbery
me and Tam did in Waltham in September
of 2011. That was [?] by Tamerlan.
[?] [?] he [?] to me to rob
the drug dealers. We went to their
house we got in there and Tam had
a gun he pointed it [?] the guy that
opened the door for us [?]
we went upstairs into the house
[?] 3 guys in there [?] we put them
on the ground and then we [?]
[?] taped their hands up

 

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Here is an analysis of the note raising questions in relation to the Waltham murder:

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/...escription-triple-murder-todashev-confession/