Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #10

[Gemmie]

Sunrise was at 6:53 am Feb 26th in Orlando, so first light was about ~6:23. I think by virtue of the fact that he wasn't spotted on the condo complex cameras carrying her, we have to assume he was able to do so discreetly/in darkness.

Good point about sunrise times. Either that or no cameras pointed in the direction of the front door and car which is entirely possible.

 

[ttjo]

Sunrise was at 6:53 am Feb 26th in Orlando, so first light was about ~6:23. I think by virtue of the fact that he wasn't spotted on the condo complex cameras carrying her, we have to assume he was able to do so discreetly/in darkness.

I think so too, the way their apartment faces , there is really only one unit that could have captured anything definite ( if they had a ring) the other units facing the parking lot, would have had a more limited view.

 

[Gemmie]

LE was aware of the complex parking lot footage on 2024-02-28 and was talking to JS just before they arrested SS. I wonder why they chose the next day to inform her they believed MS was dead? Maybe they thought after SS was arrested JS might reveal something? I wonder why that conversation was not described in any incident reports in the doc dump? Maybe they didn't consider it an interview? I also wonder if LE believed MS was dead based off of the initial security gate footage that showed SS leaving the parking lot (found on the 27th) or if they weren't confident until the footage at the trash compactor (found on the 28th).

I woke up thinking about when they told JS on the 29th that they believed Maddie was dead. What I'm wondering is what her reaction was to that news. And I don't mean that her child is deceased, but because of HOW they knew that. (saw Maddie looking deceased in SS's car). Even if that's not in the data dump because it wasn't a true interview (I don't know if that's the reason, it's a guess as to why), you'd think noting her reaction to the news would be considered important enough to include. Sure, a mother is likely to be really upset at the news, but what about the news of who they think did it? Her lover and Maddie's "step-father" of 7 or so years. And whatever that reaction was, was it believable in LE's minds? Or did it look and feel like an act?

JMO

 

[ttjo]

I woke up thinking about when they told JS on the 29th that they believed Maddie was dead. What I'm wondering is what her reaction was to that news. And I don't mean that her child is deceased, but because of HOW they knew that. (saw Maddie looking deceased in SS's car). Even if that's not in the data dump because it wasn't a true interview (I don't know if that's the reason, it's a guess as to why), you'd think noting her reaction to the news would be considered important enough to include. Sure, a mother is likely to be really upset at the news, but what about the news of who they think did it? Her lover and Maddie's "step-father" of 7 or so years. And whatever that reaction was, was it believable in LE's minds? Or did it look and feel like an act?

JMO

I remember them saying "she reacted just as any mother would, hearing that news", I took that to mean a natural reaction and believable. Does anyone else remember hearing that? I doubt I can find a source. As for her questioning who may have killed her? or how they knew? We have never heard a word.

 

[Pruddennce]

I remember them saying "she reacted just as any mother would, hearing that news", I took that to mean a natural reaction and believable. Does anyone else remember hearing that? I doubt I can find a source. As for her questioning who may have killed her? or how they knew? We have never heard a word.

I remember that from Chief Holland during the joint presser believing that Madeline was deceased:

Sheriff Mina: " detectives from the CMI Police Department met with madeline's mother and they had to tell her the very devastating news that although we have not found meline uh we are now confident that she is dead so our efforts will be focused on recovering..."

Chief Holland:

yeah so obviously detectives have spoken um to her mother and you know as you can imagine um the reaction that any parent would have

 

[ttjo]

I remember that from Chief Holland during the joint presser believing that Madeline was deceased:

Sheriff Mina: " detectives from the CMI Police Department met with madeline's mother and they had to tell her the very devastating news that although we have not found meline uh we are now confident that she is dead so our efforts will be focused on recovering..."

Chief Holland:

yeah so obviously detectives have spoken um to her mother and you know as you can imagine um the reaction that any parent would have

Thanks for finding that, I knew I heard it somewhere.

 

[Pruddennce]

Thanks for finding that, I knew I heard it somewhere.

your welcome!

 

[Mack the Knife]

I woke up thinking about when they told JS on the 29th that they believed Maddie was dead. What I'm wondering is what her reaction was to that news. And I don't mean that her child is deceased, but because of HOW they knew that. (saw Maddie looking deceased in SS's car). Even if that's not in the data dump because it wasn't a true interview (I don't know if that's the reason, it's a guess as to why), you'd think noting her reaction to the news would be considered important enough to include. Sure, a mother is likely to be really upset at the news, but what about the news of who they think did it? Her lover and Maddie's "step-father" of 7 or so years. And whatever that reaction was, was it believable in LE's minds? Or did it look and feel like an act?

JMO

As well, at this point (the 29th), SS had already been arrested. SS and JS were both at the Sheriff’s office for the scheduled press conference on the 28th. I don’t know if the original plan was to have either one of them appearing at the conference, but they reinterviewed both at that time and during the course of interviews with SS they decided to seek an arrest warrant for SS. Then the press conference was held at 15:33, then later that evening SS was arrested.

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[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I feel sort of inconclusive on JS still. Since LE has not named JS has a POI or suspect or anything, and the only charges right now are against SS, the information that is public is obviously directed at the investigation of SS, so I don't feel like we know all that much about JS, really. I think I'm more skeptical of statement and body language analysis than the general consensus of WS users, so certain things that have been red flags for a lot of folks with JS ("we" dropped her off, referring to MS in the past tense, etc.), haven't bothered me as much. I'm leaning toward, right now, there is no significant evidence (known or unknown) that JS was criminally involved in the murder of MS or the attempted cover up.

I feel a bit more confident about my general theory of the case. That is built primarily on the big doc dump because that is what I read most recently and there is a lot in there, less so on the early interviews and press conferences which I haven't watched since they happened, some general absorption of what has been shared here, and not at all on other videos/reporting (like from Court TV or Gray Hughes) because I just don't like watching videos.

Pure speculation alert...
My leading hypothesis: I actually don't think SS is a pedophile. From what we know or have heard about his other preferences and habits, I think he is more of a generic deviant--I don't want to go too deep into this area because it's more just a feeling I have, but there is a path wherein people addicted to p-rnography get numb to "normal" stuff and seek things that are increasingly extreme and end up with CSAM, and I think something similar may be the case for SS. That was more than I wanted to say on that but I think it's relevant because I don't think that MS was going to age out of SS's preferences, as could happen when a pedophile's victim goes through puberty.

I don't think MS told anyone about her abuse. It's not unusual for victims of CSA to not tell anyone or to care for their abusers, which it seems like she did. I couldn't guess how she thought about it or internalized it, but to me it seems like no one in her life had any inkling. Maybe JS had an inkling, I don't know. Maybe if she didn't, she should have. I don't think MS told her, and I definitely don't think SS thought JS knew.

In this hypothesis, SS was at a lot of points lucky and a lot of points brazen. I think he intended to assault/abuse MS on the first night he was back in town, and because he hadn't been around as much in the prior few months,I d something somehow was different and went wrong--maybe MS pushed back--and he regained "control" of the situation by killing her. He then scrambled for how to cover it up, and landed on her going missing some time after he drops her off at school, which included the absurd idea of putting her body in the front seat of his car.

I don't think he ever really assembled a full plan of what he was going to do because he was probably freaking out. I don't think he's some cold-blooded killer, I think he's a coward and killed her out of cowardice. And finally, his luck ran out and his brazen moves caught up to him because he was repeatedly caught on camera moving a dead body, his story was easily falsified, and he gave police consent to search a device he kept CSAM on.

For the JS aspect of this hypothesis, her knowing or being involved just doesn't fit.

Firstly, thank you for this. I have tried and failed to say what you have said many times.
And the bolded: I feel like the arrival of SS was either the reason MS had been at Grandma's recently or a complete surprise at the apartment. Both could fit.

 

[DoctorRose]

I agree with most of your well thought out theory. However, not to be nitpicky, but if someone is abusing a child, he/she is a pedophile, period. Regardless of how he ended up on that track. Maybe he didn’t start out as a pedophile, but once he started getting pleasure from seeing/abusing the body of a child, he certainly became one.

Agreed. Imo The post you replied to should read that they don’t think he’s “only” a pedophile.