FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #13

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Below is a Google maps screenshot to show the location of the witness in relation to Jenn's condo and the HOTG, where her car was found.

The red circle is the entrance to Jennifer's condo complex and Moxie Blvd., where the witness was stopped at the stop sign waiting to turn right when she saw the swerving black 4-door Chevy Malibu.

I also marked the HOTG to include all of Downing St. It has two entrances/exits onto Texas.


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[Truth Prevails]

This is the end of them for a while, I promise.

The next 4 images offer a circular 2007 view of the Mosaic entrance and Moxie Blvd. I've left all the compass finder info and the little location finder box on the bottom left.

I picture it as standing in the center of the (large) intersection and facing the Mosaic entrance at 12 o'clock noon. Then turn clockwise at 3, 6 (facing Moxie), & 9.

I don't see any restrictions on left or right turns, though. Even in 2007, Conroy appears to have been four lanes, so it was a very wide road. I hope some of the views capture it. Sorry about the truck somewhat blocking the view of Moxie Blvd.


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[Myserty64]

That settles it for me. It was a morning abduction.

'Juliet's' report comes across as a truthful account of what she and her husband saw that morning.
What happened after that is the great and disturbing mystery.
(except for the POI or perpetrator parking the car at HOTG.)
Were the phones thrown into water? They don't work too good in that environment.

 

[Baddux]

All good points about the lack of a struggle, or possible crime scene, but the thing that tips it for me into a "foul play" situation is that someone - not known to/recognized by anyone in Jennifer's circle - parked Jennifer's car at HOG and left. It's unlikely the POI had permission to move her car. So something happened. I definitely do not believe a self-harm theory is at all tenable.

I definitely agree there is evidence to suggest foul play as a potential outcome in this case. There just isn't enough evidence to rule out anything from what we know. I also think that exploring alternative outcomes is even more important when you have a family on a crusade (even a righteous one) pushing really hard in one direction.

In this case, some people are heavily invested in this being the mysterious abduction and disappearance of a pretty girl who had everything going for her. The confirmation bias is overwhelming and frankly limiting in terms of evaluating what is known.

 

[flgrl017]

I'm jumping in without a link but I'll find something if necessary.

It's been said that when Jennifer and Travis talked that evening she told him that he had quite a few calls. IIRC she gave him all the particulars and he was going to handle his calls with a second cell phone that he had. Travis' cell phone was almost out of power at that point and I believe Jennifer turned it off as she had no way of charging it. It only made its "final" ping as it was being destroyed--nothing between the time Jennifer turned it off and the "final" ping. That's what they used to say, anyway. No confirmation of the time Jennifer turned it off or even if she did.

It's interesting that a Nextel phone has a walkie-talkie feature. First I'm hearing of that. Also, IIRC, Travis had two cell phones. One for work, and one for personal use. He lent his work phone to Logan because Logan had apparently forgotten to bring the charger for his cell phone. It was actually Logan who forgot Travis' business phone at Jennifer's condo.

With all due respect to Mr. Kesse, I don't think he understood anything about cell towers and I would guess that's mostly because he didn't want to. Or he was hoping to confuse us.

When he started going on about how could she be up there and down here, I think he was referring to the actual location of the cell towers instead of looking at where the phone was in relation to the radius of the tower. Each tower has a radius of about 20 miles of coverage (more in some areas) and the coverage is designed to overlap with other towers so that cell phone usage is not interrupted as the cell phone leaves the coverage of one cell tower and enters the coverage of another tower.

She wasn't sitting underneath each tower. Her cell phone was traveling between towers. Was she with it? She most likely was not home sleeping.

She was 24 years old and it was only around 10:00 pm when the pings started showing movement. That's not the middle of the night.

I’ve also had this thought. She could have easily moved from 1 circle to the other and that could explain it.

 

[flgrl017]

If LE would have had solid evidence that Jennifer was abducted in her condo or on her way to her vehicle, they could have gotten search warrants and searched each and every unit. It was the fact that they had no evidence.


Thank you for this. I didn't have this understanding until you posted it. The Kesses said that there were only 5 units (including Jennifer's, IIRC) occupied in her building. They must have been referring to the building in total, do you think? I can only remember 2--the pedophile, supposedly only a few doors down, and the lady directly underneath Jennifer that didn't hear a thing--evening or morning. (I lost my notes on this).


Yeah, they change these details all around often. It's hard to say what's true.

I don't think they were passing out flyers by 4:30 on the 24th. Listen to KE's interview on the House of Broken Dreams podcast. She's a female electrical engineer. I would think her memory of the events is pretty good.

Maid of Honor - E8

Podcast Episode · House of Broken Dreams: The Jennifer Kesse Story · S1 E8 · 31m

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This is a short transcript of a "talk" on Jennifer's behalf that Mr. and Mrs. Kesse did. Mr. Kesse makes the brief statement that Joyce Kesse was also called on the 24th. He makes it sound as if the same person called them both, but I heard Mrs. Kesse give a different interview and she said they were each called by separate people. Mr. Kesse was called by his friend (TD), and Mrs. Kesse was called by someone in Human Resources because Jennifer had named her as an emergency contact. Anyway, for what it's worth I'll link the little bit I have as it isn't really common knowledge, or at least it's not accepted.

Snipped unofficial transcript:
Drew Kesse: The next day, January 24, 2006, Tuesday morning, about 11:00 am or 11:30 am, I work out of my home and I received a call from one of my friends who Jennifer worked for [not clear] corporation. He asked if everything, if everything was okay with Jennifer. She had not been into work that morning and she had some appointments that she needed to attend to. And I said, no, but I’ll find out what happened. I spoke with her last night—everything’s cool. So I hung up the phone and I called Jennifer’s cell phone and for the first time since she was 15 years old and we gave Jennifer her cell phone for the car, it went directly into voice mail. It didn’t ring 4 times, it went directly into voice mail and at that second, we knew something was wrong. So I immediately called Joyce and Joyce had gotten a call, too, from our friend and she was at work. I sped out of the house with my son Logan and we went up and picked Joyce up at work and we were on our way out to Orlando almost immediately.

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I'll just add here that it's been said that Mr. Kesse was at their home where they currently reside, but Mrs. Kesse was in Tampa. I believe she was at Staples making photocopies for a meeting that she had a little later that morning.

Logan was just leaving the gym when his mother called and told him but he returned to the residence where his father was. I believe Logan took his own vehicle but followed his father to Tampa. Mr. Kesse picked up Mrs. Kesse and Logan picked up TB (that's where he lived). I'm pretty sure that's how it worked. The times are a little sketchy though. I don't think they want it to be common knowledge what time they were notified. Just my opinion.

If you know what interview I'm talking about, I'd appreciate a hint as to where I could find it. I'd like to hear it again.

I hate to acknowledge it but he got lucky no matter when he did it. He's had the 17 years that he took from Jennifer. The SOB.

I’m not sure which 5 units they’re referring to. If they’re all on Jennifer’s side of the building, I’ve heard she had 1 upstairs, 1 downstairs, and 1 neighbor on her floor. If you include Jennifer that would be 4 units right there. He may be referring to her side only and be off by 1.

From my notes, Drew mentions Logan at the gym in here:

https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/crime-stories-with-nancy-grace-243994/episodes/jennifer-kesses-family-pleads-36796222

Now that I think about it I’ve heard him go more into it somewhere. I just didn’t note it. It may be in one of the first few HOBD episodes, but I’m not certain.

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Here is the interview Drew did where he said they were passing out fliers by 4:30. I agree. The times change so they they either don’t want us to know exactly for some reason or were too stressed out that day to remember.

 

[flgrl017]

Hmmmm, too many people with keys. I wouldn't like people wandering around with keys to my residence. So where was Jennifer taken.
Inside her condo?
Outside her condo?
At her car?
Inside her car?
Outside a night club?
Or someplace else?

Someplace else. Somewhere close to where her final ping was.

 

[flgrl017]

So this is pertinent to comments a page or two back. I looked up the 2007 image for Moxie and the Mosaic entrance.
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I'll add a transcript from the House of Broken Dreams podcast to support the location, (hopefully). I bolded the important part but I thought I would add the portion of the interview I transcribed. It's interesting.

I'm sure she is a very nice lady. ("Juliet" is not her real name. The podcaster chose it to protect her identity).

House of Broken Dreams Podcast
A Witness Speaks
November 11, 2020/Link at bottom of the transcript
Voiceover: “Juliet” was in a hurry. Her husband, a cancer patient, was late for his radiation treatment at a local clinic. She drank her coffee, locked the house, and got behind the wheel of her car with her husband in the passenger seat.

The pair drove through their development in the heart of Orlando coming to a stop sign at the intersection of Moxie Blvd. and Conroy Road. As “Juliet” flicked her right turn signal, she saw something. Her husband saw it, too.

Across the road at Mosaic at Millenia where Jennifer lived a car was driving erratically.

“Juliet”: “We stopped at the stop sign and we saw a black Malibu. It was a 4-door, and we saw a struggle in the car as if someone was taking the steering wheel out of someone’s hand. We didn’t stay to watch which way they went because of my husband’s first day of radiation for his prostate cancer.

Voiceover: The car was a black Chevy Malibu identical “Juliet” says to the one belonging to Jennifer that she would later see plastered all over the news.

But at that intersection on that morning, as “Juliet” hurried to make that right turn no one knew a young woman was about to disappear.

“Juliet”: “My morning began about 6:00 am. That morning because my husband had just been diagnosed with prostate cancer, and he had an appointment at 8:30. So we began to leave out of our driveway, we lived on Snowflake Court at the time, and we began to take Snowflake to Troubador to Moxie which is directly in front of the Mosaic complex.

And I can tell you it was clearly that morning between 7:00 am and 7:30 am.

Voiceover: This was around the same time that Jennifer typically left for work.

Question by podcaster: So you were at that intersection, which I’ve actually been to that intersection and you’re, you’re about to pull out from the intersection and then across that two-way road, you see a car that looks like Jennifer’s coming out of the Mosaic apartments. And were you able to see what the driver looked like and the passenger? What did you observe?

“Juliet”: I did not because the car, you could tell the car was steering from side to side; that there was some type of struggle going on inside the car.

Question by podcaster: I see. So, the car was moving sort of toward the intersection and it was moving in a way that was erratic or …

“Juliet”: Correct. That’s the correct word I would use—erratic.

Question by podcaster: You make this observation and what did you say to your husband or what did you two discuss?

“Juliet”: Actually, my husband said, ‘it seems like somebody’s hiding in that car’. He said, ‘if we had time, we would call the police and I said to him, ‘we don’t have time because you’ve got to go. It’s your first day of radiation.' That’s why we did not stay at the stop sign to see which way the car turned because we was rushing to try to get on the other side of town for his first day of radiation.

Question by podcaster: So, when you turned to go on your way was the car still at the intersection?

“Juliet”: Yes. Yes, when we made our right turn the car was still in the intersection of the Mosaic.

Question by podcaster: And you are certain that it was a black Chevy Malibu?

“Juliet”: I’m one hundred percent certain.

Question by podcaster: But from where you were you were not able to see if it was a woman driving or a man driving.

“Juliet”: I honestly could not tell you.

Voiceover: Sitting in the waiting room of the doctor’s office Juliet couldn’t stop thinking about the swerving black Malibu. Neither could her husband.

Question by podcaster: Did you guys talk at all during the day about what you had seen or you kind of just dismissed it?

“Juliet”: No, we actually talked about it cause we didn’t know what happened. We were like I wonder if somebody was hiding. Matter of fact, I even pulled up on the news to see if there was any accidents reported in the area. There was no accidents reported in the area so we did often wonder what happened that day.

Question by podcaster: How many people were in the car in total?

“Juliet”: That I could not tell. I don’t know. Have you ever been to the Mosaic? But when you are coming out of the Mosaic, when you are coming out of their gate, and you pull towards to front they are not actually up to the road yet like we were. So, they were a little bit back as they were just coming out of the complex. But we can still see the car, what kind of car it was but we could not see the people inside of the car because of the distance it was from our stop sign.

A Witness Speaks - E5

Podcast Episode · House of Broken Dreams: The Jennifer Kesse Story · S1 E5 · 16m

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Do we know when they reported this?

 

[flgrl017]

These next two images are of the entrance to the Mosaic in 2007 and in 2022. I tried to get a close-up of the booth. I didn't do so great but I'll post them anyway.

In the 2007 image, there appears to be a huge pole light over the booth. I wonder if that was there in 2006? I can't see any sign of it in 2022, but the trees might be hiding it.

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The light is still there. I adjusted the photo and circled it.

 

[flgrl017]

Below is a Google maps screenshot to show the location of the witness in relation to Jenn's condo and the HOTG, where her car was found.

The red circle is the entrance to Jennifer's condo complex and Moxie Blvd., where the witness was stopped at the stop sign waiting to turn right when she saw the swerving black 4-door Chevy Malibu.

I also marked the HOTG to include all of Downing St. It has two entrances/exits onto Texas.

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It’s such a busy area. I don’t see how someone else didn’t notice this. Right out of your screen shot is I-4 too.

 

[flgrl017]

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Both Drew and Logan mention him being at the gym during the first episode.

 

[Truth Prevails]

That settles it for me. It was a morning abduction.

'Juliet's' report comes across as a truthful account of what she and her husband saw that morning.
What happened after that is the great and disturbing mystery.
(except for the POI or perpetrator parking the car at HOTG.)
Were the phones thrown into water? They don't work too good in that environment.

She comes across as a concerned citizen wanting to do the right thing, IMO. They tell us to do that, don't they? If you believe you've seen or heard something about a crime, call it in. Don't hesitate. We want to talk to you. Isn't that what they say?

So they worked with this lovely lady--prepping her, IMO. In the podcast, notice how the time seems a bit broad to encompass the possible time Jennifer may have been leaving for work.

Intending to make a right turn, she looks straight ahead across four lanes of heaving morning traffic and is able to distinguish a 4-door black Chevy Malibu driving erratically somewhere on the entrance/exit to the Mosaic but hasn't made it to the intersection.

Detectives are good at what they do. Wright wanted this testimony as he developed his "Chino" morning abduction theory so he worked with it as tunnel vision led him.

It's a good example of what happens when "facts are made to fit a scenario" rather than letting the evidence lead, IMO.

The theory went nowhere. It's been 17 years.

 

[Truth Prevails]

I’m not sure which 5 units they’re referring to. If they’re all on Jennifer’s side of the building, I’ve heard she had 1 upstairs, 1 downstairs, and 1 neighbor on her floor. If you include Jennifer that would be 4 units right there. He may be referring to her side only and be off by 1.

I suppose it's just me but that paints a picture of the condos having a higher occupancy rate than I had originally thought.

Here is the interview Drew did where he said they were passing out fliers by 4:30. I agree. The times change so they they either don’t want us to know exactly for some reason or were too stressed out that day to remember.

Respectfully snipped by me. Here is a snipped part of KE's interview. This is a very, very smart young woman. Her memory of events is most likely enviable.

Friend: Sitting there I remember waiting til I think it was like 6:00 pm and by then [redacted by me] was already at my apartment and I remember [redacted by me] was on her way. Everyone to come stay with me because it's like even 5 hours in, we all knew something was very wrong. This wasn't anyone that would ever just, just leave or not contact--there is no way. And obviously, it was for the reason it is still today. That someone abducted her, or something happened to her.
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So we all stayed in my apartment, and I remember going the next morning to help make flyers. I remember stopping by Kinkos to make flyers that her Dad had already drafted up.

Maid of Honor - E8

Podcast Episode · House of Broken Dreams: The Jennifer Kesse Story · S1 E8 · 31m

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So, it sounds like Mr. Kesse drafted them some time on the 24th. I suppose that doesn't exclude the possibility that they were able to hand out a rudimentary version by 4 pm on the 24th.

I ask myself, though, if they arrived at Jennifer's condo at 1 pm as the earliest possibility or at 3 pm as the latest possibility, (both times have been given) what could they have put together to hand out by 4 pm? (And I doubt that even a rudimentary version was possible by 4 pm if they got there at 3 pm).

And how did they not give a thought to the fact that they--just by being in her condo and allowing 14 or 15 people to enter and mull around--were likey destroying valuable evidence of Jennifer's last known movements?

Aren't flyers something law enforcement suggests the family do, mostly so they are not impeding the investigation? They are just not that important.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Do we know when they reported this?

I believe it wasn't reported until Jennifer's vehicle was located at HOTG. So, sometime on Thursday, the 26th.

This is a quote from Wright from the Oxygen special:
Wright: I received a tip early in the investigation--and this is the day that her car was found. It would be that Thursday. And they called and said we might have seen that car on Tuesday morning. And it was some people who lived across the street from where Jennifer lived. And they saw a car driving erratically coming out of that drive. And it was sometime shortly after 7:30. And that's why I go with the timeline.

 

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It’s such a busy area. I don’t see how someone else didn’t notice this. Right out of your screen shot is I-4 too.

During morning rush hour, too. Below is another screenshot of the area. This one is from Google Earth. I tried to pull out to show the I4.


The red lines indicate the lady's path from Snowflake to Moxie and then about where Jenn's vehicle would have left from her parking space to the entrance/exit of the Mosaic. The yellow lines are intended to highlight the 4 lanes of traffic on Conroy Road.

There would have been workers arriving at the Mosaic for their daily shifts at that time, too--besides other employed people leaving the complex for their daily commute. What about all the dog walkers? Where were they?

Why do I not believe that only one woman was able to see a black swerving 4-door Chevy Malibu?

I marked the HOTG in blue only because I like tormenting myself by looking at it for hours thinking she's right there somewhere. Somewhere. But where?

 

[arielilane]

Y’all are doing such great work here. The visuals are of great help too!

Question when you have the time.

I’ve not taken the time to read through all of the posts. However, concerning unconcluded podcast season 1 Episode 24 Unit 2226: Jennifer’s tenant moved into Mosaic Apr or May 2006 and someone during middle of night tried to get in the apartment with a key. Tenant's deadbolt was on so perpetrator did not get in. Tenant and boyfriend remained quiet and perp went away. Tenant and BF looked out back sliding glass door and noticed suburban or navigator with gentleman and a woman (not Jennifer) in it. Nothing came of it.

Additionally, there were other notations about duplicate keys and that others had easy access to these keys.

Questions:

Is it believed that the easy access to Mosaic condo keys is what may have contributed to the disappearance of Jennifer Kesse?

Or is it believed that Jennifer was abducted as she was getting into her vehicle?

moo

 

[flgrl017]

She comes across as a concerned citizen wanting to do the right thing, IMO. They tell us to do that, don't they? If you believe you've seen or heard something about a crime, call it in. Don't hesitate. We want to talk to you. Isn't that what they say?

So they worked with this lovely lady--prepping her, IMO. In the podcast, notice how the time seems a bit broad to encompass the possible time Jennifer may have been leaving for work.

Intending to make a right turn, she looks straight ahead across four lanes of heaving morning traffic and is able to distinguish a 4-door black Chevy Malibu driving erratically somewhere on the entrance/exit to the Mosaic but hasn't made it to the intersection.

Detectives are good at what they do. Wright wanted this testimony as he developed his "Chino" morning abduction theory so he worked with it as tunnel vision led him.

It's a good example of what happens when "facts are made to fit a scenario" rather than letting the evidence lead, IMO.

The theory went nowhere. It's been 17 years.

Eyewitness testimony can be unreliable. Since no one else saw this crazy driving black car and there wasn’t evidence of a struggle inside the car, I think this couple saw someone driving distracted. Drew said as recently as December 2020, in the Websleuths youtube live interview, that he doesn‘t think Jennifer got in the car that morning. Jennifer’s car was very easy to see into due to the windows not being tinted. She lived in a highly congested area. I will never believe that was her car. Other people would have noticed and there would have been more physical evidence found inside it, imo. I agree with your facts were made to fit the scenario comment.

 

[flgrl017]

I suppose it's just me but that paints a picture of the condos having a higher occupancy rate than I had originally thought.


Respectfully snipped by me. Here is a snipped part of KE's interview. This is a very, very smart young woman. Her memory of events is most likely enviable.

Friend: Sitting there I remember waiting til I think it was like 6:00 pm and by then [redacted by me] was already at my apartment and I remember [redacted by me] was on her way. Everyone to come stay with me because it's like even 5 hours in, we all knew something was very wrong. This wasn't anyone that would ever just, just leave or not contact--there is no way. And obviously, it was for the reason it is still today. That someone abducted her, or something happened to her.
...
So we all stayed in my apartment, and I remember going the next morning to help make flyers. I remember stopping by Kinkos to make flyers that her Dad had already drafted up.

Maid of Honor - E8

Podcast Episode · House of Broken Dreams: The Jennifer Kesse Story · S1 E8 · 31m

podcasts.apple.com

So, it sounds like Mr. Kesse drafted them some time on the 24th. I suppose that doesn't exclude the possibility that they were able to hand out a rudimentary version by 4 pm on the 24th.

I ask myself, though, if they arrived at Jennifer's condo at 1 pm as the earliest possibility or at 3 pm as the latest possibility, (both times have been given) what could they have put together to hand out by 4 pm? (And I doubt that even a rudimentary version was possible by 4 pm if they got there at 3 pm).

And how did they not give a thought to the fact that they--just by being in her condo and allowing 14 or 15 people to enter and mull around--were likey destroying valuable evidence of Jennifer's last known movements?

Aren't flyers something law enforcement suggests the family do, mostly so they are not impeding the investigation? They are just not that important.

In thread 10 there is a post that lists the occupancy rate of the complex as 250/447 which is 56%. For that to carry over into her building you would expect 15-16 condos occupied out of the 28, and between 7-8 on her side of the building. So her building or side had a lower occupancy rate than the rest of the complex.
I will try and listen to the podcast this week. I have workers in my house remodeling our basement so it may be next week before I get a chance. There is a quote from the Sentinel posted in thread 1 post 10 that has always led me to believe that they were out passing out something Tuesday night, but the newspaper has been wrong about other things. It said Bo went to her front door too and that wasn’t true. Here is the quote “By Tuesday night, they began distributing posters asking the public to help find the 5-feet, 8-inch tall, 135-pound blonde with green eyes.”

 

[flgrl017]

Y’all are doing such great work here. The visuals are of great help too!

Question when you have the time.

I’ve not taken the time to read through all of the posts. However, concerning unconcluded podcast season 1 Episode 24 Unit 2226: Jennifer’s tenant moved into Mosaic Apr or May 2006 and someone during middle of night tried to get in the apartment with a key. Tenant's deadbolt was on so perpetrator did not get in. Tenant and boyfriend remained quiet and perp went away. Tenant and BF looked out back sliding glass door and noticed suburban or navigator with gentleman and a woman (not Jennifer) in it. Nothing came of it.

Additionally, there were other notations about duplicate keys and that others had easy access to these keys.

Questions:

Is it believed that the easy access to Mosaic condo keys is what may have contributed to the disappearance of Jennifer Kesse?

Or is it believed that Jennifer was abducted as she was getting into her vehicle?

moo

We covered this earlier. The key theory has been discussed many times throughout the years. Basically for this scenario to be true, it’s going to require staging. Think about it. Jennifer is sleeping in bed and someone uses a key to access her condo. They attack her while sleeping. Not only are they going to have to leave no visible signs of a crime, they are also going to have to know how to stage her condo. She had clothes on the bed. It appeared that she had gotten ready (makeup, hair dryer, curling iron). Her contacts were even missing. Imo for someone to do this they would have to know Jennifer very well. It’s possible that someone Jennifer knew somehow got access to a key, I guess. I don’t think it’s very likely.

 

[FansBlowing]

The video of the suspect parking her car looks to me like he is wearing golf clothes. She went missing on January 23, 2006 and there was a golf tournament that weekend. Thousands Flock To Golfweek's Third Annual Golfest Orlando - The Golf Wire