FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #6

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that's nothing new really. people have often pointed out that if the abduction was not committed in or near the car, it would be awfully weird for the kidnapper to have gotten anywhere near it let alone drive it around. especially since he must've known it was gonna be eventually found.

If the crime wasn't committed near the car or in the car, the only reason I can think of for him driving it is to make it appear as if JK had left her home for the day which would mean the crime was committed in her complex somewhere and/or by somebody connected to Mosaic.

rd is probably right when he mentioned she may have been driving around looking for a place to ship that phone and met her fate there. it's been brought up before but that is a very real possibility. especially since the phone was never found. She had her friend's phone on her. It was never sent to him and it wasn't found in her apartment.
 
If the Kesses' are aware she did not make it to her car...as they stated...then it would mean she was either still on the property or taken out by another vehicle. Pointing to someone at Mosaic like you said...but if she never made it to the car...wouldn't it have just been easier to overpower her back into her apartment unless she was closer to his vehicle, in which case he would have taken her out that way.

I have always thought the cells must be in her purse with her wallet etc. and it would be logical for him to get rid of them...but I can't explain why they never found the briefcase. Why would he care about her briefcase?! There would be nothing of interest to him there and he would have left it in her car or apartment.
 
like doc said they meant make it to her car of her own free will.

the Kesse's have said several times they believe she got ready for work, closed the door to her apartment, and then the mystery begins.

you're probably right she had the cell phones in her purse.
 
The police have referred to a package that contained the cell phone that she may have been trying to overnight. I don't know if they have an indication from her condo that she put the cell phone in a package or if that is an assumption or even just a phrase to indicate they believe she was preparing to ship the cell phone overnight as requested.

If they don't have specific information from her condo, which is questionable whether they have any information from her condo, then it is a very poor choice of words to say package instead of cell phone assumed to be in some shipping package.

But the word package, used for whatever reason, implies some size, and probably placed in briefcase instead of purse. If just cell phone itself, could be in purse, but she would have to go to an overnight ship capable facility such as Fedex Kinkos to get an appropriate package, there's that word again, to have them ship overnight.

rd
 
I think LE has been mistaken or misused a lot of words and info in this case...so whatever they mentioned in reference to a "package" has never held water with me, so to speak. I have always contended she would not have a "package" until she got to a station to buy one where she would have obviously mailed it right then. I realize it is only my opinion on that.

OK now I am going to ramble a bit off the top of my head: The briefcase is a questionable item. I think because of the nature of her business...it must have been kept in her apt. (I changed my mind on that...because at first, I thought she might have kept it in her car until I just realized it probably had other people's vital info in it...such as banking, personal, etc.) Still..is it further proof she was never in her car since it is missing, too? I doubt seriously a perp would have tossed it if she was already in her car because it didn't contain anything he would be interested in..unless she was carrying it out of the apt. and had it with her. If she had been abducted and put in her car...it would have still been in the car...wouldn't it?!
 
not necessarily at all

perhaps she was apprehended right at the door of the car and the kidnapper did whatever and grabbed her stuff, threw it in the car, and drove off. why leave evidence? suppose she was near her car at the post office or fedex kinko's? If he leaves the stuff there, then evidence can be found and the probable location of the crime. Perhaps he touched it in some way and just to be safe, grabbed it when he left or tossed in a trash can. I would If I were in the position of that suspect. leave no trace of the woman, the stuff she's carrying is part of her, her everyday stuff that she carries like her purse and briefcase counts. Get rid of all of it, all the stuff the criminal may have touched in the car (as long as it's easy to carry). Maybe some forensic evidence could be found on the briefcase, a hair, accidental partial fingerprint, whatever.

Just trying to get in the suspect's mind.
 
hey rd you've been at the scene where the car was found....

check the link, see those pictures? Question...

Do you find it odd the suspect didn't go down that long walkway? It says it goes down to Americana blvd. Instead the suspect went around the pool, exposing himself, all the way around towards the same direction as if he had gone down that narrow walkway. That would've been a much better way to go with less chance of being detected, no?

everyone else feel free to chime in too.

http://flaresident.com/jk1/Huntington on the Green0007.html
 
hey rd you've been at the scene where the car was found....

check the link, see those pictures? Question...

Do you find it odd the suspect didn't go down that long walkway? It says it goes down to Americana blvd. Instead the suspect went around the pool, exposing himself, all the way around towards the same direction as if he had gone down that narrow walkway. That would've been a much better way to go with less chance of being detected, no?

everyone else feel free to chime in too.

http://flaresident.com/jk1/Huntington on the Green0007.html

Your thoughts about the topic seem intersting. Explain more please?
 
That is very curious, En! Why wouldn't you go the "road less traveled" instead of walking in front of the other apartments with windows facing you and the pool cams...not to mention other vehicles that could have been coming into the parking area at any time? Interesting. Hmmm...you wouldn't if you had a car parked right out of view of the cams.
 
Thanks for the link. They are excellent pictures.

I often wondered if his car was parked just along from the gate where he was photographed.
He may have parked there early in the morning and walked to Mosaic to carry out the abduction.
The dog then tracked that scent on the Thursday..
He dropped Jennifer's car at HOTG to pick up his own car. The bonus for him was he gained two days start on the investigators.

I think one of my questions has been answered but it's only guesswork.
He didn't walk away from HOTG, he drove away.
 
docwho3,

well where the guy parked the car is right in front of that walkway (it was one spot over to the right of the jeep in the pictures) so there's no way he could've missed it.


-it's possible he didn't know it leads all the way down to Americana. Of course this would indicate he doesn't know the HOTG condo area well.

-perhaps he saw people on in that direction a ways away. He might not have wanted to walk by anybody if he could help it.

-maybe he had a car parked at the spaces near the pool (but out of view of the camera)

since he went around the pool and towards the corner of Texas and Americana, he was going the same way as that walkway would've taken him. However we don't know how far he went out of view from the camera, maybe he crossed Texas Street at some point and didn't go all the way down to Americana.

It's just weird that the suspect would take the way that exposed himself so much, around the pool where the cameras picked him up and also that's where the entrance to the HOTG condos is!

One of the mysteries surrounding this case is why the car was dropped off there.

Yes SeriouslySearching interesting theory! Perhaps he went that way cause his car was in one of those spaces near the pool but out of view of the cameras. hmmm...
 
Thanks for the link. They are excellent pictures.

I often wondered if his car was parked just along from the gate where he was photographed.
He may have parked there early in the morning and walked to Mosaic to carry out the abduction.
The dog then tracked that scent on the Thursday..
He dropped Jennifer's car at HOTG to pick up his own car. The bonus for him was he gained two days start on the investigators.

I think one of my questions has been answered but it's only guesswork.
He didn't walk away from HOTG, he drove away.


yeah that's a good website with excellent pictures of the HOTG place and the road down leading to Mosaic

Myserty you might be right, it makes sense. I believe that was also CatLynette's theory in one her posts way back when....that the guy dropped the car off there and had his own car parked in some other part of HOTG.

So then why is he dressed like a cop or a rent-a-cop cause the pictures rd blew up are very clear to me.
 
Excellent pictures of where Jennifer's car was parked, Enrique. Thanks for the link.

In my opinion, the spot by the sidewalk going back between the building and pool is no more secluded or open than a spot down along Texas where he walked.

If you look at the other pictures in the link, you'll see a high bank above the cars parked along Texas, like the one in the POI photos. I do not think any of this is based on concern of a car being visible or not from the street while parked.

I also do not believe he would park down the way he walked but park just past the pool and walk back around the pool to it. The theory would be disassociatiing Jennifer's car with his car, but at the considerable exposure of a long walk around the main entrance to the apartment complex off of Texas. That just isn't going to happen.

He would park close to his car, slip over to it, and get out of there.

As to the sidewalk, the very first thought when I saw where he parked Jennifer's car, was he took a short cut to the Mosaic my butt. That would be the most direct route to Americana to walk down to the Mosaic but he walked away from the direction of the Mosaic around the pool and toward the corner of Texas and Americana. There is a large sheltered bus stop catty corner from the HOTG. Or he may very well have lived in one of the apartments down Texas or not far down Americana toward Orange Blossom.

Quit frankly, it is inconceivable that this guy dressed the way he is walked down Americana and Conroy. I know people put a great faith in the dog scenting but I've posted my thoughts on that already. I can't even believe he got on a bus dressed that way, and that was my original belief for the choice of this location to park Jennifer's car.

The parking off of Conroy close to the Mosaic is so plentiful and convenient, and anonymous, it is almost a certainty to me that if he planned to park nearby and walk to the Mosaic, that is where he'd park. Only a couple of blocks away.

My thoughts are that he could be dressed as bike patrol as a disguised imposter, and if so, it's practically perfect, too perfect as you've said.

So was he riding a bike? Is he going back to a bike? Is he dressed to go to work, but hasn't gone on duty yet? Had he gone off duty, and would be going home, leaving the bike at work?

For that matter, I don't know if there are any official bike patrol deputies in Orange County that wear that bike patrol uniform, but local LE types would know. It could be a totally professional level imposter get up, but if it was, there would be a huge remiss if this info wasn't publiciized to look for an imposter like this.

I have previously noted that when I looked up bike patrol uniforms that this matched up to a regulation Air Force bike patrol uniform whose uniform regulations popped up pretty prominently in the search. I don't suggest this guy is military, although some said they were immediately struck with his military bearing in looking at the photos, but it may be a uniform h was able to acquire along with a tie down holstered taser.

But no way this guy is going to march on past the pool and down Americana and Conroy to the Mosaic.

The pictures point out several helpful things. Note on page 1 of the photos, in upper left, is a shot through the gate up to the camera, in other words, a reverse of the POI photo. You can see the wooden vented opening in the roof gable, and that's where the camera is. He didn't know it was there, and neither would I if I wasn't looking for it when I got there.

Look at the picture in the lower right of page one, and you can see that there is a matching vented opening with a camera on the other end pointing at the other gate and directly at where he parked Jennifer's car.

Since no photos from that camera released, it may not have been working, but if it had been I would expect there would have been closeups of him parking Jennifer's car if what appears to be a matching camera on the other end was working.

Also I would really like to know how the seconds on the POI photos could be so wrong, :28 on the first two and :29 on the third, yet the hour claimed to be correct but one hour off.

I don't expect the police to reveal inciminating information, but there should be an explanation for that provided by someone, along with a confirmation or correction of the suspect's height in the official information.

rd
 
Yes, a wonderful link to some outstanding photo's.

The photo's show just how tall that fence really is, and how anyone would look short next to it.

Mystery: I agree that the POI parking his transportation before going to Mosiac, and under the cover of darkness is a possibility.


RD: I also had questions about the seconds on the photo's, and it is basically a simple timing thing.

The camera takes photo's every second, and there is a running clock incorporated into the system. To illustrate this, go to the Orlando Sentinel site, and hit on their enhanced photo's of the POI parking the car. AS the POI walks past the poolgate, just hit "pause" on the link, and you will see that it depends upon "when" you hit "pause" as to the seconds.

In other words, when the photo's were made, they were probably made using that tape, and made at different times. One tech. stopped the tape at a fraction of a second before the clock read .28, while the other tech. had waited until it read .28. The next photo comes up "before" the clock turns to the next second, so, this is probably the most likely explanation. IF the photo's coincided with the second clock, and the next photo came up at exactly 28 seconds, then there would be a problem. But, this is not the case. The "next" photo comes up before the second hand hits .28, probably at 27.8 or 27.9, so, it all depends on when the tape was stopped, and the photo was made. imo

As for the "shortcut" of the POI. LE is talking about a shortcut at the property of Mosaic, according to my understanding. I think LE said the POI passed the main entrance, and the long walk, and simply hopped a fence, that surrouds Mosaic. I've never been there, but, have seen the long driveway in photo's, and I think the POI wanted to avoid the guardbooth, and used a shortcut of jumping a fence, to save time and walking distance.

Hence, the term "shortcut" doesn't apply to HOTG, but when the POI arrived at Mosaic.

Given this, it is obvious to me, that the POI is much more familiar with Mosaic, than HOTG, especially since he didn't know about CCTV.

Whether one trusts the dogs or not, I find it quite odd of all the places to go, the dog chose to take a route to Mosaic, avoid the driveway, and lead the handler to a fence, and then the dog was able to pick up the scent that led to Jk's parking lot area. It seems more than a coincidence.

Also, I wouldn't rule out the POI parking his car at HOTG, before the crime, and coming back to retrieve it. I'll admit, the other scenario is more likely.

But, if it was your plan, you wouldn't want to park right next to your car, since, you wouldn't want someone to see you exit one car, and get into another. Also, any perp. knows that LE is going to ask witnesses if they remember any foreign cars in the area, and parking JK's car next to your own car, would not be a good idea. imo

RD brought up a good point. Where are the photo's from the other camera on the opposite side of the poolhouse roof? Isn't there a camera there pointing at the other poolgate?

Also, I agree that walking through the parking lot is just as safe, if not safer than cutting through HOTG. first of all, how do we know that he even knew that walkway went the distance of HOTG? Plus, there is a chance of running into someone on foot. I'd much rather have a car pass by, than a person on foot who would get a much better look.

Plus, we havn't seen the poolgate photo's before the POI walked past them. Did the POI drive past the poolgate on the way to parking, or did the POI enter HOTG from Texas?

IT sure did seem like the POI knew where he was going when he exited that car. Makes me wonder if he drove in past the poolgate or not.

Some excellent points.

I think we "all" need to keep the options open on this one. I think it is premature to conclude the dog is wrong, or that the POI didn't park at HOTG before the crime, or that the POI wasn't wearing a LE uniform.

I think all of these are feasible, and good ideas.

left
 
well, that's for you guys to keep the options open, I call 'em like I see 'em. :)

I was referring to one or more posts here which said that the POI took a shortcut out of the HOTG to the Mosaic, not the shortcut through the fence at the Mosaic.

As for the scenting dog, if they hadn't had prior and even current activity at Jennifer's condo at the time, and as I've posted previously, had approached HOTG from the north on Texas and *then* let the scenting dog lead them to the Mosaic, I would give some credence to it.

As it is, he/she just returned down the road to where all the action was. The "shortcut" though the Mosaic fence is just a beeline to the apartment, which is where he/she would detect the action taking place.

I think even the concept of sniffing a seat occupied by the POI in a car driven by Jennifer for a lengthy period of time, and then saying the dog picked up the POI scent only from the seat and followed it down the road back to the other cops and undoubtedly recent dog activity at the Mosaic is ludicrous. I don't care if I'm the only one that thinks that, the whole thing is a farce. I haven't seen anything else that was right in this case, so don't know why this should be an exception.

left, other prior posts said the camera took a picture every three seconds. That would be critical if it's one second or three seconds. Even if every second, how does a camera get triggered by a clock changing seconds but put the same second on two pictures? Again, I don't buy it.

But it's a question that can, and should, be answered.

rd
 
RD

It's simple, the running clock, and the camera have nothing in common.

The camera is set up to take a photo every second. Attached to the photo is a tape with a running clock on it. So, in essence, the clock and photo are independent of each other.

I was told, and it you do a re-enactment, it appears that a one second interval is appropriate. If it is three seconds, then, we have a problem.

To test this theory, it is quite simple. Go to HOTG with a stopwatch, start walking at the spot where JK's car was parked, and time how long it takes to get to the gate. Then, check this out with the LE tape, and it should be accurate, within 5 or 10 seconds, depending upon our gait.

I actually figured it out mathematically.

The average person walks 3 miles per hour.

So, it takes 20 minutes, or 1200 seconds, to walk one mile. At that rate, it means the average person covers 4.4 feet per second.

Now, if you look at the POI photo, it appears that he is about 4 or 5 feet apart in each photo.

I think the one second interval thing came from Drew Kesse, and I believe it is accurate.

I don't think there is a mistake, or conspiracy, connected to the seconds hand.

However, unless I personally inspect the camera's at HOTG, I will not be convinced that the hour is correct.

I agree, it is most likely, but, there are just too many questions that I have, such as why is it so dark, why are the headlights so visible in the day, and why weren't the clocks adjusted for the fall. PLease, how long does it take to change the time on a clock?

AS to the other theories, when someone is so convinced they are right about their theory, they have a tendency to discount other evidence, and only see evidence which backs up their own theory.

For example, someone could accuse me of being "tunnell visioned" related to the height of the POI.

However, this is not true. While I'm 90% confident the Poi is probably 5"8-6ft tall, I would be a fool to say I'm 100% confident, since, I have never been to HOTG, and more importantly, I have not performed any tests at HOTG, nor have I had an independent person check my "theory".

The same can be said of all theories in this case.

Whether the POI parked at HOTG before the crime, whether the POI is wearing a LE uniform, or if JK was abducted at her car, are "all" theories, which have yet to be proven.

There are very few facts in this case. They are as follows:

JK last spoke with RA at 10pm
No cell activity after 10pm
Jk didn't show up for work the following day.
JK's phone went to voicemail by 9am.

These, and a few other's, are facts. The rest, are working theories, some stronger than others.

left
 
Since we are keeping our options open, I am going to toss back in the uniform of the kitchen worker/chef. I say where the you have a "taser" holder is actually his pants with a short bistro apron hanging in front, his hat is a rolled knit one, the pants, shoes, and white T-shirt are standard attire. Making it pretty normal for people to see him getting into another car anywhere. It would not draw the attention as would a fake cops gear or a biker with no bike! What he has in his hand is his knives. Seems pretty simple to me really. LOL
 
Since we are keeping our options open, I am going to toss back in the uniform of the kitchen worker/chef. I say where the you have a "taser" holder is actually his pants with a short bistro apron hanging in front, his hat is a rolled knit one, the pants, shoes, and white T-shirt are standard attire. Making it pretty normal for people to see him getting into another car anywhere. It would not draw the attention as would a fake cops gear or a biker with no bike! What he has in his hand is his knives. Seems pretty simple to me really. LOL

Nothing wrong with the chef theory, it may be true.

AS for the knit cat, I'm kind of leaning that way now.

Thing is, a person dressed like a cop, or security, walking down Americana during the noon hour just seems like a duck out of water.

Wouldn't someone have noticed him.

But, if you incorporater Cat and Mystery's theory, then it is more plausible, since, he was getting into a car, or on a bike, or motorcyle parked down past the gate at HOTG.

As a matter of fact, what about this theory.

The POI "first", does a drive-by of JK's condo, and her assigned spot, to ascertain that she is back from her trip.

Then, he decides to go to HOTG, park, and commit the crime. This, one step, would eliminate the risk of walking from HOTG, hopping a fence, and finding out the target was not home.

AS for the chef, SS, why would a chef walk down the street with knives?

Don't they keep the knives at work? or were you being funny?

left
 
Chefs usually don't keep their personal knives at work as they are quite expensive to acquire. They keep them in a rolled canvas cloth (knife sheath) and take them home until they move up to a briefcase type. Not to mention, they use them at home.
 
Ok, left, I did some searching, and you were the source of a picture every three seconds that you thought was said.

Looking at info on surveillance video systems, the surveillance camera can be set to time lapse mode which takes one to three fields per second depending on setting of the video.

Assuming something like a 72H setting at 2 fields per second, that is what the time stamp indicated, so my question answered there.

rd
 
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