FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #6

[UK Sleuth]

Rd I have to disagree I think people can get fixations pretty quick, we don’t know that some guy didn’t approach Jennifer, ask her out and she rejected him.

He then becomes angry when he learns of her boyfriend and enraged when she goes away with him for the weekend.

I’m sure plenty of women get asked out but don’t tell their partner as it could cause confrontation; maybe Jennifer did get approached/harassed but kept it to herself because she thought she could handle it.

This has been discussed a lot previously but I find it a huge coincidence that this occurred when Jennifer had just returned from her holiday with Rob.

My gut feeling is whoever did this knew Jennifer had been away and the jealousy became all too much for them.

It may have been someone who stalked Jennifer and she didn’t know!

As for who it is well it could be anyone, it could be someone who attended the party with her brother who knows? Although unlikely as you would think that as there is a photo they would be recognisable (assuming the poi is the perp, they are at least involved)

My theory is a worker/resident or someone local to Mosaic had a fixation on Jennifer and then snapped after her holiday with Rob.

As there is so little evidence in this case for me the compelling facts are that Jennifer only lived at Mosaic for 2 months and then disappeared after a weekend away.

If you play the odds that this was not a random abduction then I think it is somebody intrinsically linked to the Mosaic complex/local area.

I have said before if you could build up a diary of Jennifer’s movements in that period you may find your answer.

It wouldn’t be hard to do just effort.

Use her diary, work calendar, e-mail, parents testimony, credit card receipts etc
Did she make new friends?
Did she meet clients?
Did she eat out? If so where?
We are only talking about 8 weeks or so here.

I feel to find the answers in this any investigator would need to go back to basics and start at the very beginning.

 

[leftcoast]

I agree with the above, esp. Mystery

Heck, it's 18 months out, and I'm not even convinced the POI parked the car at noon. Likely yes, convinced, no.

One thing I am convinced of, is that LE has no idea what time the crime occurred.

Whose to say some schmuck from work didn't knock on Jk's door at say 10:15, under the guise of asking to see a report from work?

or a neighbor complaining about noise the previous weekend, or security wondering where she was over the weekend.

That's the thing I hate about carports, everyone knows when you leave, when you come on, etc. Then, on top of it, we "number" the parking spots to correspond with the condo or apt. number. And we are a super power?

Like Mystery said, I don't think LE has squat, otherwise they would be testing everyone for prints, and DNA, to eliminate family.

I agree with BobbiesANgel that someone who worked at Mosaic, and had an eye on JK, could have been waiting for an opportunity.

Think about it, all those empty condo's, and they would have keys to units.

IF someone says "hi" to us every morning for a month or so, or is the sup., we let our guard down since they 'belong". Is this what happened?

Could this person have followed JK from her prior complex?

What about carpooling, did Jk ever give anyone from work a ride home?

Thing I want to know about, is when Jk would get her mail, and where is the box? Most people drive to the box, leave their car open, get the mail, and get back in.

I find it odd how quiet Mosaic management has been over the past 18 months. No reward, no apology, no hiring of a PI, nothing.

While I realize the return of JK is paramount, the Kesse's should talk to an attorney about the statutes of limitations for taking legal action against Mosaic, and if they have a case.

Let's face it, by adding camera's "after" jk disappeared, not changing the locks, and having a chronic burglary problem, Mosaic isn't exactly doing their part.

IF the Kesse's win, they can use the money to search for JK, and hire a PI.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Only two ways this case will be solved.

A discovery none of us wants.

OR, Some detective, who works this case 100% of the time, for 3 months, and re-interviews everyone, opens a new tipline, examines HOTG photos, and doesn't take "no" for an answer.

Even if the POI is a stranger to JK, I seriously doubt he is a stranger to Mosiac. Somebody must know him, but, maybe just doesn't recognize him via the POI photo.

Time to wear out some shoe leather. Can't wait for DNA or prints, cause we all know, they are a long shot 18 months later.

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[SeriouslySearching]

I still say Equusearch and add in the car's black box for clues.

Researching her itinerary the past months before her disappearance should have already been done. If not, they need to be on that one immediately. This is something the family could do themselves without hiring a PI, IMO. I wonder if they kept everything from Jenn's condo intact? Do they still have the condo? Her computer? Did the company keep her office records? (These are reasons this should have already been done while papertrails are still accessible.)

 

[Beyond Belief]

What information would be expected from the "black box" ?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

BB~

As far as the black box is concerned, it can tell us a few things about the time Jennifer went missing: It records if seat belts were used, which would be an excellent clue as to the timing of her abduction because I doubt the perp would use his while abducting Jenn, it records speed at that very time, an indication he took side streets away from the apartment or could indicate how far he drove if he took the interstate/highway/causeway before he slowed or used the brakes, and some black boxes contain other information useful for other than traffic accidents.

It would be a question I would request from OPD to answer...if they had this black box read at the time they went over her car. If not, why not? Would there be any way to retrieve it from the person who has the vehicle now? If the person or company would cooperate, it would not interfere with the vehicle other than to allow time for the manufacturer or other entity to retrieve this information as it downloads into a specialized system. Not many police departments have the equipment (due to cost) to run this so I feel they did not obtain this information while the car was in their possession.

I believe there are valuable and valid clues in the black box they overlooked. http://carscarscars.blogs.com/index/...boxes_in_.html

 

[Beyond Belief]

That would be interesting.

 

[leftcoast]

SS: The black box is a good idea.

I hope LE checked it out, if feasible.

That is why, if economically possible, that all evidence should be kept until the case is solved.

I realise the Kesse's didn't want that car back, nor the payment, so, I can understand getting rid of such a horrible reminder.

As for the Black box, I thought with cars that it only holds info. related to speed, if seat belts were used, braking power, and if the airbags deployed, and the system only stores the last 10 or 15 seconds before an accident.

It must somehow continue to re-loop, and record over old data.

I don't think that GPS is tied into the system.

However, I could be wrong. Not an expert by any means, and it is worth checking out.

One of these ideas will hit paydirt.

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[SeriouslySearching]

I wondered about the loop and how long the information was held...but I haven't found anything out about that yet. <sigh> Too bad LE didn't check it out immediately.

Maybe this is something LE needs to add to their arsenal tho. The cost for the receiver is only $2,500.00. It could be beneficial in other cases.

 

[leftcoast]

I'm not 100&#37; certain, but, what I have read, I've shared. Of course, I am relying on my memory, and the accuracy of whoever wrote the article. Maybe different makes of cars, have longer loops of data, etc.

Yes, too bad JK didn't have onstar, and some type of GPS tracking, which stores all data from where the car has been driven.

Then again, if this was an "inside" job, which it may just be, the POI may have had prior knowledge and disabled it, or used a different vehicle, to prevent leaving a footprint.

It's amazing how lucky this sob has been.

Cellphone turned off, no on-star or lojack, his face hidden from the posts, and the car not being found for 2 days.

His luck will run out, eventually.

This case just needs the right person, to tear apart the case, and the POI will be having "3 hots", and a "cot", for life.

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[SeriouslySearching]

3 hots and a cot. LOL I guess I never quite heard it put that way before. Yes, this is what we want here...the lucky perp's luck to run out.

 

[philamena]

I have a feeling this case will never be solved. But if it is, I think it will be solved almost by mistake. Meaning, if Jennifer is found, sadly it may be only her remains that are found. I hope and pray I'm wrong.

 

[drumstick]

No one that I know of, that has followed this case, has ever lost hope of finding Jennifer and the scumbags who kidnapped her.

In a perfect world we can choose our destiny, but sadly, the world is not perfect.
I would not choose to have a criminal walk into my life and change my destiny, but unfortunately it happens to thousands of Americans everyday.

If You or Someone You know has any information about Jennifer Kesse's kidnapping from Orlando, FL on January 24, 2006 ... Do the Right thing and call the tipline!

family tipline ~ 1-407-772-2162

thank you

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

I have a feeling this case will never be solved. But if it is, I think it will be solved almost by mistake. Meaning, if Jennifer is found, sadly it may be only her remains that are found. I hope and pray I'm wrong.

This case will be solved.. the reason why is because no one is giving up. Not her family, not her friends, not the countless volunteers and people all over the world who are thinking of Jenn. It's for the love of Jenn and until Jenn is brought home and her family has answers no one is giving up.

 

[UM&AMWfan]

I'm sure you guys saw the Kesses on Greta a few days ago on the 18 month anniversary. Drew Kesse said Jennifer never made it to her car. What???

If the perp drove her car back and parked then he must've taken her in her car so obviously he took her car with her in it, right?

If he used another vehicle there's no way he would touch her car since then he'd just be leaving more evidence for LE plus there would be no need to if he had his own vehicle! There has never been any talk of another vehicle involved has there?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...it is an odd statement from Drew, but I guess he meant alone. She never made it to her car alone. Altho, his wife reiterated it after he said made the comment.

Nice catch! They need to choose their words more carefully.

 

[rd_jfc]

I'm sure you guys saw the Kesses on Greta a few days ago on the 18 month anniversary. Drew Kesse said Jennifer never made it to her car. What???

If the perp drove her car back and parked then he must've taken her in her car so obviously he took her car with her in it, right?

If he used another vehicle there's no way he would touch her car since then he'd just be leaving more evidence for LE plus there would be no need to if he had his own vehicle! There has never been any talk of another vehicle involved has there?

I'm pretty sure all the Kesses said was that they weren't sure that Jennifer made it to her car, which is true. This followed a statement from the interviewer that Jennifer drove away, and the Kesses corrected it.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've quoted somewhere or another the police statement that forensic evidence indicates Jennifer was abducted in or near or car. This indicates to me that forensic evidence from Jennifer consistent with an assault was found in the car, probably near the drivers door.

I also believe the vague statement of DNA evidence was based on this, but it was Jennifer's, not an abductor. People can read what they want into Fox's nearly vaporous statement, but in no way does the statement indicate it is that of someone other than Jennifer, while the police specifically said they found forensic evidence of an assault, but it does imply it is that of Jennifer.

I think a more accurate statement is that it is unknown if Jennifer drove her car out of the Mosaic, but she was probably in it. Whether she did or not, she was incapacitated somewhere, and the only suggestion I have is that she drove somewhere out of her way that morning to attempt to overnight the cell phone on her way to work, and that is where an unexpected random encounter with this suspect could have taken place.

Of course, most think the suspect knew her, it wasn't random, and therefore she was assaulted in her parking lot, but I think almost certainly she would have been attacked in her condo apartment if that were the case.

rd

 

[Beyond Belief]

I'm pretty sure all the Kesses said was that they weren't sure that Jennifer made it to her car, which is true. This followed a statement from the interviewer that Jennifer drove away, and the Kesses corrected it.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've quoted somewhere or another the police statement that forensic evidence indicates Jennifer was abducted in or near or car. This indicates to me that forensic evidence from Jennifer consistent with an assault was found in the car, probably near the drivers door.

I also believe the vague statement of DNA evidence was based on this, but it was Jennifer's, not an abductor. People can read what they want into Fox's nearly vaporous statement, but in no way does the statement indicate it is that of someone other than Jennifer, while the police specifically said they found forensic evidence of an assault, but it does imply it is that of Jennifer.

I think a more accurate statement is that it is unknown if Jennifer drove her car out of the Mosaic, but she was probably in it. Whether she did or not, she was incapacitated somewhere, and the only suggestion I have is that she drove somewhere out of her way that morning to attempt to overnight the cell phone on her way to work, and that is where an unexpected random encounter with this suspect could have taken place.

Of course, most think the suspect knew her, it wasn't random, and therefore she was assaulted in her parking lot, but I think almost certainly she would have been attacked in her condo apartment if that were the case.

rd

Hi rd, the comment was exactly that "they weren't even sure if she made it to her car".

 

[SeriouslySearching]

DREW KESSE: We are not sure if she made it to the car.

JOYCE KESSE: We are not sure if she actually made it to her car.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290725,00.html

Now I am curious as to what this means. If she did not actually make it to her car...how, when, and why did the perp take the car?

 

[docwho3]

DREW KESSE: We are not sure if she made it to the car.

JOYCE KESSE: We are not sure if she actually made it to her car.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290725,00.html

Now I am curious as to what this means. If she did not actually make it to her car...how, when, and why did the perp take the car?

The statement does not have to mean that she was never in the car but only that she did not make it to the car on her own free will. It could mean that they think she might have been attacked before getting to her car and than perhaps she was transported in her car to some other location.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Well, it is what I thought to when I read what UM wrote...but if you stop and think about it for a second...maybe not. Maybe the Kesses' were told something else we aren't aware of.