GUILTY FL - Jordan Davis, 17, shot to death, Satellite Beach, 23 Nov 2012 #4

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Surely you must know there are various degrees of intoxication. He was probably functionally drunk. The alcohol affected his rage.

And he was only a few feet from the car.

 

[Chelly]

How long? I think max 2 full days.

Probably. Are you counting today as Day 1?

 

[popsicle]

13, 14, 15, 16 alt.

 

[MeeBee]

13, 14, 15, and 16 are alternates.

 

[Sherp]

Surely you must know there are various degrees of intoxication. He was probably functionally drunk. The alcohol affected his rage.

Not to derail the thread, but what is functionally drunk? Alcohol may help fuel rage but I don't think it help aiming a gun and hitting a target multiple times. Dunn looks like he has a low emotional content to me.

 

[Chelly]

Looks like we are on Verdict Watch.

 

[popsicle]

Rachel Leitão ‏@RachelLeitao 51s
Alternate jurors are 13 - 16. Gathering stuff from jury room, coming out for more instructions. #dunntrial pic.twitter.com/65Ave32IhN

 

[zqtpie]

What is the penalty for manslaughter? 2nd degree?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Probably. Are you counting today as Day 1?

You think they are going to really get into it today? IT is nearly 5 pm

 

[turaj]

is there a way to get an email or text when verdict is in?

 

[MeeBee]

I am not convinced that someone fat, slow and intoxicated can hit a moving SUV 9 or 10 times. Drunks can't even walk a line straight let alone hit a moving target.
Corey is doing an excellent job on the closing.
Clearly, the jury saw the "kids" up front and personal and know they are not "boys". I doubt they will appreciate the state characterizing the young men that way.

I sincerely doubt they will care that much. I'm sure they're more focused on the evidence. It seems you are far more preoccupied with pedantry than the evidence. Did you watch the trial?

ETA: besides, they looked like kids to me. Especially Leland, who held his dying friend in his arms.

 

[Chelly]

Not to derail the thread, but what is functionally drunk? Alcohol may help fuel rage but not aim when firing a gun. IMO

Won't get into a discussion on this, but I am sure you have heard of functional alcoholics.

 

[magpie]

http://courtsandsportsradio.com/201...ence-in-michael-dunn-jordan-davis-case-again/

Someone earlier in the thread was asking about some background on Dunn and/or the case... The above link has tons of evidence released from the Florida courts about this case. I'm going to bury myself in it because I'm so behind on this case.

I wonder how long the jury will deliberate?

 

[MeeBee]

I think it'll be late tomorrow.

 

[popsicle]

Stephanie Brown ‏@NewsAndNom 3m
Technically, we're not QUITE on verdict watch for #DunnTrial yet, but we're as close as you get. Jury choosing foreperson, then it's on!

 

[Coldpizza]

Hi all, I opened up a verdict watch thread for you. Please move on over as this one will be locking soon!

FL - Michael Dunn on Trial for shooting death of Jordan Davis, 17#5 Verdict Watch - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

ISn't it weird to release Alternates before They are done deliberating??? What if one of them get sick?

 

[Chelly]

You think they are going to really get into it today? IT is nearly 5 pm

No, that's why I was asking if you were counting today as Day 1. If tomorrow is counted as Day 1 and Friday as Day 2, I'd say verdict Friday.

anyone know if judge will allow the jury to remain into the night?

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I believe the way the law, or the way the jury instructions are worded need to be changed.
I know nobody here agrees, but I believe MD could be declared not guilty the way the law reads.
The "no retreat necessary" clause gives the jurors zero concrete evidence as to the thoughts (no action) of the defendant.

Someone here mentioned how "civil" the discussions are on this thread. That is pretty easy to do when everyone agrees. I have been reluctant to voice my opinion, because I know how nasty it can be when 99% of the thread believes one way.
I wish that weren't true.

 

[magpie]

is there a way to get an email or text when verdict is in?

Maybe through one of the online newspapers? Or Twitter? Not sure as I am Twitter and Smartphone challenged! :facepalm: