FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #12

[DD Byrd]

Two questions:

1) Do we know where the nearest Fed Ex to her apt of office was at that time? (and whether Fed Ex picked up at her office)
2) Was she in the habit of getting to the office extra early on meeting days? She apparently had an important one that day, might she have been meeting someone early to go over a presentation, etc?

 

[htiff]

I don't know about Fedex. All the post offices were about 1/2 an hours drive, out of her way. No mention that I've seen of her leaving early for meetings.

The phone she was supposed to send for her brother's friend, was missing from her apartment, along with her phone, keys and purse.

Two questions:

1) Do we know where the nearest Fed Ex to her apt of office was at that time? (and whether Fed Ex picked up at her office)
2) Was she in the habit of getting to the office extra early on meeting days? She apparently had an important one that day, might she have been meeting someone early to go over a presentation, etc?

 

[TedMac]

I don't know about Fedex. All the post offices were about 1/2 an hours drive, out of her way. No mention that I've seen of her leaving early for meetings.

The phone she was supposed to send for her brother's friend, was missing from her apartment, along with her phone, keys and purse.

BBM Wasn't there a Fed-EX pickup at her office? I believe it was posted a while back that if she was going to use Fed-Ex delivery, she could do it from her office building.

 

[htiff]

That would make sense. Then she might not have needed to leave early.

BBM Wasn't there a Fed-EX pickup at her office? I believe it was posted a while back that if she was going to use Fed-Ex delivery, she could do it from her office building.

 

[htiff]

By the way, what does BBM mean?

BBM Wasn't there a Fed-EX pickup at her office? I believe it was posted a while back that if she was going to use Fed-Ex delivery, she could do it from her office building.

 

[TedMac]

By the way, what does BBM mean?

BBM=Bolded By Me

 

[Aking]

Bolded By Me

 

[htiff]

Ha! And what does that mean? Is it just to distinguish your manipulation of someone else's text, from their original posting of it?

BBM=Bolded By Me

 

[TedMac]

Ha! And what does that mean? Is it just to distinguish your manipulation of someone else's text, from their original posting of it?

It is used when you are responding to a specific portion of another's post. You bold the part you are responding to.

 

[JnRyan]

The chain on most if not all bikes is on the right side and that would be the leg side that would be banded,imo.

The right side is most likely to get messy due to the chain, but I found that depending on the pants and possible side winds it was wise to strap both sides. I couldn't get a good enough look at the right side to tell if it appeared the same.

 

[4SAM]

On the Disappeared episode, at the end the news reporter showed how dark her walk way was. Do you think just a random person would have grabbed her? I think it was someone that knew her, her routine.

 

[Rust Cohle]

If she didn't use her security system, why is it always talked about? Who started talking about it in the beginning? Why did they bring it up? Why is it an issue?

I thought I had replied to this over the weekend, but it looks like it didn't stick.

The alarm system was talked about early on out of speculation, like a lot of topics in this case. I believe part of the problem with this case, from an internet community aspect, is in 2006 a lot of folks were new to the internet, and treated what they read online as being the truth. A LOT of speculation has turned into what some believe factual information as the years have passed.

Also - The new podcast has confirmed what I thought about the alarm, she didn't use it, and didn't even know the codes.

On the Disappeared episode, at the end the news reporter showed how dark her walk way was. Do you think just a random person would have grabbed her? I think it was someone that knew her, her routine.

I think this case is a lot simpler than made out to be. My two thoughts are:

Construction workers: explains pretty much everything- the car, the bloodhound tracking, the POI's height.

Someone who knew her: Statistically this makes most sense, but the POI's height excludes the usual suspects (ex, stalker etc) and the reality of someone else paid to park the car is low.

 

[4SAM]

I thought I had replied to this over the weekend, but it looks like it didn't stick.

The alarm system was talked about early on out of speculation, like a lot of topics in this case. I believe part of the problem with this case, from an internet community aspect, is in 2006 a lot of folks were new to the internet, and treated what they read online as being the truth. A LOT of speculation has turned into what some believe factual information as the years have passed.

Also - The new podcast has confirmed what I thought about the alarm, she didn't use it, and didn't even know the codes.



I think this case is a lot simpler than made out to be. My two thoughts are:

Construction workers: explains pretty much everything- the car, the bloodhound tracking, the POI's height.

Someone who knew her: Statistically this makes most sense, but the POI's height excludes the usual suspects (ex, stalker etc) and the reality of someone else paid to park the car is low.

I side with you on the construction workers. On your own opinion, where do you think they put her? Do you believe in any of the trafficking theories?

 

[Rust Cohle]

I side with you on the construction workers. On your own opinion, where do you think they put her? Do you believe in any of the trafficking theories?

I would bet the crime scene was in a vacant condo, and she is still on the Mosiac property or very close by. I think her leaving the grounds with the excess renovation materials would be too risky. Heartbreaking to think about.

LEO should have looked for workers who were missing, lived onsite or contractors scheduled to have completed their project/jobs leading up to the week of her missing.


Being trafficked is highly unlikely.

 

[4SAM]

Would the scent of a body still be there?

 

[rd_jfc]

I would bet the crime scene was in a vacant condo, and she is still on the Mosiac property or very close by. I think her leaving the grounds with the excess renovation materials would be too risky. Heartbreaking to think about.

LEO should have looked for workers who were missing, lived onsite or contractors scheduled to have completed their project/jobs leading up to the week of her missing.


Being trafficked is highly unlikely.

and this construction worker drove her car to HOTG just as staff and family were starting to look for her and then walked back down the road over a mile because he's so sophisticated? And disposed of her body in a nearby construction site in broad daylight?

And didn't leave a crime scene anywhere? That's a remarkable construction worker, or anyone for that matter.

 

[DD Byrd]

That should read wildly "unlikely" - why can't I edit and only get the Delete Post option?

 

[DD Byrd]

That's still assuming the POI on the tape had anything to do with her disappearance itself and not just moving the car. He seems way too nonchalant and/or unconcerned/stupid...but most likely oblivious to the ramifications of what he's doing. (I'm using "he" here even though there is still no consensus on even that.)

IMO, even an illegal wouldn't consciously risk being caught on tape. Added to the fact I think most people would assume, even back in 2006, that there would a camera SOMEWHERE along his walk even if he knew the one that ultimately captured him was sketchy....I'm left with..."I don't want to be recognized by ANYONE, and there is probably a camera SOMEWHERE between the two points, I think I'll stroll down the sidewalk MIDDAY and (possibly) look back... while I'm at it, I'll carefully park a car that has no meaning to me whatsoever because I'm betting on not being recognized?" To me, it's much more likely "I'm going to park this car carefully because I was asked to move it to a certain place for $20 (and if it's scratched guy that paid me might find me again if he knows me from somewhere)...and then I'll mosey to wherever it is I'm headed." When he THEN possibly heard/saw this on the news, then the idea of an illegal clamming up makes sense - AND would have been counted on by the abductor/ killer. I think you'd only agree to be an accessory if you knew you were on the next train to (pick a country).

It's certainly possible that she was abducted in the early morning dimness and kept at a different condo. It just seems wildly unlikely as it's riskier for the involved and more likely that someone would crack (or give up info for their own benefit). And statistically the victim knows the person etc., etc.

 

[4SAM]

But the big question is, where could they have disposed of a body without being seen? The field behind was searched numerous times, dug up and searched again. I agree, someone will eventually crack and spill the facts, just not sure when and by whom. And her parents said that she was a very safe person, but why was her can of mace left in her apartment? They said she had it always.

 

[rd_jfc]

I'm going to have to switch my attention to some other things for awhile due to impending deadline. I have gone without posting on Jennifer's case for years at a time and nothing much changes, I hope that's not the case this time.

Ther are a couple of items that make the unlikely construction worker abducts Jennifer and drives off and then returns to work walking down Americana from a mile away where he parked her car even more unlikely.

One is the info that Jennifer's father posted that he was told that both phones were disabled at 10:40 pm. Unless and until we find out that that is bogus information then she wasn't around in the morning, and quite frankly there is no information that she was around that morning other than family's perception of wetness in the shower. And for that matter we don't know that the abductor didn't use the shower.

Second is what I found in the POI images. It doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense, we have to accept what is, not bias our perception to what we expect. Isolate the head and enlarge it (or just use my work) and display on a large screen tv and you won't see a deviation from a perfectly formed bike helmet. There is no hair bun that perfect.

Look at the thigh below the gate keylock and see the perfectly formed thigh and belt straps and holster. This is solid perfection, not something you can wish away. Look at the security guard ad picture, enlarged same as the POI image, and see everything I found in that image, about as close a replica as you can get.

Until the POI is dealt with by identifying the gear found in the picture then this case isn't going to go any further than when I found this stuff in 2007.

rd