FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #11

[Skully]

Suspects.

I have re-evaluated my theories.

I believe Jennifer was murdered by someone she knew.
There are two possible suspects. One an ex boyfriend the other a person from her workplace.

Jennifer went out of her own free will after the phone call at 9:57.
The clothes on her bed were not there to choose a garment for work but rather to select a garment to wear out that night.
She also wore her favourite pumps.

She took her briefcase for convenience in carrying her wallet, ipod and phone . She grabbed her car keys and headed out the door. To eternity, sadly.

She didn't drive far, probably to the vicinity of Windermere. There her fate awaited her.

There is a young woman on another site who has done a lot of work on this mystery and it is from the information there I formulated this theory.

Interestingly it is stated the 'other' cell phone ran out of power over the weekend. That would be the weekend after the abduction.

It is time for the OPD to apply some heat to the suspects.

Some suspects have been cleared by polygraph. I don't have much faith in them. Didn't the Green River Killer pass a polygraph test?

I am confused by the cloths still on the bed. If in fact she went out, for a date, why are the cloths still on the bed? She had a long trip and worked all day, the shower is wet in the late am when parents get there. Bag unpacked. I am not sure that she took the shower, but I do think she was interrupted that night after the phone call at 9pm. It would be very brazen to kidnap her, then return for a shower, but that is what it looks like. There is no sign of a struggle, so something or someone happened to make her leave her apartment.

She takes out trash, some one is waiting.
She goes back out to her car, some one is waiting.
She gets a knock on the door, someone is waiting.

Who ever this is, they know she is alone, and she is home. They also take her car and return it. They know no one is with her inside. So did they stalk her? Did she work with them? Did they live in the condos? I don't think the person who returned the car is her killer. I think he was paid to do a favor. He is the one person other than the killer, who knows who he is.

 

[Skully]

I had another look at the Disappeared show titled Girl Interrupted. (Jennifer Kesse)

In the police evidence room there were seven binders and a box (murder book?) with JK's name on them.
That is a lot of information.

The box had this written on it:

"Files from statewide prosecutor......copies."

Surely there must be suspects names amongst this stuff.

I Would guess, that most of the books are leads people called in. They did a lot of searches too and that is all documented. Also any person that they talked to, her family, co workers, friends, neighbors, that is all recorded somewhere. Then you have the whole investigation, from the first call, that is your murder book. You also have all the photos of the apartment, the car, stills of the video. You have anything you sent to a lab, FDLE, or other places. I think seven is about right.

 

[Skully]

Why not? She was a young woman at the peak of her powers.
It appears her boyfriend didn't commit to their relationship as she would have liked.

Did the opportunity for a romantic liaison suddenly appear? I don't have the answer to that.

We human beings have a habit of not behaving as others think we would/should.

And finally, working on the theory of her being abducted in the morning has got this case nowhere in close to eleven years.
I think we need to be 'looking outside the square.'

You are right that people think we should/would act a certain way, but we are trying to make sense out of some thing that doesn't make sense. She was not a high risk victim. She lived a cautious life. People probably knew that about her. She is the last person that should be on this forum. So I do feel that it was someone in her circle of aquatints that she knew. Maybe she happened to tell about her plans and when she would be coming home. Some one that knew she lived alone and recognized family or BF cars. If they aren't there, she is alone. I wish I knew how to solve this, I have thought about her for years. But just people posting and looking and blogging, that helps. It puts out a positive spirit, and helps to bring it to light. I just keep praying, hoping.....

 

[Shin Masamura]

Why not? She was a young woman at the peak of her powers.
It appears her boyfriend didn't commit to their relationship as she would have liked.

Did the opportunity for a romantic liaison suddenly appear? I don't have the answer to that.

We human beings have a habit of not behaving as others think we would/should.

And finally, working on the theory of her being abducted in the morning has got this case nowhere in close to eleven years.
I think we need to be 'looking outside the square.'

Interesting point as it reminded me of my sister. She had been in a serious relationship for a number of years with no commitment and it lead to a lot of issues. Couple that in Jennifer's situation, the distance factor and they came back from a vacation and no proposal.

Now this is all speculation. What if there was someone else she had been seeing and instead of being in bed talking to Rob, she was getting ready around 9pm/10pm to meet this other person since its her full first day back in Orlando at her apartment and hasn't seen this person in a week. Couple that with her mister(ress), not a word I know, knows she was away with her man and is jealous, typical 3rd wheel limbo stuff. That would explain shower, laying out clothes for the next day (not having to worry about it in the morning), getting off with Rob at 10pm, 40 minute rendezvous /argument/ incident with unknown POI, then phone battery on both phone disconnected. Next day gets a little foggy with the car issue being dropped off and the alleged track back to the apartment.

As stated by others, I think it was some she knows because what would show no force entry, get her out of her house , and rip the battery out of both phones prior to the morning.

 

[marable]

She only had to take her trash to just outside the door....

Could she have been on trying on clothes the night before because she had gained a little weight while on vacation?

 

[marable]

Jennifer glasses were found by her bed.
Her contact lenses were not in the case, meaning she wore them.
if she went to bed why would she wear contacts?
she was planning to go out at night or she went to work in the morning.

The fact that her contacts were never found could mean that she had not removed them yet on Monday night or she inserted them on Tuesday morning.....I was thinking her glasses were found on her vanity when the Kesse's arrived.....I am thinking that Joyce commented about her eyeglasses in an interview I listened to....At night she usually kept them on her bedside table....Could be wrong about the eyeglasses or perhaps two different versions are floating around....

 

[marable]

Did Jennifer run into James Hataway?

How many workers noticed her car at Mosaic that morning? Remember, there were very few cars there.

The landscapers on Tuesday stated they never saw Jennifer or her car...

Blink says that Jennifer's car was not seen at The Mosaic after 6:30 am , don't know her source or if one of the people who lived at The Mosaic that she interviewed or who....

 

[rd_jfc]

The landscapers on Tuesday stated they never saw Jennifer or her car...

Blink says that Jennifer's car was not seen at The Mosaic after 6:30 am , don't know her source or if one of the people who lived at The Mosaic that she interviewed or who....

That's probably another way of saying the landscapers started work at 6:30.

 

[rd_jfc]

I had been doing some research a few months ago and found these pictures in my archives. I was going to do an exhaustive search of bike helmet brands to find a close match and realized I already had it on file from my previous searching last summer. Pluses in addition to matching the shape are a neck strap that could be the ring around his neck and police logoed models.

That link was to a little page with four small pictures, but people must be averse to clicking on a link (or just don't want to see it), so I'll embed here:

These are Rudy Project bike helmets. I also saw Giro models that are close. What would help is feedback about these brands and any preference known by any security or law enforcement, for example the Rudy Project has models for police. The POI may very well be an imposter and the gear may be his own selection, but any association known for use would help identify his influences.

I will work next on the holster. The upper strand of the thigh straps separating to anchor both top of holster and side is very distinctive. The holster also is relatively narrow like an X26 holster, not a big wide unit as is usually seen in pictures of drop down holsters.

And maybe that distinctive strapping would point to some other type of holder than a holster. Also I saw some videos of reworking holster webbing to suit the wearer's preferences. It may not come that way but maybe that V anchor is a gun enthusiast's mod to the holster strapping. Certainly I can expect something like that for bike patrol security. I haven't seen that V yet though.

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[marable]

That's probably another way of saying the landscapers started work at 6:30.

Drew said the landscapers got there at around 7:30 am the eight months that he and Joyce lived in Jennifer's condo...

 

[TexasT]

Why not? She was a young woman at the peak of her powers.
It appears her boyfriend didn't commit to their relationship as she would have liked.

Did the opportunity for a romantic liaison suddenly appear? I don't have the answer to that.

We human beings have a habit of not behaving as others think we would/should.

And finally, working on the theory of her being abducted in the morning has got this case nowhere in close to eleven years.
I think we need to be 'looking outside the square.'

Is this conjecture ? By all accounts the vacation went well . I never heard of her being jolted by a non proposal ?

Was the disagreement with Rob more then he makes it out to be ? Don't know , but if she was upset enough to go meet someone there should be a record of phone calls / text with that person , and they would know .

 

[Myserty64]

I think it was ' she told him she loved him but he never said he loved her.'
However only two people know what was really said and one of those has been missing for almost eleven years.

Most are driven to conjecture because there sure isn't much in the way of 'facts' around. What LE has stated publicly could be written in block letters on a tiny piece of paper.

In MHO this case is a text book example of what an investigation looks like that was bungled from the get-go.
Just the way I see it.

 

[rd_jfc]

I think it was ' she told him she loved him but he never said he loved her.'
However only two people know what was really said and one of those has been missing for almost eleven years.

Most are driven to conjecture because there sure isn't much in the way of 'facts' around. What LE has stated publicly could be written in block letters on a tiny piece of paper.

In MHO this case is a text book example of what an investigation looks like that was bungled from the get-go.
Just the way I see it.

In my opinion, we now know pretty much everything Orlando Police knows, and if what the Kesse's said is still true, the case is not being investigated. I would say any PI / websleuthers would take the case further than where's it at.

I would include with that that where the cell phones were detected being powered off were within a mile and a half of her condo, not 10 miles away in Windermere for example. I would not believe that tower location away from her home was where the last detection was and yet have no focus on that area by police as soon as they knew.

I think clues in the POI pictures are about all there is to go on.

 

[Myserty64]

I often wondered about the worth of a cold case team looking at this mystery.

Many, many times when watching a crime show with a crack cold case squad in action I hear the words " reviewing the case files the cold case detective saw something the investigating detectives had missed.'

Wishing and hoping..........................!

 

[marable]

In my opinion, we now know pretty much everything Orlando Police knows, and if what the Kesse's said is still true, the case is not being investigated. I would say any PI / websleuthers would take the case further than where's it at.

I would include with that that where the cell phones were detected being powered off were within a mile and a half of her condo, not 10 miles away in Windermere for example. I would not believe that tower location away from her home was where the last detection was and yet have no focus on that area by police as soon as they knew.

I think clues in the POI pictures are about all there is to go on.

Supposedly there are detectives from across the nation convened in Orlando and elsewhere yearly that spend the day looking over all of the evidence that has been collected on Jennifer's case and other cold cases ...Sure wish something would "click" for just one of the detectives so that this case and others could be solved....

 

[marable]

LE generally doesn't believe in coincidences.

The fact that her abduction occurred immediately after her weekend trip and immediately after her brother and his friends (including her ex) stayed in her condo was surely too much of a coincidence.

The older I get the less that I believe in coincidences as well.....

I have often asked myself if it was just a coincidence that she had just returned from her vacation and disappeared....

 

[Markybug]

Its all too planned to be random or a stranger i think ..

 

[rd_jfc]

Its all too planned to be random or a stranger i think ..

Finding and powering off both the cell phones in her possession is the mark of preparation for an encounter that they are seeking.

It would be a rare passion murder that includes that level of mental preparation.

Also I see constantly references to she was alone and someone knew. She was alone every night. Whoever would have known it all along. Now the thing about being upset about a weekend away has slightly more merit, but if memory serves she went down to spend the weekend frequently. That also was not something unusual.

What is different is she had a cell phone left in her home that the owner requested to be overnighted to him. Pure and simple.

This significant factor has always been dismissed as 1) her family doesn't believe she would venture back outside at 10 pm, 2) she told her brother she wasn't sending it tonight, 3) she didn't care about it that much supposedly, and 4) she was sending from work anyway.

While the last two were info from a post from someone close to the family, I never got a firm response that Jennifer had used her company mailing room for sending a package, including overnighting the package. Any number of people have said, sure, she would do that, what I would like to hear is that she had already done it and therefore had established that that is a method she would use. Firm questions like that rarely get an answer.

Also unknown back then to me was that her ex boyfriend who had stayed in her condo that weekend with her brother and the phone's owner, and who had expressed more than a little unhappiness about their breakup, and I would be surprised if her brother didn't mention this in their call, was at a nearby bar in the mall. That and the cell phone are two reasons to go over there if she even had an inkling he might be there, although we would all expect in one respect that she would call first, in another I'm not sure she necessarily would have wanted to make that call first.

So coming back from a weekend and being alone are two red herrings. It's what she did different that matters, and that wasn't different.

 

[Markybug]

Finding and powering off both the cell phones in her possession is the mark of preparation for an encounter that they are seeking.

It would be a rare passion murder that includes that level of mental preparation.

Also I see constantly references to she was alone and someone knew. She was alone every night. Whoever would have known it all along. Now the thing about being upset about a weekend away has slightly more merit, but if memory serves she went down to spend the weekend frequently. That also was not something unusual.

What is different is she had a cell phone left in her home that the owner requested to be overnighted to him. Pure and simple.

This significant factor has always been dismissed as 1) her family doesn't believe she would venture back outside at 10 pm, 2) she told her brother she wasn't sending it tonight, 3) she didn't care about it that much supposedly, and 4) she was sending from work anyway.

While the last two were info from a post from someone close to the family, I never got a firm response that Jennifer had used her company mailing room for sending a package, including overnighting the package. Any number of people have said, sure, she would do that, what I would like to hear is that she had already done it and therefore had established that that is a method she would use. Firm questions like that rarely get an answer.

Also unknown back then to me was that her ex boyfriend who had stayed in her condo that weekend with her brother and the phone's owner, and who had expressed more than a little unhappiness about their breakup, and I would be surprised if her brother didn't mention this in their call, was at a nearby bar in the mall. That and the cell phone are two reasons to go over there if she even had an inkling he might be there, although we would all expect in one respect that she would call first, in another I'm not sure she necessarily would have wanted to make that call first.

So coming back from a weekend and being alone are two red herrings. It's what she did different that matters, and that wasn't different.

Is the pub in the mall close? Has she frequented it before , do we know?

Do you think the work suspect scrapping his car soon after her disappearance has any significance?

 

[Myserty64]

Stunning point about the car being scrapped.

Does anyone have a clue as to where her cell phone last pinged?

LE knows and so too does another site but the owner there has withheld that information.